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Horn Silver	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 - [7651] ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ ] YES [ ] NO [ ] MAYBE [ ] AFRAID TO TELL [ ] SCARED **TLESS [ ] I WANT MY MOMMY Just answer the QUESTION !!**
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:02:00 - [7652] Almost 256. Time to find out if the forums roll over!
NeoNexus	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:02:00 - [7653] While I still would like to think that CCP managment is working hard on getting this disaster under control and set another path for the company, the picture of Hilmar sitting at home padding himself on the shoulder and CCP Zulu strolling around i Reykjavic in his 1000$ pants keeps popping into my mind. CCP sure doesn't anything to convey another picture. Wearing a monocle would at this point be like walking around with a sign that says "I just got scammed - and I liked it!". I sure for one can't se the 52 monocles making up for the subscribtions that currently are being canceled. For now my finger howers inches above the unsubscribe button - and it is getting very heavy.
Pesadel0 the muppets RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:03:00 - [7654] What disgust reading hill letter if true.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [7655] Originally by: Ranger 1 You'll get confirmation of this all soon enough. And yes, I will be pointing and laughing. I'll gladly be pointed and laughed at if that means our campaign to get a solid commitment on no MT beyond vanity items is a success. However, I'll keep your post linked somewhere so I can point and laugh back in case CCP reverts that position in a few years time. Thank you for your contribution to this thread :)
Danatious	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [7656] In the proccess of liquidating all my assets, coming back in a few mnths/next year to test the water. Keeping all my stuff, so you can't have it.
amarri victari	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [7657] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Ranger 1 Does the fact that the people were asked to portray different extreme viewpoints in that internal communication now make sense? I don't see any "different extreme viewpoints" in that bulletin... It's just either MTs or MTs... and the article by CCP Morlock is imo even more damning than the Soundwave bit. Also notice how Hilmar explicitly refers to Fearless as a means of communicating company strategy/policy. Oh my, you really don't get it do you... i fear it is you that does not. read the email, now re-read the pdf. no re-read ALL the promises saying no MT previously issued. now look at it all and tell me which is true.... see, now you get it (maybe) - its a total crock of back stabbing, backpeddling, alternating, changing topics. many people call them lies.
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 - [7658] Originally by: NeoNexus I sure for one can't se the 52 monocles making up for the subscribtions that currently are being canceled. Oh I'm sure they're into the low to mid 60s now on monocles sold. Totally worth the squandered good will of the folks paying their salaries.
Josh Prakston Gallente ldiocracy RED.Legion	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 - [7659] Originally by: Clone Whisper Originally by: Josh Prakston U mad because i've got no real opinion on the matter? Knowing CCP, if they make a mistake, they'd usually CORRECT it. Indeed you are right,.. and that's where the F*ckup starts, becouse you are talking about a time when tehy still gave a damn and still listend to the community (to some degree). I don't knwo how long you have been following this trainwreck,.. for me,.. let's just say i've slept for 7 houres since the updaye and been reading every friggin post on as many threads as i possibly can, when i'm home on my computer and when i'm working on my phone. THe simple fact is, CCP DOES NOT WANT TO SHARE what they have in mind for us. Why? becouse if they told the whole truth they know they would get lynched. Hell,.. go back far enough in the two threadnaughts in here and you will find links where they state this them selves! THe questions the community are asking are quite clear,... And what is it that CCP comes with? An explenation to a point that does not even have the highest priority within the community. Better yet,.. they clarify on the one thing that does not matter most and say they are not going to release more information becouse if they did things would become to unclear! No, you are ablsolutely right, they enlightend us to the fuillest, NOT. What they did was give is a match to find our way in the Isotope tank of a jumpfraighter. And the last thought of the "Bigshots" of CCP,... Good luck finding your way and be carefull not to blow your selves up. We will see you after the weekend. You lost me at "Indeed, you are right..." __________________________________________________ There exist 10 different types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 - [7660] Originally by: Valuial ccp is so predictable, since the very begining of incursion, i knew it. So, to keep predictions on going, next step, ccp is harassed by investor, that are realising that's the management is completely out of reality, ccp will release dust514 and the other 16 year old aimed mmo in hurry to satisfy them, not that hard to predict, but hey they have "expert" (some of them play cov, so they must be expert... or drugged). Buffy mmo will dissappear as soon as it has been released. dust will be kicked out or will never achieve to be on top of battlefield and such other highly popular game. at this point it can be the end of ccp. In a way, i hope i'm wrong, but we will see if my experts are better than yours. You are not wrong. I have played a dozen of MMOs, most of them tanked because: 1) Their high brass thought to know it all and were FEARLESS. 2) Previous fiascos players kept badmouthing and keeping other players away. In fact Buffy and Dusty won't be exceptions, it happens all the time that previous disgruntled players WILL discourage others from joining the new games, will post terrible critics and sabotage all they can. All the failure MMOs behave like that. 1) Fearless 2) Bad mouthed 3) ... 4) Bought by EA. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity

Ms Freak Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:06:00 - [7661] I think the message is getting lost now. Lets make it more clear & constructive: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538210
Marcus Vorenius Task Force 42	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [7662] Originally by: Alexis Sachs Originally by: Marcus Vorenius no response from CCP Pann? Manifest said on twitter yesterday morning that she had a family emergency and had to split soon after beginning this whole thing here. I'll give her (and for the moment her alone amongst CCP folk) the benefit of the doubt. Well that's not fair of me. There are obviously folks at CCP who aren't happy like we are. Someone is leaking info (and god bless them!). absolutely - thanks for the update ----------------------------------------------- The No A$$HOLE Rule by Robert Sutton, PhD (recommeded reading)
Hey You Spricer Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [7663] I don't understand why all this sht storm on CCP. What exactly they did wrong? Exactly, nothing yet. They have internal company newsletter where ppl debate * like most company's do. Maybe we should do this? Nah that's **ed maybe we should do that instead... Nah... This Arum thing. Whats wrong dudes? You can buy PLEX for ISK? check. You can swap PLEX for Arum? check. You can buy ** with ISK/Arum? check. You still don't have to spend single RL $$$ on eve? Check. If they wanna give option that you can paint your ship fukin pink or rainbow for all i care, or to buy yourself sunglasses and if there are enough idiots who are willing to actually pay for it via ISK or RL cash its fine. Great for CCP. If on the other hand* they release **** like say T3 ammo there or allow you to buy 5 mill SP to distribute then in any way shape or form that is the end of EVE and i will be first of this buss after 7 years. See crucial word here is IF Lets wait and see.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [7664] re: 52 monocles -- I would venture to guess that not a whole lot of these monocles were purchased with real moneys, people simply had PLEX/ISK to burn. So far, the ISK price of PLEX has gone down, which to me speaks volumes. It's too short-term to be conclusive, but still.
Nedefeg	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [7665] get back to the top bring this to 300 sony didnt go bankrupt over ** like this but ccp will ...praying noone curently in ccp management/accounting EVER gets any job please if anyone can, post real names so we can keep tabs and mail a link to this threadnaught to whoever would hire these **s in the future :)
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:08:00 - [7666] Another irony here is that they are having an academic discussion on how to go beyond vanity items when they have not even begun to look into vanity items themselves. Race/bloodline changes, name changes, these were not even mentioned I don't think. Oh well, at this point I have become emotionally detached from it. If they go beyond vanity I'm gone, if not I stay. Balls in their court.
Ragnoroc	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 - [7667] Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? To anyone still asking this question. Is it not obvious by now that the answer is YES. Zulu lied to us when he said it was an internal discusion document, lets face it, it was nothing more than mangement PR fluff TELLING the workforce, this is our new vision, this is our new direction, this is what we sold to the share holders! As to the people who are complaining of egos on here they are much smaller than the egos and arrogance of the architects of this new direction. This comes from the very top of the company. It is most likely they have already spunked the money from the float or VCs which ever funded this large expansion of what was a small company. They have not delivered anything substantive and they will not or maybe cannot go back to the investors for another round of funding. The Eve we grew up with from 2003 is dead! They don't want the older players anymore, well maybe the did for a short while, until WoD or Dust hit the market as Eve is still the cash cow, but Eve in it's current form does not conform to the new vision! The egos here are the upper management and knowing their background we know how big those egos really are! Eve is DEAD! Sad really after 8 years, but hey I have got over divorces, relationships, jobs. Get a life move on nothing left here to see but the sad demise of what was a great game.
FIliphys Organization of Unallied Capsuleers	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 - [7668] Server downtime. How many will continue the protests after servers come back up? Originally by: CCP Shadow Chribba is always right. That is all.
starchurette	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:11:00 - [7669] last patch useless, real problems and bug still here, passivity when exploit in game, cupidity, insane price .... GG 3 ccp accounts canceled
Talamicus	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:11:00 - [7670] Hi all, well i have never posted here, but this will be my first and last post. I hear people going on about what needs addressed etc to resolve this, but it should be noted and remembered that this company (just like the governments of the world and other big corporations) are lying to us and will continue to do so no matter the outcome of this recent revelation. When the world runs on an already dated/rigged monetary system then corruption creeps in at every level. -1 Sub

Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 - [7671] Originally by: FIliphys Server downtime. How many will continue the protests after servers come back up? What do you hope to accomplish doing this? You're still playing their game. Want to protest? Quit. Quit now, don't look back. Reconsider when you get an apology e-mail, maybe.
Okan Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 - [7672] Originally by: Horn Silver ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ ] YES [ ] NO [ ] MAYBE [ ] AFRAID TO TELL [ ] SCARED **TLESS [ ] I WANT MY MOMMY Just answer the QUESTION !!** !!!
Alexandra Episteme	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 - [7673] Just HAD to post this... While reading and agreeing with everyone disappointed with CCP for blatantly keeping us out of the loop etc etc... my Spotify randomly played the soundtrack to this entire discussion: Cascada - Au Revoir The lyrics are just epic when it comes to this discussion. And also, -2 subs "As long as we stay together, we are strong"
Zora Gallente Vector Industries DONT PANIC.	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:14:00 - [7674] Fuuuuu... this really is a threadnaught isn't it? And I mean not a cute one. A really ugly, big one... So first of all, Hi Pann :) Glad to see you're still around. Not so glad to see the reason for why you had to make the post. Second: Please, people, just stop being emotional and think for a second. Did you ever think about WHY such a document was leaked? This is highly damaging material for any corporation when taken out of context. Think about your own private or business mails, and what kind of stuff could be leaked that could show you in a very shady, wrong light. I think that's excactly what happened here. I don't know why someone would do that, but I guess there are always people who just like to watch other people get hurt. The reason I stuck around this game for so long as I have is not really that I play much, it's because I fell in love with the company that works so hard to make their vision reality. Not a big, public company like Sony or Blizzard. A small company with a heart and a soul, and a very rough edge. If you don't know this let me tell you: there is no investor pressure because people like hilmar are the ones in charge. They say what to do and what not. And that's ok, because that's the way it has always been. They have established a pretty strong foothold in a very rough market with tons of high-profile competition. So what's the point? The collector's items (and that's all they are now) are expensive, yes. So don't buy them, I don't unless they become as cheap as vanity items should be. Does this deteriorate my gameplay experience? No. Does it make my character less attractive? Hell no. I didn't even buy the monocle on the testserver with free aurum, because I gasp simply didn't like the looks of it. And now suddenly, because it's expensive, it's the root of all drama? What the hell? This is why I understand Hilmar's stance to just let the ****storm blow over. Many people would (are) complaining about it, including me, but they want to look at the hard numbers to see what's working on the market and what's not. And we all live in capitalism so that's how they have to measure the success of a sale strategy. Does this make you feel exploited? Well, maybe that's the problem, and that I can understand a lot better. Nobody likes to have it in their face that they are getting milked for money. But to expect from CCP that they have to act like some kind of saints when EVERYONE else in the business is jumping on the MT train may be a bit too much to ask. Maybe it's not, maybe we're the kind of crowd that disapproves of such things more strongly than others. We don't have problems supporting multiple accounts; we just don't like to pay for vanity. Or do we? That's what the NUMBERS would show them. We all talk big, but in a moment of weakness we'll buy stuff since we have creditcards and it's quick to do. That is, if we really have a kind of demand for that stuff. If it's not working, they'll probably ditch the idea altogether. If it is working, they may test the water with other stuff. If the public outry is too big, they probably won't even do that (no matter what is said in the mail now). So I really want to appeal to the sense of reason in all of you. Nobody betrayed you. This is "normal" day to day business and strategy discussions, leaked out of context and to the public with ill intent. Same goes for the mail from hilmar, he is CEO and he has to tell his people that he stays the course, else he would look like a weak leader. I don't really think he said anything that's completely unreasonable or unexpected, at least for me. And, I feel a little dirty for reading private mails. Guess I'm the only one here All that being said, ponder on this for a second: You can buy every single item on the eve market for real money by buying PLEX from CCP and selling it for ISK. You can buy noble exchange items by buying a PLEX on the market with ISK and exchanging it for AURUM. Nothing really changed.
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:15:00 - [7675] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric re: 52 monocles -- I would venture to guess that not a whole lot of these monocles were purchased with real moneys, people simply had PLEX/ISK to burn. So far, the ISK price of PLEX has gone down, which to me speaks volumes. It's too short-term to be conclusive, but still. They were still paid with real money, because someone had to introduce that PLEX into the economy in the first place.
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:15:00 - [7676] Originally by: Marcus Vorenius absolutely - thanks for the update Sure thing. I'm so over-extended on social media right now I think my head may explode. But in this case I'm glad to have helped (it did get reported about 100+ pages ago too, I'm not the only one reporting in).
Doom Sentinel	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:17:00 - [7677] I wonder if they're waiting for the 1st of july to announce aurum paid ships etc, so they can get another round of subs in before the mass cancellations. CCP, please answer the question, will there be more than vanity items in the NEX?
OCHOYTNIK	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:18:00 - [7678] I was going to buy a monocle to get people to wardec me...
Brother Paulan	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:18:00 - [7679] . "...request for PARLEY..." Correct me I am wrong... PARLEY requires 2 or more ppl to discuss right? This thread is over 200 pages and CCP has not posted since they first created this thread? what the FUÇK is CCP doing?
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:19:00 - [7680] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: FIliphys Server downtime. How many will continue the protests after servers come back up? What do you hope to accomplish doing this? You're still playing their game. Want to protest? Quit. Quit now, don't look back. Reconsider when you get an apology e-mail, maybe. I showed up in Jita just to see it. To me it work both ways, either you quit altogether or see where we can take the Jita protest. i still got 2 months + before my sub runs out. I canceled, but it shows CCP people still give a **** about their game, and if they really wanted to, and got a wake up call, they probably could still turn this thing around before its too late. People are having to make the hard choice of leaving one of the few if not the only sandbox MMO of its kind remaining



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ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:[ ] YES[ ] NO[ ] MAYBE [ ] AFRAID TO TELL[ ] SCARED ****TLESS[ ] I WANT MY MOMMY

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:[ ] YES[ ] NO[ ] MAYBE [ ] AFRAID TO TELL[ ] SCARED ****TLESS[ ] I WANT MY MOMMY

ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[ ] MAYBE
[ ] AFRAID TO TELL
[ ] SCARED ****TLESS
[ ] I WANT MY MOMMY

ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[ ] MAYBE
[ ] AFRAID TO TELL
[ ] SCARED ****TLESS
[ ] I WANT MY MOMMY