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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 -
[5161]
I'd gladly pay Aurium for a Hybrid turret that actually worked.
Although if you want to make real money, why not sell a premium, 'lag free' client; you could make a mint off all those silly customer-type-people stuck in nullsec. Mind you, might eat into CCP's cut of the RL money its getting for ignoring RMT on the side.
At least it would explain why botting goes un-checked while the design team is hard at work reballencing those highly important T-shirts.
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 -
[5162]
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 -
[5163]
Originally by: Pure Tabasco
Step 1) Come out of your hole Step 2) Accept that you were wrong and admit that your greed almost jeopardize your only income. Step 3) Tell us all what were you planning before we catched you in this scheme. Step 4) NOT ONLY PROMISE, BUT GET A KNIFE AND MAKE A BLOOD PROMISE... wait sorry, we cannot know for sure, even you, that you gonna not be stupid and dont implement any game rule breaking MTs, but again, DONT DO IT. Step 5) Re-manage your dev power and start developing again FOR spaceships. Theres mining, which is so boring and simple that bots do it. Then after perfecting the core things in EVE start fixing your other stuff like FW (0.0 stuff its CORE so do it first then FW) then PI, Then finish incarna (actually you should put WoD full throttle so you copy code from WoD to Incarna and not the other way arround) Step 6) DONT WORRY, BE HAPPY....wait that isnt, its WORRY FOR YOUR COSTUMERS, IF YOU WORRY YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
Also some recomendations: -Replan Dust514 MT strategic. If it affects EVE and force your hand to implement MT then you are screwed. Try using a 5$ subscription fee for Dust and you will see it will work. Why? Because 5$ a month X 6 months its what a console gamer usually spend in a game that come out in 6 month. And new eden could be more addicting. If 5$ dosent convince you 7$ TOPS, if not, you are screwed.
-Start dev WoD as should be. My guess? You are trowing that dev power to Incarna so you test it first with us (and screw us if necesary seems so) to then use it in WoD. Wanna more money, theres your golden moose, not us.
Step 7) Make us happy, the costumer its allways right Step 8) Enjoy a decent pay for your hard work, dont rob us by being cheap.
AND If you feel you dont wanna DEVELOP MORE FOR EVE, SELL IT. MAKING IT DIE SLOWLY DOSENT HELP YOU IN ANYWAY TO YOUR REPUTATION.
Yup.
Too late though.
They got caught, in a scheme as you say. They really did expect to just have us pay for WoD then go F2P/P2W for EveOnline.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 -
[5164]
Originally by: Republica Winder THE BANNINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Starting to look like it.
Wonder if this thread will reach 200 pages before CCP responds?
Come on CCP. Start engaging in dialogue with the constructive people who are as invested in the future of this game as you are. You also need to understand that your players are human and some of them are going to let their emotions get away from them. Dole out tempbans if needed to make people cool down but overly harsh banning isn't going to do your public relations any favours. ---------------------------------------------
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Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5165]
So proud to be part of this.
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Tiresias Bishop
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5166]
Bloody hell. What a mess.
Remember a few months ago when EVERYONE was clammering for station ambulation? Remember the hype and excitement? The rage when CCP kept pushing back the date again and again? Remember the first glimpses? CCP's own Carbon framework? Now, the incarna patch has finally reached us. But Lo! Whats this? I cant exit my captain's quarters? Why is everything minmatar? How much for a ******* monocle?
You people (you know who you are) are the most impatient and unbelievably ungrateful I've ever seen. Dont you understand that this is the FRAMEWORK for awesome? Incarna was all about implementing the FRAMEWORK for carbon and hence furthur developments including all the stuff u wanted SOOON (tm).
The NEX? Sure its expensive - I sure as hell wont buy anything from it. Maybe it should have a few noughts knocked off it. But then again I dont have 1.4 billion spare isk. But THERE ARE ALOT OF PLAYERS WHO DO. The idea of buying standings - why not? It fits well with the game. And most importantly there are alot of people in game with the isk to do this sort of thing.
With incursions, it has become easy to make a billion isk a week for someone who plays frequently. Long term carebears, business moguls, jita traders, CEOs, l33t missioners or explorers. Nullsec moon miners, capital ship builders, high profile mercenaries. All of these people are capable of generating billions and billions of isk EVERY WEEK. The economy of eve is shooting upwards - instantly generating rats, respawning roids and endless moon goo have increased the ammount of isk in the game to the point where there are more billionaires than ever before. Even the NPC corp tax implemented last year was barely a speedbump.
There is an incredible ammount of isk in circulation, everyone and thier mums own carriers, jumpfrieghters and orcas now - so why rage at the fact there are now very exclusive items available for a price that these successful players can afford? Why the anger that standings can be bought by rich and powerful CEOs through generous 'donations'? WHAT IS THE POINT in becomming succesful in eve if there is nothing to spend your billions on??? Why have piles and piles of money if it cant make anything easier for you? I find it nice that there could be an alternative to buying YET ANOTHER ****ING TITAN.
You people need to grow the hell up. CCP - Cheers, you guys are awsome and doing an amazing job. I cant wait for the rest of ambulation! Dont let these forum *****es with nothing better to do with thier time get to you.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5167]
Originally by: BeanBagKing
LOL! --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5168]
this thread. damn near half a million views and approaching 200 pages.
:no response: ---
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5169]
I dont think that memorial is going down anytime soon FREE HELICITY |
Stenner
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5170]
Dear CCP
I don't care the least bit if you charge real life money for useless sh*t like pants or monocles. But the second you even think about charging for things that gives anyone an edge in the actual gameplay, I will be out of this game.
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xynix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5171]
anyone been outside Jita lately, this movement is gaining a massive momentum
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Zoltar
Caldari Perdu Opus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5172]
Originally by: danile666 Wo where is our answer ccp? Should I get my lube ready and bend over in preparation?
Lube is not allowed.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:18:00 -
[5173]
Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858 CCP, your clientele are a horde of masochists who wage economic, social, and tactical warefare against each other for fun. We won't be placated by spindoctors and more unfulfilled promises. You need to march Soundwave and maybe even Hilmar himself out here for a good stoning and an explanation/answers, probably in that order. Pending the content of the explanation/answers, there may be another round of stoning involved, followed by a continuation of the currently evolving mass exodus.
Sadly... even if every single person posting in this thread was to immediately rage quit on every account and never return it probably wouldn't impact the overall sub numbers too harshly, long term.
CCP would just roll out more/stronger MT 'perks' to the remaining customer-base to fill the whole from those who departed in the mass exodus, and they'd pat themselves on the back for ignoring another tempest teapot forumwarrior thread.
Sadly the commodity most on the line here is the emotion, belief and hope that CCP as a company really does try to create a niche game for a group of niche players.
Blizzard backed down on RealID because it didn't impact their bottom line, CCP can't really back down on MT as a revenue source to fund future game development... so they have to spin it in a way that doesn't impact their subscriber base (ignoring the 5% of so of us as outliers who could be shed).
I really do want to be proven wrong, but real world factors just suggest it ain't happening. I think CCP really screwed up in how they introduced this to us.
A point VERY clearly demonstrated in one of Manifest's posts "We've asked you guys to digest a lot of very quick changes and did a suboptimal job at walking beside you during the past month. Dev blogs and test servers and AT interviews and such didn't quite cut it for everything."
They likely expected the spin the hell out of this, and just did it wrong.
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Amarrket Man
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5174]
@CCP
This thread is titled "An overdue Apology and Request for Parley" So far I have seen you apologize numerous times. This thread is 160+ pages long by now and there has been only 15 blue posts responding to your community. That is less than one small post for every 10 pages we post. Granted there are alot of us and so few of you. I guess I should remind you that it was you who came to us wanting parley. Our problems with you are on the table, everyone knows what they are, especially you. Why then havent you responded to our concerns in any other way than "oh we are sorry, the game will be the same. plz dont unsubscribe." It seems you are too busy repremanding the forum rage than to make good on your request for parley.
Remember: a discussion requires two parties actively engaged in communication. So far you have sat back and let the rage continue without posting anything with substance.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5175]
Originally by: Evalon Fury CCp promised a response today... Why would anyone quit before they confirm our fears.... As soon as MT become useful for more than Vanity items.. alot of people are walking... edit to fix spelling.
I suppose that depends on how their metrics work (and whether or not they're looking at them).
If they keep track of "Current renewing subscriptions", where a cancelled sub immediately translates into -1, then quitting would have a purpose, and it would be easy to un-quit if it had the wanted effect.
If they simply keep track of "Current accounts able to play", where a cancelled sub doesn't show up until after all the remaining time has actually run outà then the effect is perhaps not as immediate. But they'd still get the "I quit!!1" reason feedback form mail, so they'll have some indication of the flow of things regardless. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5176]
Originally by: Pure Tabasco CCP, you want to end this? Its very simple.
Step 1: Secure the keys Step 2: Ascend from darkness Step 3: Rain fire Step 4: Unleash the horde Step 5: Skewer the winged beast Step 6: Wield a fist of iron Step 7: Raise Hell Step 8: Freedom
Ohh wait, this is for CoD Black Ops......the steps for CCP are.......HERE!:
Step 1) Come out of your hole Step 2) Accept that you were wrong and admit that your greed almost jeopardize your only income. Step 3) Tell us all what were you planning before we catched you in this scheme. Step 4) NOT ONLY PROMISE, BUT GET A KNIFE AND MAKE A BLOOD PROMISE... wait sorry, we cannot know for sure, even you, that you gonna not be stupid and dont implement any game rule breaking MTs, but again, DONT DO IT. Step 5) Re-manage your dev power and start developing again FOR spaceships. Theres mining, which is so boring and simple that bots do it. Then after perfecting the core things in EVE start fixing your other stuff like FW (0.0 stuff its CORE so do it first then FW) then PI, Then finish incarna (actually you should put WoD full throttle so you copy code from WoD to Incarna and not the other way arround) Step 6) DONT WORRY, BE HAPPY....wait that isnt, its WORRY FOR YOUR COSTUMERS, IF YOU WORRY YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
Also some recomendations: -Replan Dust514 MT strategic. If it affects EVE and force your hand to implement MT then you are screwed. Try using a 5$ subscription fee for Dust and you will see it will work. Why? Because 5$ a month X 6 months its what a console gamer usually spend in a game that come out in 6 month. And new eden could be more addicting. If 5$ dosent convince you 7$ TOPS, if not, you are screwed.
-Start dev WoD as should be. My guess? You are trowing that dev power to Incarna so you test it first with us (and screw us if necesary seems so) to then use it in WoD. Wanna more money, theres your golden moose, not us.
Step 7) Make us happy, the costumer its allways right Step 8) Enjoy a decent pay for your hard work, dont rob us by being cheap.
AND If you feel you dont wanna DEVELOP MORE FOR EVE, SELL IT. MAKING IT DIE SLOWLY DOSENT HELP YOU IN ANYWAY TO YOUR REPUTATION.
BUMP
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Cabroo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5177]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Aineko Macx It's working!
No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere.
Really, this needs to stop.
Linkage
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Meatay
Night Theifs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5178]
@ the risk of getting in trouble for cross posting, "they are working on it"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536909&page=2 ----------------------------------------------
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Ghard Eleran
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5179]
With over 150 pages i havent read everyones replies yet but i would like to put my opinion in this thread of opinions.
We the comunity are angry but well you know that. Now thing that iratates me more is asking us to 'help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches' words at this point wont help you, direct actions will.
The Incarna patch is not the root of your problem but it has its branches in there. The instability and heat issues are prety majour to anyone experiencing them, myself included. The captains quarters are prety good in my opinion but then again i dont really want them i prefer seeing( and spinning) my internet spaceship to my avatars behind.
The cash shop is were you seam to think the problem lies and in reality its still not the true root but lets cover the issues i have with it.
First the cost of goods is insane for a game were i pay a monthly subscription, i would expect the vanity items to cost one or two pounds, euro, dollars, gold dubloons. The content of the shop is severly lacking compared to other cash shops i have seen and i have seen loads (asian free mmo's). The items you have chosen are lets say less than special i mean who wants some booring boots or a crappy blouse (lets not even start on the skirt seriousaly you want us to pay for a skirt we arent all obsessed with .. i cant even hold to that we are.. but asking cash for a skirt is EXTREMLY insulting.
Now down to the roots the leaked documents are at the surface they show a company who now thinks of its customers as there golden goose!!! well perhaps you should look up the story of the golden goose it seams that you know of it and that the story did not sink in read it again get your management to read it and after reading it if you dont understand whats happening and see how the story links to current events within ccp and the comunity then you have my pitty.
The root of this is trust.
Back at the start of this game customer relations were good(there were mistakes but overall they were good) we got not only information but respect from the developers and we gave them our trust and our money. now it seams that respect is gone and our trust and inevitabaly our money will go with it. Not everyone will quit some will even use the shop, But the comunity is showing you its teeth be warned you would be unwise to make us bite.
If you want to 'fix' the situation first understnd that in the moderen day saying sorry doesent cut it we need to see action. I would say that a rollback to pre patch and a prommiss not to ever make a shop apear again would be what i would do.
However i dont see you throwing away all that development work or gettign rid of the greed(see the goose story) for more from us.
There is also the option of making the items in the cash shop 'free' with a promiss to just add them to the character creation screen as soon as posible this of course needs to be seen to be the removal and end of the cash shop.
Course if you want to keep the cash shop make the subscription free, dual subscription and cash shop models can work but not any more with eve you have ruined it with your leaked document of future plans for the shop.
yours sincerly Richard 'Ghard'
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5180]
How to build a Forum Bonfire...
Wood - Multiple Expansions of Broken (or Breaking) Content Gas - Soaking that wood by not responding to player concerns or calls for improved game mechanics Spark - A Leaked letter proving the company will go whatever direction it chooses, players be damned.
That last is important because, it's not insulting to me really. Many corporations behave this way because the number of consumers that will leave are far less than those that will stay. The problem for CCP is that EVE Online's community was built and developed to be 'important' and a part of the development process of the game - naturally being a niche game.
By clearly disconnecting from this model with no warning, the company has done just that - disconnected. Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that the game is built on a very strong community - and one that is savvy enough to quit. What insults me is that I had no idea how foolish the leadership of CCP was. Nobody is the perfect developer or manager of a game, there are far more in the graveyard than on the market. But the last 24 hours or more have proven that CCP not only misunderstands the dynamic link between EVE Online and its playerbase, but also doesn't know how to respond to that playerbase anymore.
This isn't Rocket Science (Then again Rocket Fixes DID take longer than producing a new NASA Shuttle) - the first step is to delegate a SINGLE person to handle the community, in this case you chose Pann (but then undermined that position by allowing others to post, some in a very 'light' and 'humourous' way). By allowing others to post, regardless of their position relative to Pann, you undermined the purpose of this response.
Step 2 is that 'dancing' around questions is very unwise when dealing with a community than needs only 30 seconds to cut your paycheck a little more. A straight answer of "At X Time we will Answer Y question" - naturally the question that needs to be answered has been determined BY THE PLAYERS, not you. NEX is a problem that can easily be handled. A leaded corporate letter is not - which do you think needs more attention then? This is not a Team BFF project anymore.
Step 3 is that when you indicate you will answer the questions THE PLAYERS HAVE ASKED, then you actually answer them. By failing to do so, you have enraged them further and expedited the deterioration of the game. This answer should be given by Pann, on a separate thread (because this one moves too fast) and LOCKED from response to be reviewed. Trust me, the players will devise their own response thread or just pile onto this one.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should any other CCP employees be speaking BUT Pann, the exception being a TOP EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CORPORATION - not a Developer. The devs are done - they did their part, for better or worst. The answer needs to be concise and directly answer each question, whatever they may be, with no room for question. If CCP seeks to continue MT into non-vanity items, make that clear, if not, then make that clear. You will not lose the whole playerbase over either answer - but because of your INaction, you have guaranteed some loss regardless. You provided no room for compromise, thanks to Fallout and Manifest's points on Aurum staying - an example of why they never should have spoken to begin with.
Good Luck CCP - The clock isn't ticking anymore, you already ran out of time. You are now in a true form of Damage Control for a corporation; choose wisely what you save and do so for the reasons YOU believe in, whatever they may be. Just remember that a burnt player-base will be just as difficult to work with into the future as a burnt MT model.
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Talin Ransara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5181]
Originally by: Evalon Fury Edited by: Evalon Fury on 24/06/2011 18:14:10
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Sheila Sarani Edited by: Sheila Sarani on 24/06/2011 18:05:53 http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Well i dont see much peoples pi ssed enough to cancel they subscrition in disgust... well they will swallow everything ccp c u m at them...
Welcome to Earth, Any reality check recently ? Thats how society actually works.
CCp promised a response today... Why would anyone quit before they confirm our fears.... As soon as MT become useful for more than Vanity items.. alot of people are walking... edit to fix spelling.
The sad part is Evalon, is that the day is OVER for CCP, and we have heard nothing from them. At this point I'd almost say for certain anything we hear from them wont even scratch the top of the issue.
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Zeomebuch Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 -
[5182]
in soviet russia the customers milk CCP
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 -
[5183]
Mass protest in JITA http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536803
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awg2
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 -
[5184]
A lot of good players that invested years in EVE have stopped playing or quit EVE long before this worthless expansion
Simply put, CCP doesn't listen or care anymore. So I foresee I will join them sooner or later if this doesn't change |
Sirconis Lychen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 -
[5185]
Up to 1820 in Jita protest and climbing.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 -
[5186]
The reason the dev blog statement is taking so long is they are all sitting flicking through the THESARUS looking for alternatives for the term "Vanity".
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 -
[5187]
Well, the Jita event just got epic... loads of people shooting crap, just saw a smartbomber do his thing... At 1.8K right now. Join the revolution!
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:21:00 -
[5188]
OMFG JITA! This is an iconic day that will live in the Gaming history books forever!
Viva la Revolucion!
Go get 'em people!!!
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:21:00 -
[5189]
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK i feel betrayed from the company i loved, but i dont think the whole company staff should suffer couse of a few idiots sheer stupidity.
That is exactly how company staff suffer, from greedy/fools in charge screwing them over for a quick buck. It sucks but that is how businesses work by and large unless it is an employee owned type of situation where everyone votes on what to do, which is rare. It isn't because of Monocles FFS. |
Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:22:00 -
[5190]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Pure Tabasco
Step 1) Come out of your hole Step 2) Accept that you were wrong and admit that your greed almost jeopardize your only income. Step 3) Tell us all what were you planning before we catched you in this scheme. Step 4) NOT ONLY PROMISE, BUT GET A KNIFE AND MAKE A BLOOD PROMISE... wait sorry, we cannot know for sure, even you, that you gonna not be stupid and dont implement any game rule breaking MTs, but again, DONT DO IT. Step 5) Re-manage your dev power and start developing again FOR spaceships. Theres mining, which is so boring and simple that bots do it. Then after perfecting the core things in EVE start fixing your other stuff like FW (0.0 stuff its CORE so do it first then FW) then PI, Then finish incarna (actually you should put WoD full throttle so you copy code from WoD to Incarna and not the other way arround) Step 6) DONT WORRY, BE HAPPY....wait that isnt, its WORRY FOR YOUR COSTUMERS, IF YOU WORRY YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
Also some recomendations: -Replan Dust514 MT strategic. If it affects EVE and force your hand to implement MT then you are screwed. Try using a 5$ subscription fee for Dust and you will see it will work. Why? Because 5$ a month X 6 months its what a console gamer usually spend in a game that come out in 6 month. And new eden could be more addicting. If 5$ dosent convince you 7$ TOPS, if not, you are screwed.
-Start dev WoD as should be. My guess? You are trowing that dev power to Incarna so you test it first with us (and screw us if necesary seems so) to then use it in WoD. Wanna more money, theres your golden moose, not us.
Step 7) Make us happy, the costumer its allways right Step 8) Enjoy a decent pay for your hard work, dont rob us by being cheap.
AND If you feel you dont wanna DEVELOP MORE FOR EVE, SELL IT. MAKING IT DIE SLOWLY DOSENT HELP YOU IN ANYWAY TO YOUR REPUTATION.
Yup.
Too late though.
They got caught, in a scheme as you say. They really did expect to just have us pay for WoD then go F2P/P2W for EveOnline.
Actually I was talking about ALL THEIR PLANS. My guess its that there was more in that iceberg. LOL NEX IS the tip of the iceberg. Now lets see if Titanic change course before we hit it.
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