Nice, now where is zdat link sending me to? -patch note is not

1st

Double clicking your ship now opens a separate cargo window.

THANK YOU!!

Only remaining suggestion is that your inventory button always open your item hanger when you're docked by default - not your ship cargohold if that happens to be that last thing you had open. When people are docked and click inventory they are looking for their item hanger, not the cargohold which is easily accessible via double-clicking the ship.

The one who's first should get a wish granted so a link to the patch notes has been added.

It was working this way before patch, so dont say thanks that fast :P

After double clicking try use alt+c and you get another cargohold window! Stupid, isnt't it?



I am still disappointed that when i open cargohold (alt+c), close it - then change a ship and again open cargohold (alt+c) - what do i see? (cargohold of first ship used in station). I don't mention here how often i did undock without ammo doubleclicking on ship opens correct cargohold...

UI still does not change to the active ship cargo hold, I mean how hard is to fix that one?

A bit disappointed by the contents of the Nex store. Was expecting the really nice ones in particular this :

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/newoutfits5.jpg/

When (and if) will this be added and will it be through Nex or through loot? And if loot, has this been activated yet. I don't remember exactly where I saw clothes being from loot but the dev blog about clothing doesn't mention that anymore and Im pretty certain it was there

I wish this could be fixed, as i mentioned earlier - it happen when using shortcuts..

Or give us the option to put SHIP HANGER and ITEMS HANGER windows in the side panel like it was.

You still have it, you can turn it on in Options / General Settings tab / Merge "Items" and "Ships" into station panel

Minmatar finally look good, thanks ccp

You still have it, you can turn it on in Options / General Settings tab / Merge "Items" and "Ships" into station panel

I am baffled by all of these people claiming that the old UI was user-friendly and click-efficient. It wasn't. It was just the first UI you became accustomed to.

Patching flawlessly so far... I like most of the Minmatar v3 models, especially Core Complexion ships! The Broadsword is simply beautiful

All in all, good patch from what I see so far.

Massive, massive FPS dropping after the latest patch. I had nearly 50-60 in the space before, now I have 10 or less. FPS also hugely dtopped in the station as well. I can't do anything at this point.

There is clearly a serious problem with the patch.

Minmatar finally look good, thanks ccp

Are You Joking ?

A "few" pages about that UnifiedCraptory in Forums .... weeks went by, 100's of suggestions, feedback etc....

and ??? nothing ?


Listening to memberbase ? nahh thats too silly

Corphangar Icon and Tabs ? no
Shiphangar Icon ? no
stupid "my filter" and "shiphangar" still or even again expanded to max in that ****** tree... yes

I dont see any change besides that useless star icon in corphangar sections ^^


forget it

and btw the drake model is pretty uncool now

especially the fleet tempy ^^

no time left to do the wingtips ? lazyness ?


well ehh just do the usual wings on.... ^^

LOL-¦

this shipmodel was in game for ... years , then a simple patch of boredom poof gone

stop downgrading eve and your own performance as gaming company

its just LOL now

As long as you can actually see them: http://images.eve-syndicate.net/sabre.jpg

Well it may be the one we got used to but it is was more efficient and you can not claim it wasn't. How can you when anything you want to do now requires more actions to accomplish? Shift click to open this window, shift click to open this one. More actions to do the same tasks you used to be able to do is less efficient. At least in the world I live in it is.

This new one may be better for the pos guys, but I can't truly say it is or isn't but for everyday use in stations it sucks.

Just don't try to use a noctis... the framerate drops to about 1fps when you open a wreck ...

I am baffled by all of these people claiming that the old UI was user-friendly and click-efficient.

No real improvements on the crappy inventory.

I have mentioned this before, but posting again in the vain hope that you take a bit of notice:

The way to fix most of the issues is REALLY REALLY simple:


1. Bring back the buttons for Ships, Items, Corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position.

2. Bring back the right click options on ships for opening drone bay, cargo bay, ore hold, ship maintenance bay, fuel bay, corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. It is REALLY not a bad thing to have right click options that improve functionality. Remove the redundant ones, like undock etc.

3. When in space, make the cargo icon open the cargo bay only (Cargo icon = cargo bay << simple). Make this open in a separate window with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. If we want the inventory, we can use the icon in the Neocom, thatGÇÖs what it is for (Inventory icon = inventory << again simple)

4. Give the option to hide the ISK value. It takes up space and is a gimmick that is only used rarely. Better still provide a button that will calculate this amount if needed.

5. Reduce the size of the volume bar in containers back to what it used to be, it is too big and takes up space.


These are very simple fixes, which would go a long way to reducing the disgust and contempt people have for CCP at the moment, I cannot believe that they would be difficult to implement. So, please put your egoGÇÖs away and just do it.



Who the hell came up with this primary and secondary window idea ? For the love of God please wise up and just do what is necessary to make this somewhere near useable and not come up with these half assed ideas.

A bit disappointed by the contents of the Nex store. Was expecting the really nice ones in particular this :

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/newoutfits5.jpg/

When (and if) will this be added and will it be through Nex or through loot? And if loot, has this been activated yet. I don't remember exactly where I saw clothes being from loot but the dev blog about clothing doesn't mention that anymore and Im pretty certain it was there

Are You Joking ?

A "few" pages about that UnifiedCraptory in Forums .... weeks went by, 100's of suggestions, feedback etc....

and ??? nothing ?


Listening to memberbase ? nahh thats too silly

Corphangar Icon and Tabs ? no
Shiphangar Icon ? no
stupid "my filter" and "shiphangar" still or even again expanded to max in that ****** tree... yes

I dont see any change besides that useless star icon in corphangar sections ^^


forget it

and btw the drake model is pretty uncool now

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Double clicking your ship now opens a separate cargo window.

THANK YOU!!

Only remaining suggestion is that your inventory button always open your item hanger when you're docked by default - not your ship cargohold if that happens to be that last thing you had open. When people are docked and click inventory they are looking for their item hanger, not the cargohold which is easily accessible via double-clicking the ship.

Loved my drake before this patch.. not so much any more. Little bits of red and yellow on it are kinda meh. Miss my old drake really :-( Please give option to use the previous drake model...

Get rid of the unified inventory... STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!
Want it back the way it was!!!!
Or give us the option to put SHIP HANGER and ITEMS HANGER windows in the side panel like it was.

Unified Inventory... what a joke.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

No real improvements on the crappy inventory.

I have mentioned this before, but posting again in the vain hope that you take a bit of notice:

The way to fix most of the issues is REALLY REALLY simple:


1. Bring back the buttons for Ships, Items, Corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position.

2. Bring back the right click options on ships for opening drone bay, cargo bay, ore hold, ship maintenance bay, fuel bay, corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. It is REALLY not a bad thing to have right click options that improve functionality. Remove the redundant ones, like undock etc.

3. When in space, make the cargo icon open the cargo bay only (Cargo icon = cargo bay << simple). Make this open in a separate window with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. If we want the inventory, we can use the icon in the Neocom, thatGÇÖs what it is for (Inventory icon = inventory << again simple)

4. Give the option to hide the ISK value. It takes up space and is a gimmick that is only used rarely. Better still provide a button that will calculate this amount if needed.

5. Reduce the size of the volume bar in containers back to what it used to be, it is too big and takes up space.


These are very simple fixes, which would go a long way to reducing the disgust and contempt people have for CCP at the moment, I cannot believe that they would be difficult to implement. So, please put your egoGÇÖs away and just do it.



Who the hell came up with this primary and secondary window idea ? For the love of God please wise up and just do what is necessary to make this somewhere near useable and not come up with these half assed ideas.

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Get rid of the unified inventory... STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!
Want it back the way it was!!!!
Or give us the option to put SHIP HANGER and ITEMS HANGER windows in the side panel like it was.

FEEDBACK


CCP ARTISTS:



So it was so bad I literally had to log on to post this in the forum for Inferno 1.1 -----


The Minmatar Ship Colors are bad guys. I mean like really bad.

They look like Amarr yellow.

Whatever happened to the beautiful RED HUES that we are accustomed too.

I can see the blue ones on Pirate ships since they are blend ... but I LITERALLY LOOKED AT EVERY NEW MINMATAR MODEL and they were ALL YELLOW! (and not in the good Coldplay way)

I can't even begin to tell you my dismay without being rude. It is THAT BAD. You need to go back and fix these ships. The blue solar panels are fine...but the rest of the ship needs that rust red hue that has come to distinguish these ships.

If i had to guess you did the yellow hue for visibility but it was a bad call.

I am not sure I want to fly Minmatar now because of it.

Grady - EVE player for 4+ years


PLEASE LIKE THIS POST FORUM/MINMATAR FANS if you agree.


P.S. On a positive note, the Geometrics and shapes of he new ships look nice! (Except for the SCYTHE and variations- How uninspiring! BLEH) I particularly like the Prowler (just not the hue as mentioned earlier...WHY ARE T2 SHIPS SO DARK too?!)

I've just salvaged/looted 2 missions and it was as bad as when the Inventory was first released. Looting has been fine since they applied the fix but today it's back to being laggy as hell and using a lot of CPU. Feels like a step backward in this regard.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

I am baffled by all of these people claiming that the old UI was user-friendly and click-efficient. It wasn't. It was just the first UI you became accustomed to.

4) Make the scroll-bar in the tree-view "hover" sensitive, even if the tree itself is not active. Thats how it works in most windows programs, this means allow scrolling up/down on "hover", without the need to activate the tree part.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

I don't fly minmatar, but why did you nerf the fins on the vaga and the square sails on the tempest fleet. Do i have to worry about all ships ending up looking the same?

Is it really that hard to make one part of a ship attach to another? http://clip2net.com/s/245vT

I am baffled by all of these people claiming that the old UI was user-friendly and click-efficient. It wasn't. It was just the first UI you became accustomed to.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

All the fixes on the UI and there is still no option to open inventory windows in new window on default WITHOUT HOLDING SHIFT ALL THE TIME.

Is it so hard to add an option "open inventory windows always in new window" (ie as secondary window).
Its sick - I click "access silo" and corp hangar window auto-closes... FIX IT !!!

POSITIVE FEEDBACK!

I like the icons on corp hangars , it reminds me of super mario

That's largely because it was. It required far less clicking and scrolling (and waiting) than the new one does. It was also far more customisable to your needs and to the uses of the specific inventory locations, not to mention far more space-efficient.

It had one inefficiency: you had to stack up your windows the first time you came across a new type, but that's about it.

The new UI is utterly and completely misapplied. It would have been a good replacement for the asset windows, and could have been a somewhat useful expansion (not replacement) of the station and corp hangars GÇö it's a horrid replacement for the general inventory windows because it tries to do something quite stupid: it's trying to treat windows with vastly different uses and purposes as if they were all the same.

What?

see the Minmatar fans are complaining about the ship colors, just like us Amarr fans did a month ago. When is the art team going to step up to the plate with a dev blog to explain what is going on with the art?

Also, I am quite pissed that the fins on the Vagabond were removed.

there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible.

there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion.

Many of the Minmatar models are due for refreshing/remodeling soon, as such, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time on artwork that is going to be replaced soon. Hence why they feel a bit unfinished in some areas.

Since it seems many posters don't keep up with the test server forum.

I will enlighten.

Many of the Minmatar models are due for refreshing/remodeling soon, as such, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time on artwork that is going to be replaced soon. Hence why they feel a bit unfinished in some areas.

The individual ship differences and other fixes will likely be included in the next patch/update much as the Amarr ship logos were fixed in 1.1.

The UI has always been a breeze for me, I dislike the green outline because it looks garish and gaudy when my UI is monotone, but I understand some people felt it needed. Largely, the old UI wasn't easier, you were just used to it. Change for many people is difficult to manage.

More importantly though, Just because the issues you want fixed weren't included in this patch, doesn't mean it won't be fixed/iterated upon in the next patch. Alternatively, your individual opinion doesn't have a hard line to the devs mind. Simply because you find X to be Y, doesn't mean the Devs agree, or will implement as you want. It also doesn't mean all/some/any other people feel the same way.

there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible.

there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion.

I'm not trying to bash you, everyone is entitled to their opinion and ides of aesthetics can vary quite widely.

But because I personally can't find a single thing I like about Amarr V3 over the previous skins, I'd just like to hear specifics, in the hope that it might make me less annoyed with the changes (particularly the fact that I now double-take several times and squint really hard to make sure I am in fact in my pilgrim and not simply an arbitrator by mistake).

So my question is to you Pinknife -

What are the normal players missing here in regards to upcoming ship changes that we can thus channel our efforts into developer feedback??? Also a timeline would be nice OR some sort of DEVBLOG feedback as this forum feedback iteration of EVE seems to be very devoid of it today and I can't figure out why.

But amarr, in my opinion, just look so ******* badass now. i can't speak for the red-gold changes on the CC ships, i took them for a testflight on sisi and loved the crusader and paladin, but i haven't been flying those ships since patch. i thought they looked good before and looked good after.

First, I don't speak for CCP, at all, i'm just a player who follows the test server forum pretty heavily. All, and I do mean ALL of the issues brought up here have been posted in that forum already.

Another issues is that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't follow the forums, won't comment on things, and mostly can't be arsed to give their opinion. The people who have no problem with the inventory UI aren't likely to come on here and say, oh yeah working fine, versus the people that hate it, and want it change,d are.

It is a standard sampling and feedback error that comes about in most customer service aspects of companies.

The only thing I know of that they have said is that many of the older ships are due for remodels/reiterations, Beyond that I haven't heard anything. If you want to know though, hop over to the test server feedback forum and check out some of the threads there.



Confirming Absolution is the sexiest ship in the game.

in a nutshell?

Confirming - there no Minmatar race anymore.

P.S. Scimitar, Thrasher etc r now Caldari.

Get rid of BLUE/BROWN pls, give us corrosion and rust BACK!

No more butter-yellow. Amarr look golden now. I don't feel like my corp name is appropriate when flying an Arbitrator anymore, and this is a good thing.

EVE Online: Inferno 1.1 has been deployed. TQ is up and docking requests are being accepted.

This thread is for general feedback about Inferno, for any issues you encounter, please report them in the issues thread so our devs can take a look.

Full patch notes can be found here.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Double Click -> Two Windows -> Drag&Drop -> Job done.

You do think, that this was not user-friendly or click-efficient?

But it is also true that it is very challenging to develop a new way of doing things (change, again) from the design and implementation standpoint. In the case of CCP's attempt to introduce a new way of managing EVE inventory containers and objects, the design and performance is not meeting many customers' expectations and, in their eyes, is a bad change.

In my book, CCP did neither a good job designing and delivering on this change in functionality nor did CCP do a good job of managing the impact of this change on their customers.

Part of success is admitting failure when it happens.

How long til CCP admits the Inventory is a total failure?

They just keep piling garbage on top of garbage.

Primary windows, secondary windows, additional neocom buttons, loading lag, mazes of menus and sub-menus, less screen real estate, less functionality, lost right click menu options etc...

The list just goes on and on, it's soo horrible it's just inexplicable.

What a terrible waste of time, effort, and resources.

Well now crashing has lead to 2 deaths which i know CCP will give me some Bullsh!t excuse and i will get no reimbursement anway

so posting super mad

Some people just hate change..

From the patch notes:
All V3 ship materials are now a bit brighter.

Can confirm that Amarr look better, but some of the Minmatar and Caldari seem a bit overamped (my initial looks at the Gallente say they are about the same). Looks a lot like the cell-shaded images I see posted around. ORE looks very different as well.

Some of the ships suffer and no longer look as real, but instead like kids toys in space, sadly.

Highly subjective I suppose. What do other people think?

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Actually on my computer every ship got MUCH darker, including Ore ones. Some Minmatar T2 ships are so dark that we can't see any detail on it.

Some people just hate change..

Get rid of the unified inventory... STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!
Want it back the way it was!!!!
Or give us the option to put SHIP HANGER and ITEMS HANGER windows in the side panel like it was.

Unified Inventory... what a joke.

OK, I will check with different Shader settings, then ...

EDIT/
LOL of the day: the ships look nicer on my PC with low shader settings. High = lower quality. Medium = start to be brighter, Low = higher quality, with brighter textures and ... reflexion of environment on the ship (which is absent on the 2 other settings).

Could someone test on his side and confirm, please ? This is really puzzling.

EDIT2/
Solar pannel look flat in "Low" setting, so it not so of an inversion of the settings, but still very strange fact ...

That said, give constructive criticism for gods sake, whats not working how you would expect it, give them bullet points so they can try to adapt the new system to fit the varied use cases.. why is this so f*Cking hard for people to understand...

omg so many folks just do not like change at all

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that CCP wants UI to be impossible, in order that it is difficult for the bot programmers.

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Ok, first full session after the patch.


GǪand all I can say is that my view on the Unified Inventory took a sharp 360-¦ turn and remained on the same course.

This UI has been live for less than a month, and you've had roughly two months of feedback, and you're already adding huge kludges to fix problems that shouldn't have been there to begin with. This whole mess about GÇ£primaryGÇ¥ and GÇ£secondaryGÇ¥ inventory windows you've introduced only results in one thing: more windows, more duplication, more clicking, less intuitiveness.

Yes, you added back some rclick items to open special bays. Good job. Too bad they don't open in any kind of remotely sane location. They all go into the GÇ£primaryGÇ¥ window, which means the functionality is completely redundant. The reason to have them in a rclick menu is to gain quick access to the bays GÇö what happens now is that they act as a mechanism to slow down your access to other stuff, because opening them that way means you reset a window that is (probably) already being used for something else. The same goes for the cargo hold button GÇö it opens my cargo hold in the GÇ£primaryGÇ¥ window, completely overwriting what I had set it up to show.

None of these buttons are even remotely aware of the fact that I already have windows set up to show these locations, and they will happily open new instances/reset an existing window rather than focus on the window already showing what I'm after.

The old UI never had these problems because every inventory was its own window. Opening the inventory in question opened the associated window. Since the two are now disassociated, you will never really be sure of what will open where unless you do everything very deliberately and entirely manually (going through the whole shift-click-and-place-into-stack rigmarole), which is far more cumbersome under the new system than under the old one.

This amount of kludginess at this stage of the development phase GÇö when you're still adding lost basic functionality back in GÇö only points to one thing: the underlying design concept is fundamentally flawed. This is the kind of mess you'd see after years and years of quick-patching surprising edge cases (cf. CrimeWatch), not something you should see right out the gate, and definitely not something you should see as a result of just trying to make the core functionality work. You haven't even begun to touch on the edge cases, and we're already seeing end-of-life feeping creaturism and function confusion.

I've tried to stay away from the Gǣroll backGǥ line of thinking, but if the state of the code is this bad, maybe it's an option you should start to exploreGǪ or if not that, then declare this code path dead, much like how you did with the GǣOld New NeoComGǥ (the one that got shelved because CoreUI was around the corner) and try again, this time with the first-line goal of simply being able to do what the old UI could do.

Soundwave........, just hire Tippia.

Soundwave........, just hire Tippia.

From his videos, to his ideas and the way he explains the problems and the solutions to them, on his own time I might add, its clear to all of us that have telling you for 2 months now from the Sisi feedback to today, that he knows more about UI design than any of the guys CCP have got working on it at the moment.

Does the simple fact, that by your own admission on this very thread that there's been loads of UI fixes and it still isn't fixed tell you that maybe, just maybe it might be time to consider putting it out of our misery?

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Largely, the old UI wasn't easier, you were just used to it. Change for many people is difficult to manage.

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

STOP ASKING FOR ROLLBACKS

THE OLD INVENTORY BACKEND WAS BROKEN! END OF STORY

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that CCP wants UI to be impossible, in order that it is difficult for the bot programmers. It's number one design goal was to be TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. It met this goal with flying colors.

The UI has always been a breeze for me, I dislike the green outline because it looks garish and gaudy when my UI is monotone, but I understand some people felt it needed. Largely, the old UI wasn't easier, you were just used to it. Change for many people is difficult to manage.

On what OS until you include information like that CCP cannot find the problem did you bug report it?

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

STOP ASKING FOR ROLLBACKS

THE OLD INVENTORY BACKEND WAS BROKEN! END OF STORY

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That said, give constructive criticism for gods sake, whats not working how you would expect it, give them bullet points so they can try to adapt the new system to fit the varied use cases.. why is this so f*Cking hard for people to understand...

Its gotten much better since it was first release, yes it should have been tested more on SISI first but honestly get over it at this point and comment.

As for the whole "I WANT MY VAGA SAILS BACK" they know, they've said already they will be doing more "custom models" soon since the v3ing is coming to an end for the ship models, i mean whats left? NPC assets / Stations and .. Capitals... no biggy really.... So the new t2 models will come eventually with the little wingys back lol This was said in a devblog recently.

I 100% agree about the matari ships WTF why are they cardboard? where is the red tone to the paint? its supposed to be rusty / grungy it always has been "IN RUST WE TRUST D*MN IT!"

I have an Windows 7 64bit on an i7, 3820 @ 4.6Ghz, 16Gb 2133Mhz DDR3 quad channel memory, 2 x AMD6970 Graphics cards and 2x 240Gb Force 3 SSD's.

I was reapproaching gate in my cane after being pointed by 4 drakes. My camera was fairly close to the ship and i could see the drakes missle spam hitting my ship which, while looking wonderful, slowed my machine down to less than 10fps.

This machine is about as fast as money can buy, and 4 drakes reduced it to a crawl. The game paused when i was in half structure and luckily, the next thing i knew i was 1au from gate warping away in my pod.

Also, i have my vsync set to 100fps ( on 120hz monitors). The game has always been able to run both clients at this speed in all but larger fleet battles and the odd mission where theres a lot of objects. Now i decloak on a grid with just myself and the game drops to 50fps if im so much as looking at a regional gate.

Constant incompetence is becoming a drag ccp.

If my computer cannot run this ****, nothing can.

Seems like I have a similar issue, but unlike you, I just reported it, not whine like a little ***** too.

Stop playing if it bothers you. Thanks for your feedback.

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

STOP ASKING FOR ROLLBACKS

THE OLD INVENTORY BACKEND WAS BROKEN! END OF STORY

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That said, give constructive criticism for gods sake, whats not working how you would expect it, give them bullet points so they can try to adapt the new system to fit the varied use cases.. why is this so f*Cking hard for people to understand...

Unified Inventory

1. Both Primary and Secondary windows don't remember their "Index" width each time I re-log or close and re-open them.
With the exception only the Primary window in space remember their "Index" width.

2. Only Primary window remember collapsed "Index". However, if I re-open Primary window with collapsed "Index", then uncollapse "Index", the "Index" came with a new width. This happened to both station and space Primary window.
Secondary windows don't remember theirs each time I re-log or close and re-open them.

3. Only Primary window remember collapsed "My filters".
Secondary windows don't remember theirs each time I re-log or close and re-open them.

4. Primary window don't remember their opened state each time I re-log. Each time I re-log, I'll always need to manually open the Primary window even though the window was open the last time I logged out of the client.
Only Secondary windows remembered their opened state when I re-logged.

5. Since the introduction of Unified Inventory, I used Primary window for my ships both in station and in space.
Therefore each time I change ship, the Primary window should change the focus on the new ship's cargo. Currently, Primary window remain focused on the ship that I'm in the first time I re-logged in a station or docked.
This is important to me because when in space, the "Cargo" button or Alt+C works only on Primary window but not on Secondary window. This alone negates the usefulness of ship's Secondary window in space.

6. Refer to the Training Queue window, the collapse button remain at the same location whether the skills list is collapsed or not.
The Unified Inventory "Index" collapse button should follow the same as the Training Queue.
As for the "My filters" collapse button, it's the least used for me, so no comment.

CCP, thank you for your consideration to make our lifes less miserable.

Edit:
7. Both Primary and Secondary windows should remember whether their "Index" active ship, Ship hangar or Item hangar collapsed or not as well.

WOW the fps went to **** in a hand bag maby they will fix it soon i hope. Fps went from 50 with 2 accounts open to 12 with 2 open

I like the new inventory. Opening multiple windows to perform a basic operation was a pain. On top of that my screen is pretty small and it was impossible to have more than two windows open without stacking them on top of each other, making dragging from one to the other difficult. It's also easier to see containers.

I don't see how the new inventory lost any of the functionality of the old one.

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

STOP ASKING FOR ROLLBACKS

THE OLD INVENTORY BACKEND WAS BROKEN! END OF STORY

What?

Patch notes have tons of unified inventory changes, both in the feature list and fixes list: http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

No real improvements on the crappy inventory.

I have mentioned this before, but posting again in the vain hope that you take a bit of notice:

The way to fix most of the issues is REALLY REALLY simple:


1. Bring back the buttons for Ships, Items, Corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position.

2. Bring back the right click options on ships for opening drone bay, cargo bay, ore hold, ship maintenance bay, fuel bay, corp hanger. Make these open in a separate windows with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. It is REALLY not a bad thing to have right click options that improve functionality. Remove the redundant ones, like undock etc.

3. When in space, make the cargo icon open the cargo bay only (Cargo icon = cargo bay << simple). Make this open in a separate window with tree view minimised as default, and remember the position. If we want the inventory, we can use the icon in the Neocom, thatGÇÖs what it is for (Inventory icon = inventory << again simple)

4. Give the option to hide the ISK value. It takes up space and is a gimmick that is only used rarely. Better still provide a button that will calculate this amount if needed.

5. Reduce the size of the volume bar in containers back to what it used to be, it is too big and takes up space.


These are very simple fixes, which would go a long way to reducing the disgust and contempt people have for CCP at the moment, I cannot believe that they would be difficult to implement. So, please put your egoGÇÖs away and just do it.



Who the hell came up with this primary and secondary window idea ? For the love of God please wise up and just do what is necessary to make this somewhere near useable and not come up with these half assed ideas.

That said, give constructive criticism for gods sake, whats not working how you would expect it, give them bullet points so they can try to adapt the new system to fit the varied use cases.. why is this so f*Cking hard for people to understand...

IN RUST WE TRUST

Can't realy trust this kind of material the minmatar ships are made of now. Some seem to be even made out of PLASTIQ, whatever that is. I'm sure it's something amarr. Don't like it.

And on behalf of my gallente allies, a late but not unimportant request: Give them their smile back.

As for the UI, I highly approve of what Rommiee wrote.

-Xola

IN RUST WE TRUST

Can't realy trust this kind of material the minmatar ships are made of now. Some seem to be even made out of PLASTIQ, whatever that is. I'm sure it's something amarr. Don't like it.

-Xola