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Yes, it would be better for the blobbing combat you FW types like. But for people who like small gangs would be immediately worse.

-Liang

Face it your off grid booster is a crutch. That is why you rarely pvp outside ammamake. That is why you are in every one of these off grid boosting threads trying to justify an obviously bad mechanic.

Just try walking without the crutch you will be able to do it.

What will you do when you can't see a cloaking falcon or a cloaky RR ship?

You don't know if you are going to fight 1 or 2 people.

Then what?

Battleclinic inicates you are averaging about 5 points per kill, while I am averaging 10 points per kill. This simply means that you tend to have 2xs larger forces per kill than I do.

Not to mention your booster ship isn't even included in your kills. I almost never use one.

Small scale pvp would be vastly improved because these boosters have a larger impact as the size of the gangs goes down.

Face it your off grid booster is a crutch. That is why you rarely pvp outside ammamake. That is why you are in every one of these off grid boosting threads trying to justify an obviously bad mechanic.

Just try walking without the crutch you will be able to do it.

Face it your off grid booster is a crutch. That is why you rarely pvp outside ammamake. That is why you are in every one of these off grid boosting threads trying to justify an obviously bad mechanic.

Confirming that off-grid boosters can't move systems.

I shoot the falcon or the rr ship because they are ... wait for it.... on grid. BTW you realize they nerfed a falcons range so that they had to be more committed to the combat. Do you think they should extend it back out?

And even if I die, I at least know after the fight not to fight them again. So I avoid them. There aren't that many people who do that and they quickly become well known to the locals.

Who is getting boosts is not so easy to determine.

I shoot the falcon or the rr ship because they are ... wait for it.... on grid. BTW you realize they nerfed a falcons range so that they had to be more committed to the combat. Do you think they should extend it back out?

And even if I die, I at least know after the fight not to fight them again. So I avoid them. There aren't that many people who do that and they quickly become well known to the locals.

Who is getting boosts is not so easy to determine.

He also advocates the use of Falcon alts. I'm so glad he doesn't work for CCP.

Not if they are in a pos in your corps home system.

Way to make **** up. You've never seen me advocate Falcon alts. :)

-Liang

Diesel47 also advocates the use of Falcon alts. I'm so glad he doesn't work for CCP.

Way to make **** up. You've never seen me advocate Falcon alts. :)

-Liang

A few comments:
1)- You keep claiming I use off grid boosts. Sometimes this is true, sometimes it is false. I generally don't bother logging in my own links and the Heretic links are offline by the time I log in. I've even repeatedly stated why I dislike logging in my links: it tanks performance for Fraps.
2)- Confirming that BC points are a good way to measure PVP penises and that people don't abuse the BC point system with faction cruisers and carriers repping Merlins.
3)- Boosters have a smaller effect as the gang sizes go down. 2 on grid vs 1 on grid/1 off grid highly stacks things in favor of the 2 on grid.
4)- The FW blobs more than we ever did. Hell, you guys frequently bring in more logis than we have people online.

You keep complaining about how you can't engage frigates in your cruiser and you're the one telling me that I'm relying on a "crutch". Cute.

-Liang

3)You make a bad comparision about how boosters help less as the gang size increases. Boosters will almost always decide a 1v1 but they won't always decide a 200 v 200.

There should be risks and consequences for those people as well. Combat boosting shouldn't work through POS shields. There should be risk involved in providing such a huge boost to your combat capabilities.

1)Ok you admit you use them.

2)BC points do tend to show how much you blob. And no I don't use faction cruisers or carriers to rep my merlins. So no dice there.

3)You make a bad comparision about how boosters help less as the gang size increases. Boosters will almost always decide a 1v1 but they won't always decide a 200 v 200.

4) Yeah ok try to dodge the actual facts about your and my actual killboard and just go with your raw assertion. I'm in fw so I want off grid boosting removed to help me blob. Nice.

So, I know it doesn't suit your biases, but they are not logged in when I am. Feel free to put a covops scout on our POS and check for yourself. But that won't matter because no matter what you'll make up an excuse for how I magically had bonuses and you didn't. And obviously that's why a frig is able to beat your cruiser.

-Liang

Not if they are in a pos in your corps home system.

1. You admitted you use links, so we're even on that score.
2. BC points don't show how often you blob and anyone that tries to use them as a serious measure of epeen measurement is :lol: in my book.
3. Talking about boosters in terms of "1v1" is stupid. What you're really talking about is 2v1, so yes I expect the 2 to win (generally). But 2v1+1 is as small as this scale goes - and the advantage is decidedly towards the on grid people.
4. I'm just going by what you say. You don't care about any of the consequences I've brought up - just remove it NAO because "LIFE ISN'T FAIR, A FRIG CAN TAKE ON MY CRUISER QQ, QQ, QQ" :pout:

-Liang

Ed: And the funny thing is that you would assert that the frig has bonuses even if he doesn't. LOL.

But I thought that you guys were saying OGBs are"virtually riskfree".

So whats the problem?

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Ed: And the funny thing is that you would assert that the frig has bonuses even if he doesn't. LOL.

So effectively you're asking for the game to be balanced around your borderline autistic need to know every single variable involved in every fight you ever have....

Right you don't use off grid boosters but you are so butthurt about the notion that they would be removed that you post in every thread about it.

That makes sense.

Some of the times I know people are using off grid boosters because of the range of their points and the disruptor that showed up on their killmail. I also know because lots of people admit it. Its not really a secret nor is it a crime to use boosters. Hell I am training a booster alt up myself. It sucks that eve is going in this direction, but until they change this rule its alts online or gtfo.

What is your problem? Seriously leave the crutch behind.

What is the risk in having one in a pos in your home system?

1) I almost never use them. If you used them as rarely as I do there is no way you would be posting in every thread to keep them.
2) BC points per kill and per loss can indeed be a decent indicator of how much one blobs. They are a much better indicator than just accusations on a forum.
3) Of course you don't know its a 2v1 you are walking into so its easy ganks for you and your corp isn't it?
4) What is the big concern you have that removing off grid boosting will ruin eve? Or will it just take away your crutch? And no I never said what you quoted. But yes I did use the frigate soloing a cruiser that can't even lock the frigate as an example of how outrageous the advantages to off grid boosting are.

What is your problem? Seriously leave the crutch behind.

What is the risk in having one in a pos in your home system?

There are no offgrid boosters in a 1v1 unless you have magic guns that can shoot off grid. What you have there is a 1v2.