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Uuali	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:48:00 - [12451] Looks likeà ALLà BETSà AREà (still) OFF.
Maeve Nightside	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:51:00 - [12452] ARE YOU UNSUBBED and feel helpless (or just mean)? Then inflict some damage.... PLEX is a liability to CCP. It represents game time they have to maintain that they have already cashed the check on. It is a loan from the players. NeX is a good way for them to get rid of that liability; when folks cash in PLEX, they don't have to provide services for game time and all some idiot just gets a monocle or a pair of jeans (which costs nothing for CCP). Unusub players - Kick them in the nads. Sell all your stuff, convert it to PLEX and give it to a (staying) player that you can trust to use it for game time. Ouch! Your unsub just hit CCP's cashflow hard because they just lost X times PLEX of short-term subscription fees. The added benefit is they they get NOTHING from sales at the NeX store from these PLEX. If they need liquidity, take it from them. You can even keep your mission ship on your account so if things turn around you can build up quickly enough. You might not like the idea, but I thought it was cool. Full credit to Londo Cebb in previous post. Hit me as particularly vindictive.
Major Stallion The Dark Horses.	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:54:00 - [12453] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this?
Gingawa Caldari Platinum Dragons Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:55:00 - [12454] Iceland is so broke CCP took on the mission to fix their economy. Also, I came online to get away from being a taxpayer ****ed by the government. Damn.
Gulliver Rex	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:55:00 - [12455] Originally by: Miilla CCP are depending on RICH players to make up the cash flow problem. Yes, Ma'am. Make no mistake. This is not a peasants' revolt. It is the nobles of Eve who are up in arms. A Civil War (Roman, not American) with our very own Optimates and Populares duking it out. As for what happened to CCP, it is hardly surprising; happens all the time, and, with all due respect, to much smarter people, too. And they are trying to find solution within the game. So? Perhaps, and I could easily be wrong, NeX is not such a bad idea; it is the implementation that presently sucks. Personally, I feel Eve should be a subscription only game, but the cost of it should be tied to your skillpoints. The more you have the more you pay. If you have, say, 5 mil. sp, you hardly have access to what even your average ftp game offers; why should you be paying more? But paying more for being a loyal customer makes little sense, too, unless it comes with some very exclusive privileges, privileges that can be sold (not unlike what many European nobles did with their titles) on the market so to recoup the cost of the subscription. Long story short, you start playing for free, and as your skillpoints go up, so does the cost of subscription. In return, you earn loyalty points (the more you pay the more you earn) you can spend in the NeX store on very cool, exclusive, even overpowered items, that you can either keep and be awesome, or sell on the market to get your money back.
Moolti Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:56:00 - [12456] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this? CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date. . @)}---^----- The Jove are a warning to us all. We must remember to live and Love and feel. Fall in Love, make Love, be beautful and see the beautiful. For we mustn't loose our human spark
buck herrick SS-20	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:05:00 - [12457] Originally by: Moolti Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this? CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date. irrelevant i am afraid, corporations restructure finance all the time. tbh restructuring this will likely be able to save them money rather than cost them
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:08:00 - [12458] Originally by: buck herrick Originally by: Moolti Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this? CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date. irrelevant i am afraid, corporations restructure finance all the time. tbh restructuring this will likely be able to save them money rather than cost them Yeah but debt is debt. Care to explain how you can restructure debt to cost less, you mean renegociate the terms of the loan? The bond has been issued and is maturing. It will happen again, so they renegociate the terms of the new reissued bonds.
Holly Cleland Special Operations Foxhound	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:09:00 - [12459] Well, it's like this, if something bad happens (it won't get that far), one of their projects will be put on hold, and people will be layed off, I don't imagine CCP getting to that point but there is a serious problem of CCP biting off more than it can chew. They've got 2 projects running concurrently with EVE, EVE is obviously suffering through lack of development, and just from looking at how little we got in Incarna is proof enough of that (yet they can hire GMs to smooth over every newbie), adding bells and whistles won't convince us there's proper development going on in the background thusly hurting your current subscribers. This basically means (assuming what has been said is true) CCP either needs to renegotiate their loan (I imagine they won't have a problem at all) or CCP will need to secure additional revenue from other sources in order to maintain it's development, I doubt they will let any projects go on ice, there's so many solutions to a problem like this, and CCP has a solid reputation as a business and a bank or governing body would be a fool to ignore their potential in the future. -A well thought out post Holly "The Yellow Dart" Cleland
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:10:00 - [12460] Originally by: Miilla Yeah but debt is debt. Care to explain how you can restructure debt to cost less, you mean renegotiate the terms of the loan? The bond has been issued and is maturing. It will happen again, so they renegotiate the terms of the new reissued bonds. And in an environment of increasing inflation, and now some new risks to the enterprise. Rates up most likely. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Marrious	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:11:00 - [12461] I'm not going to hold my breath, at this point I fully expect them not answer any of our REAL questions. They're going to answer in the most beat around the bush way possible. They're doing this to try to hush us up. But we shall see. I hope that I'm seriously mistaken.
Zuquar Bonaparte New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [12462] Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 28/06/2011 01:13:46 Originally by: buck herrick Originally by: Moolti Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this? CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date. irrelevant i am afraid, corporations restructure finance all the time. tbh restructuring this will likely be able to save them money rather than cost them being a icelandic company with a partial owner that broke icelands economy allmost single handed, then it may be very hard to refinance those loans at a affordable intrest. MT IN EVE? HELL NO !! Linkage
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:15:00 - [12463] Originally by: Holly Cleland Well, it's like this, if something bad happens (it won't get that far), one of their projects will be put on hold, and people will be layed off, I don't imagine CCP getting to that point but there is a serious problem of CCP biting off more than it can chew. They've got 2 projects running concurrently with EVE, EVE is obviously suffering through lack of development, and just from looking at how little we got in Incarna is proof enough of that (yet they can hire GMs to smooth over every newbie), adding bells and whistles won't convince us there's proper development going on in the background thusly hurting your current subscribers. This basically means (assuming what has been said is true) CCP either needs to renegotiate their loan (I imagine they won't have a problem at all) or CCP will need to secure additional revenue from other sources in order to maintain it's development, I doubt they will let any projects go on ice, there's so many solutions to a problem like this, and CCP has a solid reputation as a business and a bank or governing body would be a fool to ignore their potential in the future. -A well thought out post Holly "The Yellow Dart" Cleland "CCP has a solid reputation" I stopped reading right there.
Holly Cleland Special Operations Foxhound	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:16:00 - [12464] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Holly Cleland Well, it's like this, if something bad happens (it won't get that far), one of their projects will be put on hold, and people will be layed off, I don't imagine CCP getting to that point but there is a serious problem of CCP biting off more than it can chew. They've got 2 projects running concurrently with EVE, EVE is obviously suffering through lack of development, and just from looking at how little we got in Incarna is proof enough of that (yet they can hire GMs to smooth over every newbie), adding bells and whistles won't convince us there's proper development going on in the background thusly hurting your current subscribers. This basically means (assuming what has been said is true) CCP either needs to renegotiate their loan (I imagine they won't have a problem at all) or CCP will need to secure additional revenue from other sources in order to maintain it's development, I doubt they will let any projects go on ice, there's so many solutions to a problem like this, and CCP has a solid reputation as a business and a bank or governing body would be a fool to ignore their potential in the future. -A well thought out post Holly "The Yellow Dart" Cleland "CCP has a solid reputation" I stopped reading right there. Then you should have read the part where I said as a business, not as a reliable game developer that gives solid fan service, idiot troll.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:19:00 - [12465] Originally by: Holly Cleland Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Holly Cleland Well, it's like this, if something bad happens (it won't get that far), one of their projects will be put on hold, and people will be layed off, I don't imagine CCP getting to that point but there is a serious problem of CCP biting off more than it can chew. They've got 2 projects running concurrently with EVE, EVE is obviously suffering through lack of development, and just from looking at how little we got in Incarna is proof enough of that (yet they can hire GMs to smooth over every newbie), adding bells and whistles won't convince us there's proper development going on in the background thusly hurting your current subscribers. This basically means (assuming what has been said is true) CCP either needs to renegotiate their loan (I imagine they won't have a problem at all) or CCP will need to secure additional revenue from other sources in order to maintain it's development, I doubt they will let any projects go on ice, there's so many solutions to a problem like this, and CCP has a solid reputation as a business and a bank or governing body would be a fool to ignore their potential in the future. -A well thought out post Holly "The Yellow Dart" Cleland "CCP has a solid reputation" I stopped reading right there. Then you should have read the part where I said as a business, not as a reliable game developer that gives solid fan service, idiot troll. Perhaps you missed that that ship has sailed the over the last week. No one thinks much of them anymore after all this bad press.
Stalking Mantis Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:21:00 - [12466] http://www.imvu.com -------------->> that way Keep what makes EVE..........EVE
Holly Cleland Special Operations Foxhound	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [12467] Edited by: Holly Cleland on 28/06/2011 01:22:09 Originally by: RougeOperator Perhaps you missed that that ship has sailed the over the last week. No one thinks much of them anymore after all this bad press. Say that to Activision.
Becka Call	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:23:00 - [12468] What everyone seems to be forgetting is that with the Icelandic Banking issues they don't have access to the capital markets that they previously had. Their business may be viable and a good risk for a loan. Doesn't mean there is any capital available for them to borrow. I called the cash flow issue a couple hundred pages back in this thread. just didn't know the specifics.
Kelnarn Shaelingrath Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:24:00 - [12469] Originally by: CCP Pann IÆm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade. ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. Humbly yours, ~P~ o/ Pann, Most people would have preferred no stalling for time, and yes many are quite angry, I for one am not, but it's because it takes quite a bit to anger me, however, I am concerned as are most others that CCP is going to make changes to this that will change the way the game works at a sub-level that will incorporate an unfairness into the game for the sake of a few dollars. Most people could really care less about the eyepiece, but everyone has stated that it's pricing goes far beyond the definition of a "micro-transaction", but that's not the "chief complaint" in this or any other thread that has been posted and have grown to an inordinate size in these forums.... you guys (CCP) have stated previously "Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means." and in several other posts blogs, ect the statement has been made that "nothing will change" in regard to discussions on "gameplay" affecting items, yet here over the past few days with the leak of the theoretical discussions newsletter and the leak of the "wait and see" email, people are simply wanting an honest yes or no answer to the question of whether or not you (CCP) are going to go ahead and break that promise and sell items for cash that could break the current balance of gameplay. For example, my oldest character is around 4 years old, one of my corp-mate's characters is 8 years old, if someone were to be able to create a new character, had enough money, and they were able to purchase all kinds of things that gave them an advantage over our characters in a short period of time, then what would be the point of all of those years of training and learning the game when someone could basically waltz in and buy their way to the top with real $? In a way this can be done now, but only to an extent: 1. make account 2. buy GTC with $ and convert to plex 3. go buy a character with skillz 4. buy uber ship 5. win EVE All of these items with the exception of the character, goes through the regular market, and benefits everyone in one form or another, but to offer non-trade-able/sell-able/manufacture-able items in RMTs goes against the very nature of the game. In a way, your own EULA prohibits you from doing it just like it prohibits players from purchasing items in RMTs.. How many accounts have been shut down or penalized for the very same thing that you guys (CCP) are considering doing now? (or it seems as though you are) Personally, I wouldn't care if there was a skillpoint package as long as it was structured like neural remaps, I.E. limited and can't be abused, but ships and other items (not clothing) that aren't available on the market and can never be?, nope, that's not even close to being fair. anyway, there's a ton more that I'd like to add, but my text limit is fast approaching, so I'll close for now, but if you'd like to hear more from me and the 7 accounts I pay for, you're always welcome to ask. Thanks Pann. Bill AKA K.S.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [12470] Originally by: buck herrick Originally by: Moolti Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07 October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :) elaborate on this? CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date. irrelevant i am afraid, corporations restructure finance all the time. tbh restructuring this will likely be able to save them money rather than cost them Well not really. If they are in debt and need money to pay to keep operating, then that is A LOT different to them just being greedy and wanting money for pay rises. Is CCP going under if they can't clear this debt? If so, then they have a pretty legit reason for MTs...
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:36:00 - [12471] Originally by: Headerman Well not really. If they are in debt and need money to pay to keep operating, then that is A LOT different to them just being greedy and wanting money for pay rises. Is CCP going under if they can't clear this debt? If so, then they have a pretty legit reason for MTs... I sorry you seem to have meant to say legit reason to Shelve one of the expensive projects till they fix their balance sheets. You dont F up the cash cow for short term gain. IM even madder then i was before because they were using the money i pay to improve eve on other games by in large.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:38:00 - [12472] Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:40:45 Originally by: Headerman Well not really. If they are in debt and need money to pay to keep operating, then that is A LOT different to them just being greedy and wanting money for pay rises. Is CCP going under if they can't clear this debt? If so, then they have a pretty legit reason for MTs... $8m in 4 months. That's a lot of monocles. 114285.7142857143 to be exact.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [12473] Originally by: RougeOperator Originally by: Headerman Well not really. If they are in debt and need money to pay to keep operating, then that is A LOT different to them just being greedy and wanting money for pay rises. Is CCP going under if they can't clear this debt? If so, then they have a pretty legit reason for MTs... I sorry you seem to have meant to say legit reason to Shelve one of the expensive projects till they fix their balance sheets. You dont F up the cash cow for short term gain. IM even madder then i was before because they were using the money i pay to improve eve on other games by in large. True, they should have cut back (or at least remained static and not taken on extra peeps) on making WoD or whatever their new vampire game is (sounds interesting btw). The Noble Store thing really needed CQ, it would have made no sense without it.
Mechael Minmatar Helhest	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:42:00 - [12474] Originally by: Holly Cleland Edited by: Holly Cleland on 28/06/2011 01:22:09 Originally by: RougeOperator Perhaps you missed that that ship has sailed the over the last week. No one thinks much of them anymore after all this bad press. Say that to Activision. Seriously? Activision? They're even worse. Only the uninformed and the greedy think much of Activision.
Kiwi Miner	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:50:00 - [12475] was away for a day last i heard ccp zulu was makeing a blog i take it that was just a lie to delay things while ccp called the csm to them for tea and cakes while hoping things got a bit quieter here and in game. smart move wait long enough and it wont matter the thinkers will have left the zombies will be here to follow ccp's every wish. I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:54:00 - [12476] I for one get alot of enjoyment out of Eve and i am happy to pay to keep them going and expanding. The whole 'Greed is good' email made CCP look like they wanted a pay rise. But it not, and they really do need the money, i am fine with it.
Nardkick	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:56:00 - [12477] Originally by: Holly Cleland Edited by: Holly Cleland on 28/06/2011 01:22:31 Originally by: Miilla "CCP has a solid reputation" I stopped reading right there. Then you should have read the part where I said as a business, not as a reliable game developer that gives solid fan service, idiot troll. Who the f#$k would play around with the dynamics of a stable income producer like EVE, while developing two other projects? That, is bad business.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:56:00 - [12478] Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:56:19 Originally by: Headerman I for one get alot of enjoyment out of Eve and i am happy to pay to keep them going and expanding. The whole 'Greed is good' email made CCP look like they wanted a pay rise. But it not, and they really do need the money, i am fine with it. $8m in 4 months. That's 114285.7142857143 Monocles to be exact. Better start shopping rich boy.
Reyold Bengali Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:57:00 - [12479] Originally by: Govinda Sertan 1000$ pants !! 1000$ PANTS MOTHERFRAKERS !! The way it looks like they were planning to bend us over, assless chaps would have been more appropriate ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Maeve Nightside	Posted - 2011.06.28 02:02:00 - [12480] Real world loans are only part of their prob. They sold a lot of PLEX to the players. It is like taking out a bond (since plex represents game time. If redeemed it means a drop in subscription income). They have a lot of leveraged debt in game too. If called in suddenly, it would be a potential hit to their ability to continue operations because their cash-on-hand could dry up.

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October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)

October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)

October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)

October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)

October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)

October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)