Corporation owners can choose from a list of predefined icons for their Divisions, so they don't all look the same

Users can access various Inventory locations directly from the Neocom by default

if this includes a extra button for ship hangar im happy!

also in before "rollback inventory" whine

Renaming divisions can be done by Right-clicking the Division directly in the Inventory

100 ISK for the first person to tell me exactly where this currently is. I suspect most people simply don't know or cant find it.

100 ISK for the first person to tell me exactly where this currently is. I suspect most people simply don't know or cant find it.

When moving items inside the Index Tree, the tree will scroll up or down if the mouse is moved to the upper or lower edges of the Index Tree tab

Quite an annoying example of the new interface is the two lines required at the bottom of a minimum sized cargobay...

The lines 'number of items' then the summed value create a 2 line height box of colourful border that actually obscures the names of any modules etc in the cargobay itself - only leaving a cut of the item picture.

I'll attach a paintshop pic if needed to explain further.

This really minor thing is a damn nuisance though and needs sorting out quick.

Please check out the "Item Management" category of our WDATT list. Might be something there to give you ideas.
Google Document: bit.ly/wdatt
Main Forum Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98941

You've already got a bunch or what we have listed which makes me excited!!

The Quick Actions Menu will be added to the bottom of the Inventory window and will have a range of useful options for quicker access or for tasks that have not been available before. Actions like 'Empty' and 'Sell All'.

My biggest pet peeve is with the corp inventory. When I dock it takes forever to load if there are a lot of items in the inventory, but even more so is the behavior where you have to click the twisty to open the corp hanger, then it collapses again when it loads and you have to click the twisty again to open and select the division ..


If you fix that I would be a happy toon :)

That area is for the Quick Actions buttons. Here is a 'Work in progress' mockup of it which we released with the first Inventory blog:
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28129/1/Inventory_Blog_Future_Inventory.png

Patch notes for EVE Online: Inferno 1.1

Deployed on Monday, June 25, 2012.
Features

Unified Inventory

The "My filters" section of the Index tree in the Inventory will now remember if it has been collapsed. The collapsed state in station and in space are remembered separately.

That area is for the Quick Actions buttons. Here is a 'Work in progress' mockup of it which we released with the first Inventory blog:
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28129/1/Inventory_Blog_Future_Inventory.png

100 ISK for the first person to tell me exactly where this currently is. I suspect most people simply don't know or cant find it.

Renaming divisions themselves? Pretty sure it's under Corp window -> Home tab -> Details tab -> Divisions button at the bottom. You can rename the 7 divisions from there. (Pretty sure you need director privileges to do this)

That area is for the Quick Actions buttons. Here is a 'Work in progress' mockup of it which we released with the first Inventory blog:
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28129/1/Inventory_Blog_Future_Inventory.png

99 ISK for Grideris!

1 ISK subtracted as you actually need to be the CEO to change them :)

I would very much like to create custom folders in my inventory.
Cans seem a bit backward thinking

That area is for the Quick Actions buttons. Here is a 'Work in progress' mockup of it which we released with the first Inventory blog:
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/28129/1/Inventory_Blog_Future_Inventory.png

I think one of the major things is for the assets window to be combined in to the unified inventory. It's supposed to be a UNIFIED inventory but there's still a separate window for assets.

When moving items inside the Index Tree, the tree will scroll up or down if the mouse is moved to the upper or lower edges of the Index Tree tab

I think one of the major things is for the assets window to be combined in to the unified inventory. It's supposed to be a UNIFIED inventory but there's still a separate window for assets.

I would very much like to create custom folders in my inventory.
Cans seem a bit backward thinking

*snip*
#6
Adobe hired an UI designer and made CS6 (I'm speaking about Photoshop here) so much better with only little, well thought, tweaks. It made CS5 look like the stupid child nobody speaks about.

Ask for help from professionals, not customers on forums.
*snip*

While it is important to have professional designers, project managers, quality assurance engineers and coders working on the project @ CCP, it is also important for customers to be able to provide insight into how they have, currently and will use the Inventory functionality.

The true professionals will be able to sort through all of those bullet points, categorize / prioritize them and then get to work on putting together a better product. I hope that this is what you meant.

*snip*

Now from what i hear, CCP isn't listening to the good points of their pilots base.

Best of luck to them.

* Users will _not_ have an arbitrary previously opened inventory window open instead of the container they tried to open if they the desired location is or becomes invalid.


Specific examples where this is annoying:

1) You are 10k from a wreck - you click the "open can" button and turn on MWD. Your ship motors over to the can, and just as you get within 500m the command to open the can finally fires. But oops, when it reaches the server you've overshot and you are now > 2500m and out of range. What opens instead? Your ship's cargohold. Why?

2) You are attempting to hack a radar site can. You click "open container" button before it has been hacked. What opens instead? Your ship's carghold. Why?

3) You are looting multiple wrecks. You have opened one wreck but not emptied the contents, and moved on to another wreck. Situation 1 from above occurs and you overshoot. What window opens this time? The wreck you looked at but did not completely empty.


tl;dr: If you can't open the window I asked for, just show the error message - don't open the wrong window too.

Hi could you clarify some of these points.

1. If you select open cargo and turn on your MWD, the ship will come to a halt at the wreck. It will not overshoot unless you are manually flying and as soon as you try to open the wreck, via in space or overview menu, the ship will fly back and park by the wreck.

2. This one I managed to get. We have a defect for this now. Thanks!

3. Again can you please clarify how to overshoot a container when attempting to access it out of range, be as detailed as possible you can never provide enough detail.

It-¦s possible that fixing problem number 2 however will resolve the other issues. Thanks!

I have always wanted an option to liquidate to market.

Talks all the selected items and trys to sell them. instead of selling 1 Items at a time.

I would even pay a 5% surcharge for this service to pay for a Wage slave to do my Clearing house for me.

Requesting: Station warehouse analog, capable of storing ASSEMBLED ships, with audit and lock, would greatly improve corp management. Alternatively please add locking/auditing to SMAs and CHAs on POSes.

...

Requesting: Ability to HIDE things from given inventory window, i.e. customizable inventory windows. For example, i DONT need search/items count/price estimation on my ORE BAY, so can i hide that for ORE BAY window ONLY, please? Same functionality as concealing inventory tree would be great. Greatly frees precious GUI space.

Oh no, please, don't do that.
If you merge these two windows into one, the Inventory, it will be complicated to drag-and-drop items from one location to another.

Sometime you can have LOTS of items in the Assets window, if you merge them, it will be horrible to move items in the Inventory tree even if developpers add the following feature :



Instead, I would rather be able to drag-and-drop items from the Assets window to the Inventory.

Oh, and also this idea : (displaying wrecks distance in real time in the inventory)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1891572#post1891572

Why on earth would you even show them a hanger or container they have no access to, in the index tree? It's just an obstacle in the way of accomplishing any task.

All these things are nice, but there's still one change I'd like to see:

An option in the Esc-button menu to always open new windows for newly opened containers/holds/hangars. (Mimicking the old UI.)

*snip*

I think that it should be left to individual users to decide how many inventory windows they want to keep open.

...because some people actually want put items to hangars they don't have access to withdraw from. Couple examples would be "donation" to corp hangar or fleet mining / salvaging to orca without proper hangar permissions.

...and I think that OP meant to say "they don't have withdraw access to", because corp hangars always have deposit access by default.




I think that it should be left to individual users to decide how many inventory windows they want to keep open.

Q: What are you doing about lag regarding Corporate hangars and specifically the annoyance of having to collapse it's tree twice?
A: We are actively targeting all Inventory lag related issues with the key goal of making it faster and better than before the new Inventory. The Corporate hangar tree only needs a single left click on the mouse to open it and it is possible that users are clicking it twice, making it open itself, start loading the content and then reads the second mouse-click command and closes it again. This accidental open and close will hopefully be a non issue once the loading of all the content of the Corporate hangars is improved and we have changed the Corporate hangar to have itGÇÖs own root so that it is consistent with other tabs in the Index tree.

I just would like to have on little thing for the Winter-Addon in the Unfied Inventory

Names for Corporate Hangars in POSes and Ships Hangars

POS:
Name the Corporate Hangar Array like every other structure in a POS, its quite annoying when you are in WH or 0.0 in your pos, everyone has a hangar and you have to remember the position when you want to find yours?
Also pretty annonying in Unified inventory...the inventory doesnt care if the Corphangar which is on top of the POS is also on top in the inventory, so 5 times the same name, random order, confusion is perfect...not cool

Ships:
Idea one: Name the Corporate Hangars for Ships like suggested for the POS...just like i want

Idea 2: Name the Corporate Hangar with Character name + Shiptype
Example: H4kun4s Archons Corporate Hangar

Idea 3: Name it after the Ships name:
Lets name it Enterprise
Example: Enterprises Corporate Hangar

I have gone over the feedback and will try to address all of the subjects raised here:
---plenty of wise words---

CCP Arrow, I would really like if you give some love for the miners...

1 - add more information for the asteroid survey scanner, now it shows ( Ore / Quantity / Distance ), it could also show ( volume ) what would be easy to calculate using the ore type and the quantity... and could also show ( time to deplete with 1 turret / time to depleet with all turrets ) it would be easily calculated using the volume and the power of the mining turret .

2 - Add Amount of ore already mined in the cycle (when you hover the mouse over the turret icon, show how much ore it would yield if deactivated ) this would make the informations given by the survay scaner a really good differential for mining ships, and a reason to don't mine afk.

Btw, you are doing a great job with the inventory UI!!! I really like it!!!

Q: Why are filters removed when I select another Inventory?
A: That would be the Quick Filter input field. This is the default behavior of the Quick Filter, and how it used to work too. Users use it to quickly filter something from a certain inventory and if they want to move to another inventory, the input field gets cleared so the user doesn't have to go and clear it manually every time. This is a common behavior of Quick filters. If you want to use the same filter to search multiple inventories we encourage you to use the Smart filters tab, those are specifically designed to use across multiple inventories with the same filter criteria.

Um, they added this feature a while back -- around the time of the Unified Inventory, if I recall correctly.

You can rename all POS structures now. We have Corporate Supplies, Main Array of Ships, etc. I've even renamed our guns and defensive modules to make them easier to use in tower defense.

It even shows up in the Unified Inventory.

You probably need the Configure Starbase Equipment role assigned. Then, have at it!

Hi could you clarify some of these points.

1. If you select open cargo and turn on your MWD, the ship will come to a halt at the wreck. It will not overshoot unless you are manually flying and as soon as you try to open the wreck, via in space or overview menu, the ship will fly back and park by the wreck.

2. This one I managed to get. We have a defect for this now. Thanks!

3. Again can you please clarify how to overshoot a container when attempting to access it out of range, be as detailed as possible you can never provide enough detail.

It-¦s possible that fixing problem number 2 however will resolve the other issues. Thanks!

Excellent! (on the defect for #2)

Try #1 with something fast, around 2km/s. It happens regularly with cruisers. In particular I get it with an Ishtar with 3 nanofibers fitted in the lows. I imagine a Vagabond would have the same issue. I have also seen it with a Hurricane (one nano) on MWD.

Unless you're using a slow ship, you most certainly do not just stop at a container - you'll overshoot it by some amount. And IIRC, the client doesn't re-approach and try again since it thinks it already tried to open the container.

What I've noticed is that the "trigger" to actually open the cargo container doesn't seem to happen until you are within 500m (or has some sort of delay), even though 2500m is close enough to actually open the cargo. But by the time my ship is at 500m, and the client sees I am <500m away and auto-sends the signal to the server to finally open, I've overshot the container by 2500m+ on the other side according to the server.

It's possible this whole timing issue is magnified just enough by latency such that Europeans wouldn't experience it, but someone in the US, like myself, does.

The auto-jump on warp-to-gate also misjudges range or something. I did a lot of flying through gates this weekend, and often I would land at ~1500m from a gate (well within jump range) and the client would report "approaching xxx gate" before jumping, even though I was already in jump range. (This is with autopilot off - I never use it. It was simply using the warp&jump buttons)

Thanks for looking into this!

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Inventory Usability Iteration

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• Resizing the Inventory window will behave like other windows instead of scaling all tabs proportionally

We also have more tasks lined up for adding value to the Inventory as a feature. It is currently prioritized lower than the usability improvements, but let us know your thoughts on them:

Inventory Feature Iteration

• Users can see which POS and wrecks are in range and can be interacted with
• Users see a restrictions Icon in the Index Tree for the corporate hangars and containers they don't have access to

100 ISK for the first person to tell me exactly where this currently is. I suspect most people simply don't know or cant find it.

1) Everything doesn't have to be so easy. Mining is boring enough already without nerfing the only actual math you can do in background while mining. If you want to mine more efficiently - learn to think while you do it.

2) Read above. You can estimate the amount in your head already and cycle the laser in mid cycle as often your capacitor allows. If you're running out of cap, the orca is there to give you a boost. That is for what it is made..

Reposting this b/c it keeps being ignored in every stage of development feedback (posted by myself and many others since day ONE of SiSi Pre-Alpha tests)

#1
Main Inventory Screen, seriously needs to remember its own state of open/closed between Dock and Undock. This means that when i have my item hanger open in Main Inventory (while docked), then i undock, i do not what it to try to show it to me as soon as i get into space, then failing to do so (b/c it is 'no longer in reach'), it reverts to my ships cargo-hold. Which i already have open and smaller on the side!!! I don't need two of them.

Then when i dock again, since i closed the space window b/c it was showing me the second copy of my cargo, i have to re-open the Main Inventory, only for it to show me my ship's cargo (again, which i already have a smaller copy of open). This needs to be separate. There should be no connection between what each instance tries to show you.

#2
Corp hanger button on station services, please. Also, give us back the default corp hanger tabs upon opening "corp hanger" this tree stuff is for the birds.

And now to the sorta addressed issue...

When you say "compact" does that mean it will remove the HUGE borders around the inventory? Most of us who try to manage large amounts of things could care less about all those fancy shinies, we just want to see our items (even moreso when we need more smaller windows, which are less possible with current border sizes)

#4
All that wasted space around the cargo window. I know you want to put fancy buttons there, but please give us the option to have them not-there when we don't want them. They take up soo much room. Point in case as stated previously in thread, Why do we need search and all those other fancies in the ORE HOLD? I can understand cargo amount, but correct me if i'm wrong, it never took up that much space before Uni-Inv. Space efficiency is key since you (CCP seem to be at war with non-cluttered GUI's)

Also, since you seem to be insisting on forcing this "estimated price" into every single inventory screen, can you please fix it to be sorta even remotely accurate. And please, don't ask for examples until after you actually attempt to play this game you are working on. The previous response about the overshooting cargo can would have been rather comical if th fact you are that disconnected from the workings of this game is that obvious.

#1
We are currently working on defining the behavior and we have a use case that would be good to get input on from the players. If a player undocks from Station A with an Inventory window open showing his Corporate hangar, then that same window will of course be open when he docks to Station A again. But if the corporation has an office in Station B as well, should that inventory then also be open and look exactly the same when the user docks there? Making the Corporate hangar Inventory window between these two separate stations essentially be the same one.

Furthermore. Let's say a user has an Inventory window open showing a Station container which is located in the Corporate hangar of Station A. He undocks, and then docks into Station B, where the corporation also has an office, just like in the earlier example. But this specific Station container that was left open in Station A, isn't available in Station B. Should the Inventory window then not open up at all? Since the specific location that was open in Station A isn't available anymore. Or should it have the Inventory window open and just show the Division that the Station container from Station A was in?

Q: I need my screen space, make the Inventory less cluttered!
A: We have a plan to make a toggle button next to the 'Pin' button which will toggle between Compact and Normal mode. The Compact mode will only include the items of your selected inventory and nothing else. All settings will however persist, but users will not see what they are unless they toggle to Normal mode. There they can then see if things are being filtered, what view is being used and such. Users that want the ability to make some inventories more compact, like the active ship's cargo hold will most likely remember all their settings so we decided it would be best to have the compact view as compact as possible, with no additional info, making it even more compact then the original Inventory window.

Q: The Quick Actions, I don't see the benefits from your mockup. What is it for?
A: The mockup was only used to illustrate where they would be located, what actual options we will have there has not been ironed out yet but some of the things we are excited about are things like 'Sell All', 'Empty' and 'Stack All'. Input from you, the players can greatly affect what options we might put there in the future.

#5
The Estimated Price is gotten by taking 3 months weighted universal average of all fulfilled market orders, recalculated every two weeks.

1) Everything doesn't have to be so easy. Mining is boring enough already without nerfing the only actual math you can do in background while mining. If you want to mine more efficiently - learn to think while you do it.

2) Read above. You can estimate the amount in your head already and cycle the laser in mid cycle as often your capacitor allows. If you're running out of cap, the orca is there to give you a boost. That is for what it is made..

Does that mean the main inventory screen will be forced closed at every dock/undock unless it is showing the same thing. Which means that now we'll have to open the inventory each time?

Point #2...

So, your answer is to clutter the neocom even more? (i say this b/c you are apparently adding lots of individual Neocom button for each inventory windows) Why can't you just put it back on the station services screen where it used to reside?

Also, not quite understanding the "root" part of that, does that mean that now it will be more of a "windows" type of file system, a root folder with the divisions listed as folder icons within that folder? (somehow w/o the tree) Why can't we have the tabs back, like hitting the corp hanger button once, and having instant access to each division tab, w/o having to open them individually.

1) As I said, it is simple math, no need to think, just trow in a excell spreadsheet, as I do. So math making for mining IS BORING! and the UI make it a pain. And how inproving the UI would nerf something!? If you don't wan't to use it, don't use it. But it makes no sense we receive so crap quality information. That is why most people afk mine, because it is just not worth.

2) THIS shows that you probably use multiple accounts and/or mine afk the whole day. And don't wan't people that are not afk nor multiboxing to have an advantage over you that will probably have issues managing x accounts. '

The last one that trolled me like you did now was complaining about my suggestion on " recovery drones when disconnect " and it was a good idea, because as this idea here, it makes the gaming experience better. So, get some good arguments before trowing some rocks. Or if you think that is fun to have a bad UI go play another game becouse EVE devs are constantly making the game better!

We are adding a new category to the EVE Menu called 'Inventory'.

Any chance you can add another new category called 'Date' so we can have our date back on the Neocom?

2. How has no one mentioned the left right scroll bar yet? where is it and why don't we have one for every screen? I have two 23 inch widescreens, and i still have to resize nearly every window to see all the information that i want/need to see. Or if i dont and expand the window to where i can see all the information, i cant use any other window at the same time.
-> Inventory windows
-> Corp Management windows
-> Science and Industry window
-> Overview
-> Market
-> Compare items window

6. Window stack minimization remembers stacking and expands back to stack (corp hanger/warehouse cans stack list separately with no way to reopen all as a stack, can be opened individually back to stack but not as a group)

We (meaning a bunch of players) bugged them about this a few months ago. They added the date to a tool-tip on the clock, so when you hover over the clock you see the date. I'd still like the date back the way it used to be, but glad at least for the tool-tip date.

All Inventories will have their own individual ID. If you are viewing your Ship hangar, Item hangar or Corporate hangar when undocking, those Inventory locations are not available while in space. So instead of the windows staying open in space, they close themselves down until you dock again. Then they will be as you left them. So if you left them open, they are open.
The old behavior was to have them open but change the inventory location to the cargo hold of the active ship, because that is the default Inventory location of your ship, which is the only Inventory you have access to by default in space. Players have been asking us to take that out because they might already have an Inventory of their active ship open and don't need multiple instances of the same thing. What should we do with it instead of closing it while you are in space? If it's content isn't in space.

Currently the UI is extremely cryptic about which player behaviors will cause inventory location windows to open separately and which player behaviors will cause inventory locations to overwrite the existing inventory window.

For example: looting a wreck. Pushing Loot All button will sometimes cause the window to remain and begin showing the contents of Cargo. Other times the window will disappear. What needs to be done to get the game to do one thing or the other is non-obvious. Another example: sometimes if the inventory window is open showing Cargo, and a Ship Maintenance Array is opened, the Cargo window disappears and begins showing the contents of the Array. Other times it does not, and two windows appear, even if SHIFT was not pressed when opening the Array. (as an aside, having to press SHIFT by default to open a new window is really poor design! The access buttons should not require modifiers by default.)

Please give us a universal way for the player to open inventory windows such that they will not suddenly begin showing other places in the inventory. Let it be obvious and expected when that is about to happen. Let us be able to, for example, pin the Cargo window in a certain location such that, when Cargo is opened, it always forms a new window in this location without having to SHIFT click. And also such that other inventory windows not showing Cargo will not suddenly begin to show Cargo, even if Cargo is not currently visible when they do this. And let us be able to do that for every inventory location, not just Cargo.

In short, give us the old inventory window functionality back.

Hi all,

Just a note on all these changes. There will be another incoming slice of the winter expansion coming to Duality in the near future (next couple of weeks). This build will likely include a number of changes to the Unified Inventory that we are working on. It would be great if when the build hits the test servers you guys (and gals) could jump on in, to let us know if we are headed down the right path.

More information will be forthcoming closer to the actual date.

First, and most importantly, thank you for the communication and the opportunity to provide feedback.

BUT I need to ask the question: how can we -- as clients and active participants in this project -- trust CCP to follow through on legitimate feedback provided?

We gave CCP a ton of use-case based feedback before the revised UI was released back in May of this year and we were ignored. We gave CCP even more feedback and use-case based testing in the weeks following the Inferno release and we were given lip service and falsehoods by your lead designer (he who shall not be named). UI-related defects have remained open, unfiltered and unaddressed for *months* at this point.

So, how is this Fall's project work and CCP - client interaction different? Why should we invest our time reviewing your work when very recent history shows that CCP places extraordinary little value on its customers' time and experience with their product?

Also, when fitting a large number of ships I've noticed a context issue between the index and my hanger. For example, if I fit 15 Thrashers, I will have 15 "Susan Black's Thrasher" in my index, and 15 Thrasher icons in my hanger, but the third Thrasher in the index is NOT the same as the third icon in my hanger's view.

So, if half the thrashers have EMP, and half have Phased Plasma, and I want to trade the ones with Phased Plasma by dragging them into a trade window, I can't click on each one in the context and then drag the corresponding one in my item bay...I have to manually right click and open the bay to see which one is which.

All Inventory windows are unique and always persist their shape, size & position between sessions

just for understanding: does that mean, that if i open a container, ship, what ever, it will open a NEW window and i DO NOT have to press shift, which i have to do in 95+% of all cases using the inventory UI.

That functionality has been in game for a couple months.
Its in the Inventory window options .menu

CCP I would like for you guys to give asteroid survay scaners some more love: Give the results some more information, like remaining volume and maybe approximate isk value of the stack.

Please CCP arrow, tel me that it is not difficult and can be done in a couple of hours!!!!

Tools for Power Users

For those that use the Inventory for heavy duty work, we have some nice tools.

First off, if you havenGÇÖt tried the Cut & Paste feature, itGÇÖs quite handy:

Select the items you want to move or simply use Ctrl-A to select everything
Hit Ctrl-X to cut the items
Open the destination inventory
Hit Ctrl-V to move the items

99 ISK for Grideris!

1 ISK subtracted as you actually need to be the CEO to change them :)

^ this is nice. Thanks for the exact "how to". Now the POS arrays all adopt the same 7 division names. Can it be done so, that we can rename each division in each array separately?

sometimes it's not available at all (available 30% of the time).

it is rarely available when I'm docked in captain's quarters mode (availalbe less than 10% of the time).

Just realized what pisses me off in the game the most!

Why cant the MWD module turn red when you are warp scrambled?? So you have visual feedback when its available and when not?

Have a good day!

What matters the most?.