Any numbers limit you put on ingame fleets will easily be circumvented breaking down the fleet into multiple small gangs, neglecting any disadaventage using OOG comms. Hence your proposal is naive and futile.

Nevertheless, offgrid boosting hurts the smallest guy first and is flat out a wrong and abusive mechanic. I can live with a complete removal of any gangboosts, but offgrid boosting has to die.


(And in case I didn't mention it before, I have 2 characters with close to perfect leadership skills (never really bothered with information warfare links), CS V and flying multiple T3s with all subsystems @ V).

it will happen, just like this idiotic highsec flagging system they want to bring in so the wow community can feel safe. Dramatize the thing enough, make it sound much worse than it is, an CCP will fold EVERY SINGLE TIME.....They know this, an even mission runners have caught onto the fact now that CCP will bend over backwards if you just make enough of a stink on forums. had 2 guys in Scope yesterday said ninjas should be banned for life an they wanted it like miners where they cant be effected by "griefers"...

SO the off grid booster nerf.... yer, it's coming.

For most of us, its never been an issue, but the minority who dont like it, an want things all cuddles an flowers, will make it sound much more dramatic.

Does the WoW community cry about EVE players this much?

Does the WoW community cry about EVE players this much?

I'd say that 80% of the time that Eve comes up in game design discussions, the WOW players are like "WTF, those guys are ******* nuts and all of them should be locked up under the jail..."

-Liang

You sure they know what we even are? I'm going to go search WoW forums to see what they think of us.

If I don't make it back.... Any pro-ogb warrior can have my assets. Wish me luck.

You sure they know what we even are? I'm going to go search WoW forums to see what they think of us.

If I don't make it back.... Any pro-ogb warrior can have my assets. Wish me luck.

As for calling people "carebears", no I dont. carebears are just a silly notion made up some idiot. But I do think you new exactly what you were getting when you signed up to EVE. Demanding it be changed to suit your obliviously "safer" idea of what EVE should be is just flat out stupid.

I'm sure there's a lot of things that could be better. Why are you so dead set on ruining the play style that I want to have?

Are we even talking about the same topic here?

Your sole argument is "because I would unsub".

And your suggestions are basically to nerf boosting in different ways, so, I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?

Then at the end you say "stop thinking about your play style" yet half your idea is clearly geared up to your play style.... off-grid boosting is fine so long as its just for a small number of players and after that you are a "noob blobber" and must use a CS on-grid. What?

You'e also misinterpreting my intent - I'm all for any advantage for small gangs, but offgrid boosting simply is the wrong way.


Maybe you've seen the fubared offgrid, warpcore stabbed, interdiction nullified cov ops cloaked 4 link 'unproabable' probing bonused 4-link tengu fit I posted in the other thread. I have two characters capable of flying that (well - both have caldari cruiser V, but I'd just need ~25 days to train all tengu subsystems to V which I didn't thus far because I hate Tengus), yet I don't because it would be abhorrently lame.

However, I know people do and many more are training alts for that purpose and quite frankly, they shouldn't exist.

I have a noob T1 frig alt @ ~20 mill SP I use for ***** and giggles, I don't mind KB stats and considering the ship that alt flies, have literally unlimited ressources and know how to avoid blobs, but finding a non-boosted opponent can be frustrating. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for a real beginner.

if I am readning this right, you want 1v1 "fair" fights ?... boosting is just fine as it is. You should remember that there is no such thing as 1v1 an "fair" fights. You do what it takes to win no matter what, end always justifys the means so to speak.

EG...
If I had to bridge 15 Avatars to kill your one vexor, I would do it because it means winning....

if I am readning this right, you want 1v1 "fair" fights ?... boosting is just fine as it is. You should remember that there is no such thing as 1v1 an "fair" fights. You do what it takes to win no matter what, end always justifys the means so to speak.

EG...
If I had to bridge 15 Avatars to kill your one vexor, I would do it because it means winning....

Does the WoW community cry about EVE players this much?

I'm pretty sure they're too busy enjoying the most popular MMO in the history of MMOs to give a **** about what some whiny space-douches think.

Why is your avatar so... sideways?

I'll break it into bite sized pieces for you.

With T3s only being able to boost small gangs, the command ships will be the only real choice for larger fleets. Then the command ship pilots who whine about not being able to use their ships because of T3s being better won't have that problem anymore. And they will be happy. Ok?

Following that change, the small gangs will also be happy because they can still use their T3s to stay competitive with big blobs that run links (which any good blob should). Ok?

Both parties are happy, the only unhappy people are the ones that don't have links or don't know anybody that do. But nothing can be done about them because CCP would have to remove boosting altogether to make them happy. Which probably won't happen.

And I said that if anybody thinks that blobs should be the only ones to be able to effectively run fleet boost that they are "blobbing noobs". IE the notion to remove OGBs all together without giving small gangs a choice but to fly expensive command ships in battle. Which basically screws small gangs over, hard.

If you still don't get it I sadly can't help you.

Then the command ship pilots who whine about not being able to use their ships because of T3s being better won't have that problem anymore. And they will be happy. Ok?

the only unhappy people are the ones that don't have links or don't know anybody that do.

It makes it easier to read the posts when you're looking at them?

How can you read the forums when your avatar is looking the completely wrong way?

edit: You're asking me about my avatar when just above my previous post sits the most hideous space-creature in all of EVE?

No - you're reading this entirely wrong. Eve is about getting the other guy engaged in an unfair fight.

Offgrid boosting however makes that too easy, so any rich noob can do it and it renders first attempts at solo and small gang pvp extremely frusrtrating for new players.

It just adds an option for carebears who are trying to pvp to make it relatively risk free, to discourage the real daring noob.


Personally, I'd actually appreciate it if you drop 15 avatars on my vexor, because I'd just call pandemic-phone (although it may not work, because you dropping 15 avatars on me may mean you actually are the lady answering pandemic-phone ;) - besides I'd still call it a victory because your fuel cost would have been way higher than the cost of my ship - so no - you're not the lady answeing pandemic-phone).

edit, I am not a member of Nulli either :)

Your sole argument is "because I would unsub".

And your suggestions are basically to nerf boosting in different ways, so, I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?

Then at the end you say "stop thinking about your play style" yet half your idea is clearly geared up to your play style.... off-grid boosting is fine so long as its just for a small number of players and after that you are a "noob blobber" and must use a CS on-grid. What?

What? Who's said anything about unsubbing? You... need to read the thread again.

-Liang

CCP is a business afterall and it isn't good for business to be making changes that will reduce their income. I for one don't really feel too strongly how this matter is resolved, but I will unsub my OGB toon if they remove off grid boosting. Thats $15 a month less income for CCP. I'm sure many other OGB alt owners feel the same. .

I'm not a member of PL either (not anymore for quite some time at least...), but I hope i got the message accross: All offgrid boosters do is giving risk-averse carebears an option to buy into to making their frig alt 'own' with the money they made in highsec incursions whilst any real noob quits in frustration.

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't spam insults at me in other threads in the forum if you don't agree with my ideas in here. Stop being a child, its time to grow up.

Pretty mean thread but deal with it.

Stop being a child, its time to grow up.

And from your other thread....



Yeah so you want to make a big tough-guy thread about people who fail but when someone does it back to you you get all defensive.



Stop patronising me.