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Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:08:00 -
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Are you sure about that? Thron has to work hard to get over 1kps, last i checked torps are faster even before skills and ship bonuses.
either way doesnt change the fact that hitting someone with torps requires 0 cap and does huge dmg even with standard launchers.
sieges also have lower grid requirement if i remember rightly.
Torps still do awesome damage with standard tech 1 gear... most competetive blaster is the modal electron i believe and they're neither common or cheap.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Are you sure about that? Thron has to work hard to get over 1kps, last i checked torps are faster even before skills and ship bonuses.
either way doesnt change the fact that hitting someone with torps requires 0 cap and does huge dmg even with standard launchers.
sieges also have lower grid requirement if i remember rightly.
Torps still do awesome damage with standard tech 1 gear... most competetive blaster is the modal electron i believe and they're neither common or cheap.
it doesnt du huge DOT with standart launchers
blasters are cheap, evenbest named ones...arbalest seige cost like 50m. Mudal electron blaster cost 6m...
seige use less grid cuz raven got less grid..
whats your point again?
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Are you sure about that? Thron has to work hard to get over 1kps, last i checked torps are faster even before skills and ship bonuses.
either way doesnt change the fact that hitting someone with torps requires 0 cap and does huge dmg even with standard launchers.
sieges also have lower grid requirement if i remember rightly.
Torps still do awesome damage with standard tech 1 gear... most competetive blaster is the modal electron i believe and they're neither common or cheap.
it doesnt du huge DOT with standart launchers
blasters are cheap, evenbest named ones...arbalest seige cost like 50m. Mudal electron blaster cost 6m...
seige use less grid cuz raven got less grid..
whats your point again?
BAD'BOY when did you start flyin megathrons?
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
only realy damaging missiles is torps and they arnt faster then thron
And the day that the mega gets enough cap to sustain a MWD, enough tracking to hit while MWDing, the agility to orbit a raven while keeping that speed, and missiles stop intercepting, that will actually matter. Originally by: Darken Two
BAD'BOY when did you start flyin megathrons?
I would guess that he doesnt given that he thinks outrunning torps is a viable combat strategy for a mega.
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Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Are you sure about that? Thron has to work hard to get over 1kps, last i checked torps are faster even before skills and ship bonuses.
either way doesnt change the fact that hitting someone with torps requires 0 cap and does huge dmg even with standard launchers.
sieges also have lower grid requirement if i remember rightly.
Torps still do awesome damage with standard tech 1 gear... most competetive blaster is the modal electron i believe and they're neither common or cheap.
it doesnt du huge DOT with standart launchers
blasters are cheap, evenbest named ones...arbalest seige cost like 50m. Mudal electron blaster cost 6m...
seige use less grid cuz raven got less grid..
whats your point again?
You do great dot with standard siege. Point is you NEED named blasters.
Whats YOUR point? i havent seen you make a retort yet that stands up to scrutiny.
Whichever single point of those i made you choose to discount still leaves blasters way behind torps and you havent even addressed cap yet.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.24 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
dude, blasters are already most damaging weapon
This is only true if you view them in isolation. Due to their tremendous grid requirements (and the gimpy grid of the megathron), compared to the slack grid requirements of mega pulses and the beefy grid of the arma and the apoc, combined with the fact that blasters neccesitate MWDs and taking into account the fact that armageddons have 1 more low slot than megathrons it is quite clear that blasters are indeed vastly inferior in damage to mega pulses.
This becomes even more clear when you realize that megapulses can hit for significant damage up to 60km away while blasters enter their killzone at about 5km.
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Cupdeez
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Posted - 2005.02.25 17:17:00 -
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the only thing good about the megathron is it looks better then the rest of the BS out!
other then that it sucks... i have 11 mil skill points and only can fly the megathron but since it sucks so bad.. i have started to train to fly a raven.. since they also use hybird weapons..
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.02.25 18:38:00 -
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don't cahnge the megathron plz. change the megapulses and missles. I do admit that blasters/rails are abit behind the rest, but plz balance the megapulse. Decrease its range.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.25 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: Bad'Boy
only realy damaging missiles is torps and they arnt faster then thron
And the day that the mega gets enough cap to sustain a MWD, enough tracking to hit while MWDing, the agility to orbit a raven while keeping that speed, and missiles stop intercepting, that will actually matter. Originally by: Darken Two
BAD'BOY when did you start flyin megathrons?
I would guess that he doesnt given that he thinks outrunning torps is a viable combat strategy for a mega.
when have I said that=?
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Stribog
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Posted - 2005.02.25 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
don't cahnge the megathron plz. change the megapulses and missles. I do admit that blasters/rails are abit behind the rest, but plz balance the megapulse. Decrease its range.
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2005.02.27 04:52:00 -
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No, don't gimp the others, bring blasters in line with 800's and megapulse in regards to dmg/range.
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Lunastral
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lunastral on 28/02/2005 08:23:14
Edited by: Lunastral on 28/02/2005 08:21:48
I started doing lv 4's about a week ago, having bought a mega i figured that i would fly thru them - how wrong i was. Now i have to warp in, kill 2 cruisers, warp out, rinse and repeat, no matter what setup i use always end up out of cap. How boring is that.
Although i admit, 1v1, 5 kms close the megathron rips all bs's. So i would say either boost the mega's speed, or give us a 30km+ webber (they wouldnt let me rip off the tractor beam from my station - bah :P)
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Henka
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Posted - 2005.02.28 11:42:00 -
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my npc fitting, that i can run for ever (if i use any ammo other then just Antimatter) is something like this
5 best named Neutrons, 2 normal ions (im looking for named), and 1 cruise lancher.
mid slots: mwd and cap rechargers
low: 1 L best repair (aco?) and 2 harderners (1 kin 1 ther)
and cap rechargers on the rest (or what u need).
well i can run the tank forever and use MWD.. i wtfpwn ANYTHING inside 12k (falloff on neus)..
Dont under estimate the neutrons, they are crazy. Kill cruisers before they even get to start orbit....
what i noticed is that try and aim for 250 sec or faster recharge on cap, that way u can run most ammo types 24/7 with L repair..
1 repair is not enough to tank 2 conq but spawn, if you own 1 conq in less then 60 sec (80 or so if u need to mwd some k's) it hardly mathers.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bad'Boy on 28/02/2005 11:45:35
megas are cool for solo PVP
and very good in small scale PvP battles
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Henka
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Posted - 2005.02.28 11:51:00 -
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yeah, i tried just a friendly "pvp" incident with a friend i got in apoc.
he had the normal "uber" tank (3 hards, 2 repairs) and megapulses (or if it was megabeams.. not sure) but i had 5 neutrons and 2 nosf, dont recall if i used the last slot..
anyway, with a normal MWD + guns + 4 lows for tanking i ownded him.
the nosf DID drain his cap sorta, and i tanked his 6 turrets + torps pretty okay, he was to struct when i was @ 50%, mind i didnt orbit i just stood there taking punishment.
and he lost (well i didnt kill him, logicly). This works pretty ok unless the enemy has exp damage (ravens) or nosf.
this makes mega ok for avrage pvp engagements but vs raven and/or nosfers you are wtfpwned...
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Solloeb
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Posted - 2005.03.01 17:41:00 -
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bumpity ... this still aint over
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.01 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 01/03/2005 19:19:24
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 01/03/2005 19:13:58
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
missiles are 2x as fast as a thron and already do fantastic damage.
thron needs nameds or t2 guns to do uber damage but still cant make up for travel time.
missiles are also 0 cap...
i fly a raven myself.
only realy damaging missiles is torps and they arnt faster then thron
I do hope you relieze that a thron has to fly into the torps, meaning more damage over short period of time, in order to actually use its blasters and Rails don't damage well enough or fast enough to keep a tank up from incoming missles in range and the next thing you know is your tank is either failing or you are out of core.
The only time a Mega has only WTFPWNED someone was if the battle already started in range of its blasters or faced another gun boat and the range to travel wasn't that long.
It doesn't boil down to a Mega sucking though. What it boils down to is that there is no effective missle counteracctive.
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Elemmakil
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Posted - 2005.03.01 20:27:00 -
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I find defenders very useful against torps&missiles. All cruisers have problems fitting the best weapons avaliable if they want to tank, i call that balance, but for an unknown reason caldari and amarr BSs can fit best weapons and tank, Min and gallente can`t.
The problem is caldari and amarr are overpowered and need a nerf.At least their BSs need it.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.01 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 01/03/2005 20:40:53
Originally by: Elemmakil
I find defenders very useful against torps&missiles.
I agree, they are very useful, against NPC rats  .
After that, they are easily defeated by launching all your missles at the same time since the defender only goes after the lead missle and it doesn't in fact have an explosion radious. If it did, you could take out batches of them with one defender.
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:19:00 -
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This thread is long.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 01/03/2005 21:31:33
Originally by: CCP Hammer
This thread is long.
Yeah, waay too long.
Read the first 5 pages and youve got the gist of it allright.
Tbh, i think hybrids need a tad of work, nothing more. Something like the projectile stuff you did, just more focused on cap use and/or damage output. Blasters especially, but rails as well.
But I've got the feeling you know what's up already since you prolly compared the lot again with your megapulse work of late.
Anyway, good to know you've seen it at least
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Kotori
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:42:00 -
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lol. i thikn thats hammers way of saying he cant b bothered to read the thread :)
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:48:00 -
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ITS A DEV!
QUICK! Someone web and warpscramble him so he can't get away.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 01/03/2005 22:52:22
/me sets a cloud of bubbles so that dev can't escape.
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woot, log xploit???
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Shaun Ronin
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Posted - 2005.03.02 00:07:00 -
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This is still here?
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.03.02 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This thread is long.
Maybe you dont agree with what has been said. Maybe you wont even bother to read any of it. But at least you noticed. Our work here is done. 
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Raven
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Posted - 2005.03.02 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This thread is long.
It's not a thread anymore. It's a petition to fix the gallente ships, nothing else.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.03.02 12:56:00 -
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I think that was Hammers way of sayin he's seen the thread. I'm happy now. Our work is done.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.03.02 12:58:00 -
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I'm a bit amazed that a Dev actually posted in the thred at all. Good tactic not to say anything possitive or negative about the content of the thred, though.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, a Dev has singaled that he's noted that the thred exist and that there are players with oppinions about Gallente ships.
Personally, I don't see much point in keeping this thred alive. It will be rendered out of date as of the EW fix, in either case.
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Cobalt Wyvern
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Posted - 2005.03.03 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This thread is long.
Wow Dev recognition . . . I'm sooo happy
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