Wardec mechanics are like swiss cheese - full of holes

Nothing really changes for c0ven as we did not expect to escape the mutual war with Penumbra Institute anyway. But the idea is funny.

You are both welcome to join Dec Shield at your leisure to siphon off our wars and bring them back to your own corps/alliances. Since you can get exact copies of our wars, we can continue to spread these wars between countless entities in the game, never allowing any to escape.

Last night we trapped C0VEN alliance into a permanent wardec from which they'll never escape. We also had 'Bridgeburnners' disband to avoid being permanently trapped. They reformed into Rock Hard Innovations, when they start another war we'll have them again. We're also getting continuous surrender offers from VR Corp, P I R A T, Die Wildgaense, etc etc. I've been deleting notifications because there are too many. The tears must flow.

You are both welcome to join Dec Shield at your leisure to siphon off our wars and bring them back to your own corps/alliances. Since you can get exact copies of our wars, we can continue to spread these wars between countless entities in the game, never allowing any to escape.

Last night we trapped C0VEN alliance into a permanent wardec from which they'll never escape. We also had 'Bridgeburnners' disband to avoid being permanently trapped. They reformed into Rock Hard Innovations, when they start another war we'll have them again. We're also getting continuous surrender offers from VR Corp, P I R A T, Die Wildgaense, etc etc. I've been deleting notifications because there are too many. The tears must flow.

I'm afraid if I join I'll wake up one day with you standing over me with that look on your face.

I'm afraid if I join I'll wake up one day with you standing over me with that look on your face.

People tell me I have a trustworthy face

Looks like you managed to pick up some tears on the Suggestions forum.....

Waaaa Mum, make the game change to suit me.

I cannot help but applaud the way you make "creative" use of the highsec wardec mechanics. Keep it up!

I understand why you're doing this, and I support your efforts, even though we're likely to get trapped in a war with Dec Shield sooner rather than later.

I do lament for the state of empire pvp, however. After having been here for so long, it really bums me out to know that it will only get worse and worse as time goes on. It's ridiculous that CCP considers being stuck in a blanket war "risk" while affording the defenders full control over their own and the aggressors' movements.

I can swallow being stuck in a permanent war, but why exactly should the original targets be allowed to leave an alliance that sets the war mutual? This mechanic, along with corp-hopping, provides defenders with total immunity. If the defenders time their actions just right, then it's impossible to even have a time window in which they can be aggressed. Between hopping alliances and remaking corporations, it's impossible to even have a chance of shooting your targets, despite paying by the person (CCP's words, not mine) to do so.

Will this particular "feature" be addressed at some point in the future? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it will. The real question is, at the expense of what?

Any corporations that drop out of C0VEN I believe will remain in permanent outgoing wardecs, and never be able to join an alliance again (corps with outgoing wars can't join alliances).

What the ****, are you for real? Is that the way it actually works? I'm not into alliance stuff, so I don't have firsthand experience, but is this the way it works now?

How is this even a thing? :\

It's truly sad to see how fast we can spread these wars. C0VEN was at war with Penumbra Institute (a 13 man corp that was harassing them), and C0VEN wanted to pursue them into highsec for vengeance. Now C0VEN is trapped in 7 wars, and that number will only escalate. Any corporations that drop out of C0VEN I believe will remain in permanent outgoing wardecs, and never be able to join an alliance again (corps with outgoing wars can't join alliances).

I'm pretty sure that's how it works, but I haven't explicitly tested it yet. The more ways I carve it, the more ways I find our victims are screwed.

If this is really how it works i see no future for your business because there is no way this wont be taken as an exploit and fixed.

Could it be that that is his intention?

That's the reason DecShield 1.0 was formed, so it stands to reason...

Wow you must have loads of kills.

Let me count them up....0+0+0+0+0+0+0 x 10 = 0

I would be impressed if you were achieving anything. Unfortunatley it seems unsuspecting corps are falling for this drivel and realising they themselves face not just one hostile but however many you have 'Trapped'

I wonder how many have closed because of this. Looking at the membership of the corps that have joined and left you since this new mechanic has been in place it would seem you are having the opposite effect to what you claim to be providing.

I think all three of us might be operating under a too-optimistic assumption that CCP wants to preserve pvp in high-sec.

If this is really how it works i see no future for your business because there is no way this wont be taken as an exploit and fixed.

Many of you may recall the "forever war" that the Goons and others got trapped in shortly after these new mechanics were put in place, where the Goons dec'd (aggressed) a corp, and that corp made the war both mutual and open to allies, locking them into a never-ceasing war with potentially unlimited numbers joining it against them, for free. CCP nipped that in the bud, and now we have ally contracts lasting only 2 weeks, they cost ISK, and mutual wars now allow no allies. I believe this situation to be no different from that, and hope CCP acts equally as quickly to address it.

/T

Mutual wars ostensibly allow no allies... but the sad fact is that the mutual status of the war can be toggled at will without limitation: the war can be made mutual only as often as it needs to be to continue its free status, and allies can be piled on as desired at all other times.

Mutual status of a war needs to be only toggleable twice: once turned on, then off again, it must be impossible to re-mutual. Engaging mutual status in a war must drop all allies from the war, and perhaps even make it impossible from then on to accept any allies after it has been made non-mutual again.

I'm pretty sure most of us expected it to look something like that but were sorely disappointed when it came to light just how incomplete the nuances of the mechanics really were.