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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 24/06/2011 14:54:59
Originally by: Indy Rider
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I don't usually post a lot except on the internal CSM-CCP forums. So I'd like to share my point of view on the whole thing with you: http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/. Let me just say I'm fairly annoyed.
I'll obviously post more when we have more information.
Also worth reading is Seleene's blog post: http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/
I must admit I had little faith in the CSM to represent us, but my faith has been restored.
I just wish that CCP had utilised you to a respectable level, possibly avoiding this situation...
Thanks.
It's never a all-or-nothing thing, frankly there have been very numerous instances in which the collaboration worked very well, this is unfortunately not one of them.
You can be certain we're pressing CCP for answers to our concerns, stats to back any decision we wouldn't approve of, and we're getting them to provide us with actual *data* on things like "how many people who logged in turned CQ off", purchases made with aurum, performance stuff so there is no option but to face reality as opposed to some hand-waving that says everything's fine.
If you follow either my blog or Seleene's blog, we'll make sure to post everything we can as time progresses. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:55:00 -
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I know it's old-school by now (I was out of the game for a long time), but I think this needs to be here:
Forum Whiners Unite!
From here
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:55:00 -
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Told you so, CCP. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Blood Fart
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:56:00 -
[4144]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.
Well since you jumped in front of the bus....why was there a debate with one side advocating ripping us off?
Who is steering this ship and why does it take him/her/them DAYS to address immediate problems like insulting prices for goods?
Now get J=n H÷r=dal (Chief Operating Officer) off the golf course, give him a pen and put something down in writing about the future of macrotransactions and why we should continue subscribing to your product. He was very eager to jump up and write a letter when you guys were getting pats on the back for handling the lulzsec crap so I know he's capable of speaking for himself from a position of authority.
P.S. At this point I feel like I should send you a backcharge for providing better advice than your marketing or PR people.
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 24/06/2011 14:54:59
Originally by: Indy Rider
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I don't usually post a lot except on the internal CSM-CCP forums. So I'd like to share my point of view on the whole thing with you: http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/. Let me just say I'm fairly annoyed.
I'll obviously post more when we have more information.
Also worth reading is Seleene's blog post: http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/
I must admit I had little faith in the CSM to represent us, but my faith has been restored.
I just wish that CCP had utilised you to a respectable level, possibly avoiding this situation...
Thanks.
It's never a all-or-nothing thing, frankly there have been very numerous instances in which the collaboration worked very well, this is unfortunately not one of them.
You can be certain we're pressing CCP for answers to our concerns, stats to back any decision we wouldn't approve of, and we're getting them to provide us with actual *data* on things like "how many people who logged in turned CQ off", purchases made with aurum, performance stuff so there is no option but to face reality as opposed to some hand-waving that says everything's fine.
If you follow either my blog or Seleene's blog, we'll make sure to post everything we can as time progresses.
If eve isn't super died by then, you have my vote forevers. Unlike that other guy.
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Evilelmo
Gallente Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 13:42:13 Think this sums it up nicely.
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Nidda Schottajack
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:57:00 -
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How many Aur for a dance emote?
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Arrs Grazznic on 24/06/2011 15:01:25
CCP, Please read this:
Originally by: Tippia http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
This is a very good read and captures many of the points I would like to make. It doesn't touch much on the $99 licence fee (which I feel is being somewhat overlooked at the moment due to the other **** on the carpet) but it is a very good review of where we are at.
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Gerdan BloodELF
Minmatar D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:57:00 -
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I actually just watched the trinity trailer (Here) and you know what, it made me very sad (in fact i shed a singular tear). To see where we have come from but also see where were heading and this is not the game I once loved. CCP i gotta say you have broke my heart. I'm still hoping that this up and coming reply to the community will be what we all want to hear and that you (CCP) will follow through on what you say.
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Svennig
Originally by: Viibl Triibl
That's the meat of it. Everything else about the "lie" and the "memo" is just emotional grandstanding. Had Incarna been more on target and better executed, no one would've cared what CCP discussed within its halls.
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
I do believe it. I don't care what they talk about; I care about what they DO. The problem is that they did a bunch of stupid ****.
Every company I've ever worked at has talked about ways to diversify revenue. It's one of the most common things discussed. It might be uncomfortable for you to see people talk about consumer behavior, but it's nothing to get alarmed about and is very normal.
All of that said, they still made a bunch of bad decisions and that's what matters most.
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Aganola
Amarr Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:58:00 -
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Oh, one thing I forgot to ask:
OK, Monocles for 60$... what's next? Binocles (glasses) for 120$ ?
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Kara Kaprica
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Kaprica on 24/06/2011 14:59:35 I have read the PDF, and I have seen the ridiculous prices on the NEX store, and I genuinely feel like we as a player base have been crapped on. CCP - Instant U-Turn, full apology, and fix this crap right now, and get assurances (proper ones, written quoteable assurances) in place that NOTHING but Vanity items will ever grace the MT store in EVE.
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Kaprica I have read the PDF, and I have seen the ridiculous prices on the NEX store, and I genuinely feel like we as a player base have been crapped on. CCP - Instant U-Turn, along with the head of whoever's idea all this crap was.
DEVS FOR THE DEV THRONE
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
There is significant internal discussion with CSM, but we have not yet been informed of any final decisions regarding CCP's formal response. We have strongly urged that it be shown to the CSM in advance.
I'd urge you to do exactly the opposite.
If you become a buffer/filter for CCP at this time then you WILL become perceived as part of the problem, rightly or wrongly.
Their mess. Their PR. Let them spin it themselves
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Istyn
Originally by: Kara Kaprica I have read the PDF, and I have seen the ridiculous prices on the NEX store, and I genuinely feel like we as a player base have been crapped on. CCP - Instant U-Turn, along with the head of whoever's idea all this crap was.
DEVS FOR THE DEV THRONE
Let the Galaxy burn!
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Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola Oh, one thing I forgot to ask:
OK, Monocles for 60$... what's next? Binocles (glasses) for 120$ ?
Sounds like the logical next step. And so reasonable!
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Solran
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 -
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EVERYBODY COOL THIS IS A ROBBERY!!!
I LOL'd
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Tak149
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 13:42:13 Think this sums it up nicely.
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Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Long on 24/06/2011 15:02:16
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
There is significant internal discussion with CSM, but we have not yet been informed of any final decisions regarding CCP's formal response. We have strongly urged that it be shown to the CSM in advance.
I'd urge you to do exactly the opposite.
If you become a buffer/filter for CCP at this time then you WILL become perceived as part of the problem, rightly or wrongly.
Their mess. Their PR. Let them spin it themselves
this, is both in yours, ours (playerbase) and at the end even CCPs best interest not to do that like i said is too late for that aswell
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola Oh, one thing I forgot to ask:
OK, Monocles for 60$... what's next? Binocles (glasses) for 120$ ?
I asked the same thing about Goggles, I know they had them on Duality, cause my alt put them on.
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Transporter Slave on 24/06/2011 15:01:17 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
April Fools joke from 2008.
Now the joke's on them.
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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When this thread hits half a million views and 200 pages you will **** bricks ---
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xia Long
PR (in this case dmg control) works fine when used in the right moment, that moment is almost over
It's long since past I'm afraid. Damage control worked fine for Tyrannis and the others, but we're at the juncture where CCP employees were on record as saying "No MT in EVE ever" and there are MT's in EVE (be they Macro or Micro). That's a problem but vanity items only some of us will begrudgingly accept. Then it turns out that's phase 1 and in reality they'll be selling us nifty things to kill each other with. I missed the Scorpion for AUR thing.
Damage control? I don't think a fleet of Guardians going fullbore could keep that ship up.
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Nagasaki Warrior
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Originally by: shilpi
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This the main question on which my only account subscription depends, answer it please and i can move on, to game or the account management screen
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The answer should be no. This is the following day, a simple no would suffice. Why haven't you said no yet? Vanity and all vanity we don't care what you do or charge for vanity, but don't touch stats, no new none-paintjobbed ships, no new ammo, no new drones.
What he said
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Jimmy Juice Lips
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:02:00 -
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x if you enjoy being royally butt****ed to pay for the development of waking with fail vampires and a fps that will at best enjoy 3 months of sustained attention.
CCP Rapture.
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Haunting Widow
Wormhole Engineers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Svennig
Originally by: Viibl Triibl
That's the meat of it. Everything else about the "lie" and the "memo" is just emotional grandstanding. Had Incarna been more on target and better executed, no one would've cared what CCP discussed within its halls.
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
I agree with Svennig, maybe Viibl Triibl really is that naive (or dumb) but the issue here is the lies, and CCP's lack of accountability to their player base. I'll be holding their wallets accountable by not emptying mine for them anymore until this is addressed and FIXED.
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:03:00 -
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CCP right now:
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Aeril Malkyre
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:03:00 -
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Posting to reiterate the need for everyone to read and repost the article by Tippia, linked in my sig. ----------------------- A measured and succinct response to the NeX/Fearless/CQ debacle |
Svennig
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Juice Lips x if you enjoy being royally butt****ed to pay for the development of waking with fail vampires and a fps that will at best enjoy 3 months of sustained attention.
CCP Rapture.
x
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Reed Tiburon on 24/06/2011 15:03:39 All the people who care about this game have either already unsubbed or are seriously considering it.
This is CCP's NGE moment.
Quote: People wanted something simpler, more direct, more accessible.
We told them. ôIf you do this, you will lose all of our subscribers. It is that significant.ö
The response was that we would gain more due to the marketing push and relaunch.
So, we pushed forward.
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We launched, the marketing push failed, and we lost subscribers.
It was a misread at an organizational level. Design, Marketing, Production, community. You name it.
We made huge mistakes. We got too close to the changes. Design took something and made it bigger than it shouldÆve been.
We got swept up in the wave of changes and ran with it. And we ****ed it up. All of us.
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The point, the ****up, the mistake that we made, was answering an unasked question.
ôCan you change an MMO drastically after it launches?ö
Categorically, NO.
If we were to do it again, and wanted to make those types of changes, you have to make a new game.
Relaunch with a new title.
Or shut down Galaxies and relaunch for real.
You cannot change it at runtime.
That's what we're talking about, folks. ---
R.I.P.
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