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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:33:00 -
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Why would an alliance disband after being trapped in dec shield? If you are actually trapped then you are fine; if you join like holeysheet1 did then you aren't. Way too many trapped pirate/griefer/merc corps for anyone joining dec shield to be a threat.
Now if a legit corp were to actually join dec shield to get some targets then I would definitely approve of that.They would hold a trade hub for a day and then all of us tired of the notifications would travel there and take out our frustration Hell we even sat in jita in hopes of a "pro station pvper" to undock and think he owned the place. Our wish was never granted to say the least. Instead we went back to killing red fed and eve uni.
Zerg, something I do miss is the old mechanics. It was actually fun joining your alliance the day before the inferno patch and then waking up with 70 wars that were extended for a week! Those were the days..... People still accuse us of being carebears since we were in dec shield pre inferno
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Kronic Offender
Solarise Flares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:41:00 -
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The war dec system needs to be temporarily placed on hold as it is broken. A new system that allows corps to deny the war dec needs to be developed in it's place. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
380
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Posted - 2012.11.02 21:11:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:Why would an alliance disband after being trapped in dec shield? If you are actually trapped then you are fine; if you join like holeysheet1 did then you aren't. Way too many trapped pirate/griefer/merc corps for anyone joining dec shield to be a threat. Now if a legit corp were to actually join dec shield to get some targets then I would definitely approve of that.They would hold a trade hub for a day and then all of us tired of the notifications would travel there and take out our frustration Hell we even sat in jita in hopes of a "pro station pvper" to undock and think he owned the place. Our wish was never granted to say the least. Instead we went back to killing red fed and eve uni. Zerg, something I do miss is the old mechanics. It was actually fun joining your alliance the day before the inferno patch and then waking up with 70 wars that were extended for a week! Those were the days..... People still accuse us of being carebears since we were in dec shield pre inferno They disbanded the alliance because they plan to reform a new alliance that isn't trapped with a wardec. But they'll need to disband their current corps as well first.
And pre-Inferno we had a number of pvpers in Dec Shield. I would offer to share all our wars with you, but you're a corp so I can't give them to you. We have a different set of pvpers now, because all the old pvpers are trapped by us in corps, and thus can't get access to our wars. I think the only large pvp entity that is actually making use of our wars is Moar Tears. There are plenty of smaller ones in alliance and floating about though.
For pvpers who want to join Dec Shield but don't know what corp to join, I recommend one of these:
Wiking Brigade My L1ttl3 Pony Blades of Doom Lethal Death Squad
I don't know which are the most active or anything though Burn Highsec Griefers |
JustAnotherPlaceHolder
Content Providers
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:52:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Ya I just noticed this. So it sent you an email saying your war target was joining an alliance? Because if so that's new, and one of our proposed changes. If they ended the war before I hit accept on their application the war won't even register against Dec Shield.
I believe it's even possible to be at war with corporations in an alliance without being at war with the alliance, for up to 24hrs, if the war starts to end right before they join the alliance. I know I've seen it before, but can't remember the exact mechanics to reproduce it off the top of my head.
Edit: If CCP changes mechanics to stop this that doesn't ruin anything. That IS our goal here. Dec Shield has only ever been around to demonstrate loopholes in wardec mechanics. If there are no more loopholes and everything gets fixed then our mission is accomplished and everyone can celebrate. Basic order of operations was: defender corp surrenders, I accept, I get the mail that says war ends in 24hrs. About 3 or 4 hrs later, I get the mail that says defender has joined an alliance and I'll be at war with the alliance.
I get back today and right this minute the war dec vs the defender corp is over. The alliance dec starts (or is scheduled to start) at 00:04. So we'll see in 2 hrs.
I wasn't asking what you'll do if they fix wardecs, but what you'll do if they don't. Having read the post above about dead corps, it looks like you're out of options! lol
Interesting approach to solving this problem. I hope it works. I can think of some other things that could use the ad absurdum treatment. |
JustAnotherPlaceHolder
Content Providers
2
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:23:00 -
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As of 00:21. exactly 24hrs after receiving the defender joining alliance mail, no decs have transferred. The defender corp doesn't show as in the alliance nor does it show it in its alliance history, so maybe there's a timing thing.
edit: 01:15, defender corp is now in Dec Shield. Still no wars for us. Looks like the evemail may get sent no matter what.
edit: 02:11, still no wars. so confirming defender corp that surrenders before being accepted into the alliance doesn't draw the aggressor into the dec shield, but eve mail warning is still sent.
have fun guys |
Eve Scion
Time To Cry
0
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Posted - 2012.11.03 10:07:00 -
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I left manually the alliance after you absorbed my wardec thank you sooo much BUT :
I got back all the wars of the alliance 170 wardec in my Mailbox i set all absorbed wars to non-mutual manually (damn...)
how long I have to wait so that these wars stop ? Because I have half of the galaxy on the bottom
sorry for my crappy english
Best Regard |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
585
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Posted - 2012.11.03 10:46:00 -
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I hope this gets sorted soon.
This is probably the biggest in-game ****-up facing Eve at the moment. Let's hope they can find some development times to fix this for retribution. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Ben Youssef Noban
Sons of the Prophet
9
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Posted - 2012.11.03 13:10:00 -
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3 weeks from the time Goonswarm Federation gets infected will be the fix (but it probably won't be a very good one).
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VegasMirage
247
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Posted - 2012.11.03 17:35:00 -
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Consequences. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
JustAnotherPlaceHolder
Content Providers
2
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Posted - 2012.11.03 17:57:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Consequences. Allow me to finish your sentence...
Consequences... there are none. (If you planned ahead to drop corp)
Once again, as with the old war dec system, the only people war decs affect are those who are attached to their corp name or have a POS they can't take down quickly. Wardecs affect no one else with half a brain.
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Eve Scion
Time To Cry
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:09:00 -
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No solution to my problem? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
380
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:23:00 -
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Eve Scion wrote:No solution to my problem? The wardecs will drop off within a week. Some will drop off sooner, many will offer surrenders. I'm afraid there's no way to avoid the wardecs copying in both directions, yet...
Ben Youssef Noban wrote:3 weeks from the time Goonswarm Federation gets infected will be the fix (but it probably won't be a very good one). Goonswarm are actually trapped in an outgoing wardec, but not against us. Going on two weeks now, so next week we should hear a solution :P Burn Highsec Griefers |
Megos Adriano
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
25
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:32:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Faction navies are easily avoided. People can still camp stations quite easily. Except they don't with any frequency.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=259003
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=751830 And boom goes the dynamite. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
883
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:49:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Eve Scion wrote:No solution to my problem? The wardecs will drop off within a week. Some will drop off sooner, many will offer surrenders. I'm afraid there's no way to avoid the wardecs copying in both directions, yet... Ben Youssef Noban wrote:3 weeks from the time Goonswarm Federation gets infected will be the fix (but it probably won't be a very good one). Goonswarm are actually trapped in an outgoing wardec, but not against us. Going on two weeks now, so next week we should hear a solution :P
Aren't you underestimating how much Goonswarm would like to have all high sec valid target without concord intervention?
At least it's what we can read all around the forum from some GS players but I actually doubt. brb |
Eve Scion
Time To Cry
0
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Posted - 2012.11.03 21:50:00 -
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Thank you for your reply zerg but it is a bug or it is normal?
How to survive in these conditions for a young corporation ?
Next time i would lead the war in a conventional way... |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
281
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Posted - 2012.11.04 12:44:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I hope this gets sorted soon.
This is probably the biggest in-game ****-up facing Eve at the moment. Let's hope they can find some development times to fix this for retribution.
It's p. bad. CCP do know about it of course and hopefully they're working or at least thinking of a solution.
In the mean time, grab your shotguns! The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
KushHaze
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:16:00 -
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What a great thread, sounds like something RvB could get into. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
218
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:04:00 -
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I can't wait till Decshield and all participants realize they're no match for Goons.
This will be way more fun than watching Jita burn. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
381
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:00:00 -
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KushHaze wrote:What a great thread, sounds like something RvB could get into. RvB is already involved, we have both sides trapped against us.
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I can't wait till Decshield and all participants realize they're no match for Goons.
This will be way more fun than watching Jita burn. Goonswarm is trapped by someone else, not us
Eve Scion wrote:Thank you for your reply zerg but it is a bug or it is normal?
How to survive in these conditions for a young corporation ?
Next time i would lead the war in a conventional way... But doing things conventionally is so dull Burn Highsec Griefers |
Eve Scion
Time To Cry
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:11:00 -
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This presumed Removal Wardec system is a pure trap...
we are in deep **** because i simply wanted to protect my young corporation of a free and potential mortal agression by a PVP Corp in High Sec...
In the end we have half of the galaxy against us just for avoid one war wtf that system sucks
Without speaking about morons who try to take advantage of it. |
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:53:00 -
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Eve Scion wrote:This presumed Removal Wardec system is a pure trap...
we are in deep **** because i simply wanted to protect my young corporation of a free and potential mortal agression by a PVP Corp in High Sec...
In the end we have half of the galaxy against us just for avoid one war wtf that system sucks
Without speaking about morons who try to take advantage of it.
I wish simply the peace and return to the anonymity.
This occurred because you did not properly research what you were getting yourself into, and you were looking to take advantage of a mechanic that was also already fixed for being horribly broken as well.
On a positive note, whoever decced you first is now trapped with Dec Shield, presuming they weren't before you joined Dec Shield. If they were prior to, then this is just hilarious. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
384
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:14:00 -
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"Hi, I'm a one month old player with my own 1 person corp. I was recently wardec'd by some griefers who see me as an easy target (I'm writing this while trapped in a station). Please make their life a living hell. And thanks for offering such a great service. --- "
*Accepted his app* *Goes from being camped in station by 8 players to being camped in by 11,000 players* http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg Burn Highsec Griefers |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
393
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Posted - 2012.11.05 10:17:00 -
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Exploit of the day:
Building off the previous bug of allowing dead corporations into alliance, apparently you can make identical copies of those corporations at the same time.
Step 1.) Make a corporation Step 2.) Apply to join alliance Step 3.) Alliance hits accept on your application Step 4.) Disband the corporation Step 5.) Reform the corporation with identical name, ticker, etc Step 6.) Repeat steps 2-5 as many times as desired Step 7.) Enjoy your clones
The test corp used was "Unstable Mitosis [XPLTR]" founded by "The Cloner"
http://mobileinfantry.free.fr/pics/would-you-like-to-know-more.jpg Burn Highsec Griefers |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:15:00 -
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I'm so glad the CSM and CCP Soundwave spent so long perfecting the Inferno 1.1 wardec changes to prevent abuse of the system.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
120
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:24:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Bienator II wrote:don't call it dec shield. call it "its a trap" or "ackbar foundation" lol good names, but Dec Shield is what we have, notorious and evil. We've just acquired our first war with a sov holding nullsec alliance. I'm sure they'll be most displeased tomorrow when they learn that they're permanently screwed. The tears of our enemies will sustain us. By the time we're through with the game, the act of declaring war will be so hideous and unthinkable that wardecs will stop entirely. CCP will once again be forced to change wardec mechanics to stop us. Start the countdown.
Lol, where do I sign up to invest in this? Or do you take donations? |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
104
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:24:00 -
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so what's this rumour about TEST being trapped? c/d? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
405
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:35:00 -
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TEST has just taken on 9 mutual wardecs of their choosing:
Manifest Destiny. C0VEN One. The Marmite Collective The Hollow Men Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap The Skunkworks Kicking Smurfs Spatial Distortions
They obtained these wars from Dec Shield and brought them back to their alliance. TEST is however NOT trapped. TEST are the defending side in these wars. So if the wars don't work out for them they can selective unmutual and drop them. I am surprised that they would willingly choose to have mutual wars with so many highsec griefers though. It will be quite interesting for the chosen 9 :P Burn Highsec Griefers |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
4
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Posted - 2012.11.06 01:51:00 -
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I feel unworthy of not being chosen :(
But...... guerrilla warfare is the worst warfare!
btw: I feel special to live in the time of zerg. He has a doctorate in warfare and a masters in concord law. Nothing gets by him |
Not Xolve
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:36:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:TEST has just taken on 9 mutual wardecs of their choosing:
Manifest Destiny. C0VEN One. The Marmite Collective The Hollow Men Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap The Skunkworks Kicking Smurfs Spatial Distortions
They obtained these wars from Dec Shield and brought them back to their alliance. TEST is however NOT trapped. TEST are the defending side in these wars. So if the wars don't work out for them they can selective unmutual and drop them. I am surprised that they would willingly choose to have mutual wars with so many highsec griefers though. It will be quite interesting for the chosen 9 :P
Because out of alliance logistics are hard right? |
Kc Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
73
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:43:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:TEST has just taken on 9 mutual wardecs of their choosing:
Manifest Destiny. C0VEN One. The Marmite Collective The Hollow Men Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap The Skunkworks Kicking Smurfs Spatial Distortions
They obtained these wars from Dec Shield and brought them back to their alliance. TEST is however NOT trapped. TEST are the defending side in these wars. So if the wars don't work out for them they can selective unmutual and drop them. I am surprised that they would willingly choose to have mutual wars with so many highsec griefers though. It will be quite interesting for the chosen 9 :P
who the fck is test, and why should I care? I call shenanigans good sir.
Regards,
..:):-)
D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
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