They don't all bail. Only about 20% of our victims have bailed. And since we'll continue to accumulate them, the choice of highsec targets we're holding captive will only get better. Some entities will never be able to escape or disband like the nullsec alliances. If any of them are foolish enough to declare wars they'll end up screwed.

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

Yes, because they won't be able to recruit new corps into their alliance.

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

But these aren't just normal wars we're holding over them, these are outgoing wars. And alliance with an outgoing war CANNOT recruit another corporation to the alliance, ever again. If any corporations ever leave that alliance, they'll also have outgoing wars. A corporation with an outgoing war CANNOT join an alliance, ever again.

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

Hey was it before or after the change that forced the highsec corps to drop the wardecs on goons, that they started to suicide gank in niarja with their mains????

During that Wardec, weren't they too busy with HAG suicide ganking Hulks?

Fine you say, so they deserve that. But these aren't just normal wars we're holding over them, these are outgoing wars. And alliance with an outgoing war CANNOT recruit another corporation to the alliance, ever again. If any corporations ever leave that alliance, they'll also have outgoing wars. A corporation with an outgoing war CANNOT join an alliance, ever again.

RIP C0ven.

EDIT : ZO, will you make your maths ? You can beat Privateer's wardec record !

During that Wardec, weren't they too busy with HAG suicide ganking Hulks?

If an alliance with outgoing wars cant accept new corporation, how are corporations able to join Dec Shield and spread new wars then?

EDIT : ZO, will you make your maths ? You can beat Privateer's wardec record !

Wait, seriously?

Jesus Christ CCP.

You mean because there was only a short time frame of 2 months before the patch when this was possible rather than ALL the years when they were wardecced?

Whe?

I was responding to the claim that suicide ganking freighters was only possible because they weren't wardecced. I pointed out that, during the last big wardec they weren't suicide ganking freighters because they were too busy suicide ganking exhumers.

As a big old bonus, being wardecced would not affect their suicide gank strategies with Freighters either (from what I understand, they spend most of their time logged off to avoid ze faction Popo, only logging in once the target is picked and bumped off the gate).

Yes and i made the claim because they arent doing by alpha strikes. They are using the cheapest hull they can get, catalysts, brutixes, and bump things offgate to get as much time as possible. If they were wardecced, they would have to switch to arty ships and get one shot off on the gate, or do it with alts out of alliance. But they, being goonswarm, crave for attention, so doing it in alt characters is out of the questions and we wouldnt have a 20 pages long "goon freighter suicide gank" thread.

As to the hulkageddon thing, it wasnt an operation in one system, you cant hunt catalysts in whole eve. But you can camp a single system and wait for their freighter ganking squad. And they were constantly and repeatedly wardecced by different highsec griefing corps/alliances, probably for longer than 5 hulkageddon durations combined.

You actually think that a wardec makes any impact at all on a nullsec alliance?

Yes, I'm quite positive that wardecs have massive effects on nullsec alliances. Moar Tears demonstrated this over and over again by killing dozens of jump freighters every month that belonged to nullsec alliances. Nullsec alliances don't have military arms in highsec, thus their lowbies get picked off regularily.

Fine you say, so they deserve that. But these aren't just normal wars we're holding over them, these are outgoing wars. And alliance with an outgoing war CANNOT recruit another corporation to the alliance, ever again. If any corporations ever leave that alliance, they'll also have outgoing wars. A corporation with an outgoing war CANNOT join an alliance, ever again.

Meh, we're more likely to end up at war with you guys. It's not going to be a huge difference either way tbh. We joined DS last time around and didn't see jack **** for like 3 weeks.

Widders you did it wrong cuz my crew got like 20 bill in kills with Dec Shield (we had this convo already)

and yes this "tarp" Zerg set up can easily be translated into an infinite source of tears

combined with my corp jumping tactics this can be a devastating strategy

edit: inb4 here are the reasons why you and your crew didn't kill anything when in Dec Shield

editedit: inb4 Jita camping isn't an option (l33tsauce do it differently)

This is the only real drawback of a perma war. But it can be easily bypassed by creating a sacrificial corp and joining it in order to join null sec ally. After you get bored you can just disband the corp and join your old one as wars don't follow players.

On the other hand c0ven can now wardec their null sec enemies without any remorse. Our war with tribal band was a nice change of pace. We had tons of fun and can now say that null sec is a lot better place for pvp

On the topic of mechanics one simple change would solve the issue and made the wardecs work as intended. In case of mutual war both sides should be flagged as aggressors. Both the aggressor and defender have to make a conscious decision about declaring war on each other. Only way to get out of war would be surrender or disband for both sides of the conflict which in my opinion would make the system fair.

Have to correct one thing:
Alliances with outgoing wars can still accept corporations. Ive tested this the last 2 days. However, corps with outgoing wars cant apply to alliances.
I support the change, that in a mutual war both sides should be counted aggressors though.

And here you see the OCD plagued part of me whining that all these wardecs make the war history look bad, even with no interactions in those wars :(((

Well, if this is a know issue, and some people are abusing it, ( Despite the fact that this is really fun) , there should be some disciplinary actions over the abusers sooner or latter... maybe some acc bans? and tears?

Apparently if you've got too many wardecs the UI breaks and you can't scroll to the bottom of the menu to accept the corp:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1210/2012.10.01.21.14.23.jpg

luckily you can still use the keyboard to blindly hit accept :)