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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3271]
I am not going to pretend I read through the entire thread, so Im just going to direct my words directly to CCP Pann.
Heres what I think are some reasons for people being angry.
1. The incarna released content is only 'eye-candy', some people want something more tangible from patches. I dont really mind personally. I like captains quarters. 2. The Noble exchange prices are ridiculous, I recommend you take a look at something like Atari store in champions online for vanity items and do some comparison math. Theres also very little in there, the clothes can only be looked at while at the station interior, which is like 0.00001% of the game. The NEX items are utter waste for majority of eve players. 3. People who converted plex to aurum without actually looking at the prices are very angry. 4. The station interior is a resource hog, and has overheated peoples graphic cards. I havent had trouble myself, even if my FPS halves while inside station. I can live with that. 5. This update came shortly after several nerfs that affected innumerable people, namely anomaly nerfs and jump bridge nerfs. You are really trying our patience here. I quit one of my accounts as a result of anomaly nerfs. I know it has very little effect but it is my prerogative.
I hope you can see what went wrong, and that the NEX prices arent the result of your owners putting pressure on you. I hope it was simply a case of someone being stupid. I also hope that theres more station interior stuff incoming soon.
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3272]
Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: xeitgeist
The person who posted CCP's leaked documents has been permanently banned on all accounts. Let this be an lesson to all of you.
says alot dont it
Technically he wasnt, considering he couldnt leak CCP DOCUMENTS, someone FROM CCP leaked the document and he published it!!!!!!
He was banned because of something he said that was said in rage as most of what this 100+ thread is *****ing about
UNBAN HELICITY AND START WITH THE DEV BLOGS, ya i said BLOGS as this is gonna take more than 1 to sort out
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3273]
Seeing as I'm still enjoying the game, I'm going to be honest and say I'm not going anywhere, since there are no games out there that have what eve has.
That said, I'm going to stop recommending it to others, and stop defending CCP as a company. CCP has turned me bitter and jaded and I fully expect the worst, which is that after this, the game is going to go downhill, towards an eventual shutdown and abandonment a year or two from now, and that makes me really really sad.
I love eve, I love the game, and the community. I have eve tattoos. I want to keep playing this game for years and years, I want to introduce my children to it and raise them as eve players. Now...I can't see that happening. Its really sad.
RIP Eve Online 2003-2013
*She sighs and salutes the tombstone sadly.*
This is really depressing. I think I'm gonna cry.
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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Haskuldr
Minmatar Naked Ape Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3274]
CCP you have the crisis dealing skills of a mute cat without legs.
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3275]
Originally by: IsVaffel Does this mean I can buy a lvl5 skill for $ anytime soon?
Probably. Don't you know CCP's new mantra is "Greed is Good"?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3276]
Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Zly Dziad Fail mmo company is fail :)
Just ban me you scumbags - fvck you guys - go to hell & die in a fire!!!!
BAN HIM!
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:27:00 -
[3277]
Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 12:28:08
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I feel sad that this has happened - and sad that I need to write this post (not just because it'll probably get buried under 9000 other posts). However, I hope this will be read because I am trying to make a reasonable argument here - not a raging flame post.
As a recurring member of the CSM, whose duty it is to represent the players (something I took very seriously), I went to CCP to discuss the issue of microtransactions. In fact, this topic was discussed several times on CSM summits (both in October and in December). We were assured that microtransactions would be vanity items only.
I was told, to my face, that CCP would not sell anything in their virtual goods store that would not be a vanity item (vanity items being useless fluff, not giving any benefits). Now I read in your newsletter that one of your main game designers is openly argueing to break this promise. I take that as a personal insult and a clear sign of disrespect towards the Eve community as a whole. Shame on you for even considering to break your word!
I'm still subscribed, the but moment CCP will offer anything other than vanity items for PLEX/AURUM/etc is the moment I will cancel my accounts. In going for the 'hobbyist gamer' (casual gamers, even though eve isn't that casual gamer friendly), you seem to have forgotten a large part of your player base. The part that has shaped Eve over the years: the hardcore gamers. We don't come here as a hobby to experience an ultimate sci-fi simulator. We pay a subscription for an all-access pass to this crazy dystopian universe, where what you do, what you become and what you achieve comes down only to your skills, dedication and your effort. And because of that, our actions are meaningful.
By extending the virtual goods sales beyond vanity items you directly attack one of the things that seperates Eve from all the other MMOs out there: that actions are meaningful. If I can just buy faction standing, what meaning is there in doing missions for faction standings? What meaning is there in finally achieving 6.0 standing (for POSs) or 9.0 standing (for COSMOS missions)? And from what I read, that's not even the end of it!
Some people might enjoy spending more money 'on their hobby' like it was golf (an analogy that is inherently flawed, which I'll explain below), but due to the dystopian, merciless nature of Eve you've bred a community that exists for a large part out of hardcore players. People who see Eve as a serious business proving ground - not as a lighthearted diversion. These are the people who have allowed you to get to where you are today. These are the people who stuck by you over the past 8 years - even if they do call themselves "bittervets". To turn your back on those people is at best poor form, and at worst commercial suicide. Because Star Wars Galaxies has shown you can't just trade in one group of customers for another.
Why golf is not the same as eve Specifically, buying golfclubs isn't the same as buying items in Eve. The equivalent would be if you could pay $100 to get one swing/strike/whatever it's called removed from your record. Instead of making a hole in 5, you could pay $400 and get it listed as a hole in one! Suddenly, your golf stats won't depend on how good you are, but simply on how much money you're willing to spend. Try to suggest that to golfers and see how they like it.
In Eve, just flying a spaceship isn't all there is to the gameplay. The effort to GET that spaceship is part of the game. The fact that it isn't easy to obtain certain things, achieve certain things or do certain things is exactly what makes these things meaningful. Meaningful to me AND to others, who can see what I have achieved. And now some game designer would like to take that away? Bad move CCP.
This illustrates it well:
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Az Secc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:28:00 -
[3278]
Helicity, one of your most passionate players, was banned for the equivalent of a "diaf" comment?
Way to blow things out of proportion.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:28:00 -
[3279]
Posting ponies for ccp management...
...and all they give us is...
Account expires in 1d 8h 13m 23s and counting The another account expires in 0d 15h 28m 38s and counting There is my vote - it is free - reel it in
------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
ddogg
Amarr HuzzaH
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:28:00 -
[3280]
Everything has been stated clearly in this thread thats wrong with the expansion, so I am just posting so that CCP has my disaproval added to that already expressed.
My objections
1. You either follow a free to play game shop model or a subscription model - you don't get to have the best of both. Make your mind up and make the game free to play with a shop or scrap microtransactions and the NEx store.
2. Don't add system hogging content that adds zero to game play. (this is still supposed to be a game right ?). I was expecting to be able to log on my walking character, join others in that station and interact.
3. Don't dumb down the content - I cannot beleive that CCP didn't study what happened to swg as an example of what never to do to your player base.
Roll it back and rethink.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:28:00 -
[3281]
Posting in a stealth Gallente buff thread.
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:28:00 -
[3282]
Originally by: Ancyker You want out of this CCP? I got the perfect way out for you:
Put it in the LICENSE AGREEMENT!
Put in the license agreement you will not add items that give any advantage what-so-ever. Vanity only. So if you break this promise we can sue your asses off.
Just to be clear:
vanity (plural vanities) 1. That which is vain, futile, or worthless; that which is of no value, use or profit.
I think this got lost.
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neuroticdax
Caldari Volition Cult Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:29:00 -
[3283]
since evryone is cancelling there subs and likely not coming back i would be remiss to ask can i have your stuff?
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:29:00 -
[3284]
Could we at least get an ETA on a statement?
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:29:00 -
[3285]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous If anything in that petition can reasonably be considered a real life threat then I guess when I say CCP can go **** themselves I am literally saying that I want a company to rip its **** off and shove it up its ass?
They will ban you for ANYTHING.
I got a ban once for saving Wranglers email address, in my email clients address book as 'Rump Wrangler'
Youve just got to hit the the GM with PMT.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Zarus Alexander
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:29:00 -
[3286]
Originally by: Az Secc Helicity, one of your most passionate players, was banned for the equivalent of a "diaf" comment?
Way to blow things out of proportion.
Did you read the rest of the **** they wrote? They're ****ing insane.
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:29:00 -
[3287]
Originally by: xeitgeist
The person who posted CCP's leaked documents has been permanently banned on all accounts. Let this be an lesson to all of you.
It violates the EULA... no really, not kidding it does.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:30:00 -
[3288]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 12:32:31
Originally by: ddogg
1. You either follow a free to play game shop model or a subscription model - you don't get to have the best of both.
It's F2P they've decided on.
That is the next surprise for the few people who remain before the server is shutdown.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:30:00 -
[3289]
Originally by: TZeer Whats next?
AUR for:
- Access to tournament reward ships? - Skillpoints? - Special Implants? - Stat changing packages for ships, a little more speed, little more armor.? - Buying yourself out of security hits? - Exclusive insurances that will return you lost items if killed?
AUR per character in fleet, as a blob deterrent? -
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 -
[3290]
Won't be too long before the forum will break down! Is this the largest threadnougt ever ?
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Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 -
[3291]
Originally by: Ancyker
Originally by: Ancyker You want out of this CCP? I got the perfect way out for you:
Put it in the LICENSE AGREEMENT!
Put in the license agreement you will not add items that give any advantage what-so-ever. Vanity only. So if you break this promise we can sue your asses off.
Just to be clear:
vanity (plural vanities) 1. That which is vain, futile, or worthless; that which is of no value, use or profit.
I think this got lost.
Up there. Wisdom.
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stilz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 -
[3292]
Dear CCP,
As a player who has played EvE on and off for the past 8 years.
I would like to know what I did to slight you in such a way that my 3 accounts are now forced to look at a door.
Please bring back my old hanger.
Thank you,
-stilz
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Warg Matar
Minmatar The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3293]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I feel sad that this has happened - and sad that I need to write this post (not just because it'll probably get buried under 9000 other posts). However, I hope this will be read because I am trying to make a reasonable argument here - not a raging flame post.
As a recurring member of the CSM, whose duty it is to represent the players (something I took very seriously), I went to CCP to discuss the issue of microtransactions. In fact, this topic was discussed several times on CSM summits (both in October and in December). We were assured that microtransactions would be vanity items only.
I was told, to my face, that CCP would not sell anything in their virtual goods store that would not be a vanity item (vanity items being useless fluff, not giving any benefits). Now I read in your newsletter that one of your main game designers is openly argueing to break this promise. I take that as a personal insult and a clear sign of disrespect towards the Eve community as a whole. Shame on you for even considering to break your word!
I'm still subscribed, the but moment CCP will offer anything other than vanity items for PLEX/AURUM/etc is the moment I will cancel my accounts. In going for the 'hobbyist gamer' (casual gamers, even though eve isn't that casual gamer friendly), you seem to have forgotten a large part of your player base. The part that has shaped Eve over the years: the hardcore gamers. We don't come here as a hobby to experience an ultimate sci-fi simulator. We pay a subscription for an all-access pass to this crazy dystopian universe, where what you do, what you become and what you achieve comes down only to your skills, dedication and your effort. And because of that, our actions are meaningful.
By extending the virtual goods sales beyond vanity items you directly attack one of the things that seperates Eve from all the other MMOs out there: that actions are meaningful. If I can just buy faction standing, what meaning is there in doing missions for faction standings? What meaning is there in finally achieving 6.0 standing (for POSs) or 9.0 standing (for COSMOS missions)? And from what I read, that's not even the end of it!
Some people might enjoy spending more money 'on their hobby' like it was golf (an analogy that is inherently flawed, which I'll explain below), but due to the dystopian, merciless nature of Eve you've bred a community that exists for a large part out of hardcore players. People who see Eve as a serious business proving ground - not as a lighthearted diversion. These are the people who have allowed you to get to where you are today. These are the people who stuck by you over the past 8 years - even if they do call themselves "bittervets". To turn your back on those people is at best poor form, and at worst commercial suicide. Because Star Wars Galaxies has shown you can't just trade in one group of customers for another.
Why golf is not the same as eve Specifically, buying golfclubs isn't the same as buying items in Eve. The equivalent would be if you could pay $100 to get one swing/strike/whatever it's called removed from your record. Instead of making a hole in 5, you could pay $400 and get it listed as a hole in one! Suddenly, your golf stats won't depend on how good you are, but simply on how much money you're willing to spend. Try to suggest that to golfers and see how they like it.
In Eve, just flying a spaceship isn't all there is to the gameplay. The effort to GET that spaceship is part of the game. The fact that it isn't easy to obtain certain things, achieve certain things or do certain things is exactly what makes these things meaningful. Meaningful to me AND to others, who can see what I have achieved. And now some game designer would like to take that away? Bad move CCP.
This illustrates it well:
+1 cycle dv until ccp imo
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3294]
Originally by: Aganola
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3295]
Originally by: Morphisat Won't be too long before the forum will break down! Is this the largest threadnougt ever ?
Well its grown faster than the T20 thread. Make of that what you will.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3296]
Originally by: Stray Kat CCP's vision for EVE as a total SciFi experience has not been bought into by the majority of the playerbase and they are kicking and screaming every step of the way. With each step that gets closer to that vision the emotional backlash hits a new level.
You are very very wrong. Go and watch the fanfest video's, not just the CCP ones but all of them that predate CCP's YouTube account.
Atmospheric flight: applause and cheering. Incarna tech demo: pretty much a standing ovation. PI mock ups and description: applause and cheering. Incursions (i.e. group PvE): applause because we like doing things in groups. Sov changes: applause because to hell with tower spamming.
At no point did anyone go "I honestly don't want this" sure some people voiced concerns, others asked hard questions but we're all here because of that all encompassing SciFi simulation thing CCP have been trying to deliver.
Now... go and look at what we've got. Go compare the vision for PI with the reality, go look at the sov mechanics and start comparing. I still can't do a straffing run on a planet in a frigate.
At no point has CCP not had buyin for that vision from the playerbase. The backlash has been getting worse because they've been straying ever further from that very vision.
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3297]
Originally by: I'm Down
Originally by: xeitgeist
The person who posted CCP's leaked documents has been permanently banned on all accounts. Let this be an lesson to all of you.
It violates the EULA... no really, not kidding it does.
CCP can DIAF
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xynix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3298]
http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Tardsauce
apparently the Devs have time to post on Twitter
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 -
[3299]
The EULA is not a legally binding contract.
It's something an MMO developer can call upon when looking for reasons to ban someone, but to actually use it against them would be fruitless since they can change the agreement at any time and date they please without authorization from all parties.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:33:00 -
[3300]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I feel sad that this has happened - and sad that I need to write this post (not just because it'll probably get buried under 9000 other posts). However, I hope this will be read because I am trying to make a reasonable argument here - not a raging flame post.
As a recurring member of the CSM, whose duty it is to represent the players (something I took very seriously), I went to CCP to discuss the issue of microtransactions. In fact, this topic was discussed several times on CSM summits (both in October and in December). We were assured that microtransactions would be vanity items only.
I was told, to my face, that CCP would not sell anything in their virtual goods store that would not be a vanity item (vanity items being useless fluff, not giving any benefits). Now I read in your newsletter that one of your main game designers is openly argueing to break this promise. I take that as a personal insult and a clear sign of disrespect towards the Eve community as a whole. Shame on you for even considering to break your word!
I'm still subscribed, the but moment CCP will offer anything other than vanity items for PLEX/AURUM/etc is the moment I will cancel my accounts. In going for the 'hobbyist gamer' (casual gamers, even though eve isn't that casual gamer friendly), you seem to have forgotten a large part of your player base. The part that has shaped Eve over the years: the hardcore gamers. We don't come here as a hobby to experience an ultimate sci-fi simulator. We pay a subscription for an all-access pass to this crazy dystopian universe, where what you do, what you become and what you achieve comes down only to your skills, dedication and your effort. And because of that, our actions are meaningful.
By extending the virtual goods sales beyond vanity items you directly attack one of the things that seperates Eve from all the other MMOs out there: that actions are meaningful. If I can just buy faction standing, what meaning is there in doing missions for faction standings? What meaning is there in finally achieving 6.0 standing (for POSs) or 9.0 standing (for COSMOS missions)? And from what I read, that's not even the end of it!
Some people might enjoy spending more money 'on their hobby' like it was golf (an analogy that is inherently flawed, which I'll explain below), but due to the dystopian, merciless nature of Eve you've bred a community that exists for a large part out of hardcore players. People who see Eve as a serious business proving ground - not as a lighthearted diversion. These are the people who have allowed you to get to where you are today. These are the people who stuck by you over the past 8 years - even if they do call themselves "bittervets". To turn your back on those people is at best poor form, and at worst commercial suicide. Because Star Wars Galaxies has shown you can't just trade in one group of customers for another.
Why golf is not the same as eve Specifically, buying golfclubs isn't the same as buying items in Eve. The equivalent would be if you could pay $100 to get one swing/strike/whatever it's called removed from your record. Instead of making a hole in 5, you could pay $400 and get it listed as a hole in one! Suddenly, your golf stats won't depend on how good you are, but simply on how much money you're willing to spend. Try to suggest that to golfers and see how they like it.
In Eve, just flying a spaceship isn't all there is to the gameplay. The effort to GET that spaceship is part of the game. The fact that it isn't easy to obtain certain things, achieve certain things or do certain things is exactly what makes these things meaningful. Meaningful to me AND to others, who can see what I have achieved. And now some game designer would like to take that away? Bad move CCP.
Very good post! +1 ------------------------------------
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