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Mizhir
Red Federation
608
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:58:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Mizhir wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:So RvB - RED Federation has just disbanded (3000 players), and we just stole their alliance name so they can't reform. If only there were some mechanic in place to prevent these alliances from being permanently trapped in wars. I'm not even sure they can reform into a new alliance because they're still stuck in outgoing wars. Sorry. I cant hear you for all the frigs popping in poinen. Did you say anything important? b/c you're a 3 system hopping gate hugging solo pvp artist?
And your point is? If you are having Smurf problems I feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but a Blue aint one.
Dude, where is my alliance? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
494
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:09:00 -
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The retract war option is NOT ENOUGH as I've so eloquently explained so many times over the past few weeks:
Novermber 11th posted initial exploit theory November 22nd seeking clarification for the new exploit November 30th official announcement of new exploit November 30th feedback to devs officially announcing new exploit November 30th directly emailed devs explicitly outlining the exploit and stating that the changes weren't enough Dev posts claiming wardec trapping no longer possible. Unclear if he's aware of new exploit December 4th experimental evidence documenting viability of exploit December 4th raising public awareness December 4th email response from dev claiming things should be fixed. This is direct response to email about new exploit
Burn Highsec Griefers |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
784
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:59:00 -
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Hrm so I wonder what they did in relation to the claim that they fixed it. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
784
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:04:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Today (or sometime soon) marks the birth of RvB - Red Federationdot
Red Swarm Federation |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:38:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Shylari Avada wrote:Today (or sometime soon) marks the birth of RvB - Red Federationdot Red Swarm Federation
Needs more dots and zeros.
Ra Jackson wrote:Shylari Avada wrote: It's not about how 'things ought to be done' and more about risk averse pubbies pretending to have something worth chest beating on forums. Killing anything in Jita- with the exception of frigates with stupid numbers of PLEX, JF's packed full of moongoo, or a capital ship that was reimbursed and claimed in Jita is pointless, irrelevant and gives no claims to skill, power or prowess.
Funny. If you replace Jita with Uedama pretty much the same points can be adressed to Goons
Not 'Goons', Just 'MiniLuv'.
I don't expect someone like you to understand intra-alliance organization, or the SIGs and Squads structure of our Alliance, but I assure you Goons kill (and die) everywhere. |
Bethesda
Unknown Test RELOADED DOT
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:18:00 -
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not fixed |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
504
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:33:00 -
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So an update on what we're seeing so far:
1.) We're not sure if the situation has been fixed.
2.) Wars that are set mutual by the defender can start a 24hr retraction by the aggressor. We set all our wars unmutual right before the expansion to avoid this (and rightfully so, a dropped corp experienced 74 retractions in under 8hrs by staying mutual)
3.) No wars against Dec Shield have ended in the past 48hrs (by random distribution of our 286 wars around 81 should have naturally ended by now), so something is going on
4.) We proposed a new method of maintaining infinite war by a repeating multi-day staggered sequence of dropping corps out of alliance and rejoining a few days later to restore any dropped wars. Under the old rules this would have been effective because the start date of wars were set fresh when a corp joined/left an alliance. Two devs have sworn this is fixed, but not how they fixed it. Our proposed fix was to inherit the start date from the parent war when making a copy to prevent the 7 day extensions.
5.) Corps dropping out of an alliance still do not inherit the start dates of their parent wars. Because of the dev insistence that this loophole won't work we've concluded that all wars have a hidden end-date that isn't visible to the players. It is possible that copied wars now inherit this hidden end-date timer from the parent wars. Thus it's very possible the loophole is closed and we won't know until it's too late.
6.) But using evidence from point 3 above, something has changed with wardec mechanics. Or it's a "feature" we never knew about before because we had never unmutualed wars. As I said, we should of had 81 retractions by now and we've had none. Therefore we've come to believe that the act of unmutualing a war sets the hidden end-date timer back by at least 48hrs (probably 7 days). Therefore, since it's possible to instantly mutual/unmutual a war we've begun tests along these lines to see if unmutualing extends the end-date. We will know for sure in 5 days the results of these tests.
Burn Highsec Griefers |
Bethesda
Unknown Test RELOADED DOT
1
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:08:00 -
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From what I can see situation is as Follows -
Wars run on a weekly timer of billing cycle dates - perhaps the non-mutual wars will expire 24hrs after the next bill.....
Any new wars from corps out of a war decced alliance do get a new timer and also their own bill (hence 7 day timer)
Mutual wars are retractable.
What are the rules on a war decced corp joining an alliance? does it create a new timer if they do? etc |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
791
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Posted - 2012.12.07 00:35:00 -
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I think were going to end up needing to wait for a week before we know exactly what has changed and what hasn't. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
506
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Posted - 2012.12.07 00:35:00 -
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Bethesda wrote:From what I can see situation is as Follows -
Wars run on a weekly timer of billing cycle dates - perhaps the non-mutual wars will expire 24hrs after the next bill.....
Any new wars from corps out of a war decced alliance do get a new timer and also their own bill (hence 7 day timer)
Mutual wars are retractable.
What are the rules on a war decced corp joining an alliance? does it create a new timer if they do? etc Wardecced corps are allowed to join alliance. It ends their current war and starts a fresh 7 day timer war with the alliance. If the alliance already had that war I think it just merges with that war and doesn't change any timers.
Out of curiosity, when is your bill set for? For these entities:
Dec Shield Wardec Flopper Wardec Flipper Wardec Flapper Zerg Hatchery RvB - Red Federation
It will help us to know if the exploit has been fixed Burn Highsec Griefers |
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
506
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:28:00 -
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Using information we've gathered from aggressors, and from tests we're running on the test server. We can conclude that the proposed exploit we've been warning CCP about for weeks, is indeed closed.
However, we have discovered a new exploit that will allow us to keep you trapped indefinitely. We will now resume activities and recruitment immediately Burn Highsec Griefers |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
178
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Posted - 2012.12.07 07:45:00 -
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Glorious fun as always. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
70
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Posted - 2012.12.07 09:12:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:Shylari Avada wrote: It's not about how 'things ought to be done' and more about risk averse pubbies pretending to have something worth chest beating on forums. Killing anything in Jita- with the exception of frigates with stupid numbers of PLEX, JF's packed full of moongoo, or a capital ship that was reimbursed and claimed in Jita is pointless, irrelevant and gives no claims to skill, power or prowess.
Funny. If you replace Jita with Uedama pretty much the same points can be adressed to Goons Not 'Goons', Just 'MiniLuv'. I don't expect someone like you to understand intra-alliance organization, or the SIGs and Squads structure of our Alliance, but I assure you Goons kill (and die) everywhere.
And your point is? I expect nothing else from an 8k ppl alliance than to die everywhere. I don't care about intra-alliance dribble. Why should I? "Someone like me" is obviously not in Goons, and Miniluv are Goons to "someone like us". |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
113
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:15:00 -
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Hehe....and the story continues....
Will keep an eye on the 'data' Zerg..... My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
3
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:28:00 -
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All hail The Zerg Overmind!! |
Bethesda
Unknown Test RELOADED DOT
1
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:18:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Out of curiosity, when is your bill set for? For these entities:
Dec Shield - no date - through mails should be 10/12 but has the mutual thing messed with the dates? Wardec Flopper - no date -through mails should be 12/12? Wardec Flipper 11/12 Wardec Flapper - no date - through mails should be 13/12? But ends today Zerg Hatchery 11/12 RvB - Red Federation 11/12 |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
530
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:53:00 -
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GMs have just set "RvB - RED Federation" free.
-3060 trapped players Burn Highsec Griefers |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
74
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Posted - 2012.12.07 22:09:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote: The tears must flow.
He who controls the tears, controls the universe.
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
389
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:43:00 -
[469] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:GMs have just set "RvB - RED Federation" free.
-3060 trapped players
Is anyone surprised that RvB gets special treatment? |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
98
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Posted - 2012.12.08 17:29:00 -
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Still decced by Dec Shield and friends, I repealed all the mutual wars on patch day and they still manage to exploit it to keep us trapped. Now I have multiple non-mutual wars, including one with Dec Shield that says it's been going on since october. Sent in a petition yesterday with no response. What a CF, I don't know why they aren't taking their own wardec system more seriously when they put in a significant amount of effort to make it a focal point of their last expansion.
I appreciate the work Dec Shield is doing, there's no way to make them fix broken features like this unless you break them even harder. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO TRUE and HONEST boyfriend-free girl gamer |
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
271
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Posted - 2012.12.08 19:55:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:GMs have just set "RvB - RED Federation" free.
-3060 trapped players Is anyone surprised that RvB gets special treatment?
Not at all. I actually expected it to happen sooner. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
144
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:48:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Michael Harari wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:GMs have just set "RvB - RED Federation" free.
-3060 trapped players Is anyone surprised that RvB gets special treatment? Not at all. I actually expected it to happen sooner.
Just a quick note. RvB - Blue is still trapped in wars by dec shield and we couldn't care less. The only reason Red shed ALL its war (including the one with blue) is that a bug disbanded the Red Alliance. When CCP restored it they didn't restore the wars along with it which was actually rather unfortunate as it led to a 24 hour DT in RvB fighting this week. Decshield and its wars have had no impact on us other than the stream of notifications. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
274
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Posted - 2012.12.09 01:06:00 -
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A bug. I see. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
59
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Posted - 2012.12.09 03:26:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:A bug. I see. Hey I have had worse just trying to make a simple script to calculate the various effects of laminar flow over an airfoil. Especially since as pointed out Red did everything right on their end.
Also curious Zerg, will you continue this if as suspected all three methods are closed? Will you hunt for more or will you feel your duties are done? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
537
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Posted - 2012.12.09 04:25:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Also curious Zerg, will you continue this if as suspected all three methods are closed? Will you hunt for more or will you feel your duties are done? I believe the third method is still valid. We will know for sure if every non-GM'd war is still trapped on the 12th. Burn Highsec Griefers |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
274
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Posted - 2012.12.09 04:54:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Also curious Zerg, will you continue this if as suspected all three methods are closed? Will you hunt for more or will you feel your duties are done? I believe the third method is still valid. We will know for sure if every non-GM'd war is still trapped on the 12th.
I'm hoping that it somehow is fixed. I've stopped bothering to add target corps on my alts because the number of notifications was getting obscene. Not counting on it though. Yay notifications!
Or maybe we'll get lucky and be "GM'd". *snicker* |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
923
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Posted - 2012.12.09 05:17:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Also curious Zerg, will you continue this if as suspected all three methods are closed? Will you hunt for more or will you feel your duties are done? I think that between godawful game design and the questionable skills of CCPs programming staff you'll be very lucky to see CCP come up with fixes that actually work to close all of the exploits.
Even if they were closed the core game design behind the current wardec system is so bad that wars will still be an absolute joke. As long as you can enlist allies into a war for trivial costs wars will remain the exclusive domain of dedicated PVP corps and not something that the average highsec corp would even consider. And as long as the costs remain as high as they are they will be limited in accessibility to people regularly make giant piles of isk.
Zerg has done an outstanding job of pointing out the godawful mechanical holes in the war mechanics but the fact still remains that, by design, CCP made war declarations a tool that that people can't afford to use and if you do use it just happens to cut your throat. |
VegasMirage
260
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Posted - 2012.12.09 11:24:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Mizhir wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:So RvB - RED Federation has just disbanded (3000 players), and we just stole their alliance name so they can't reform. If only there were some mechanic in place to prevent these alliances from being permanently trapped in wars. I'm not even sure they can reform into a new alliance because they're still stuck in outgoing wars. Sorry. I cant hear you for all the frigs popping in poinen. Did you say anything important? b/c you're a 3 system hopping gate hugging solo pvp artist? And your point is?
that you're important and we all really should learn something from you... likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Raesha Nardieu
The Soul Society Pax Romana Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 11:32:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Everything Tolene said is true, and I agree with you. We will try to get the matter resolved asap. In the mean time I just needed victims to point to and say "Look, your game mechanics are allowing me to do completely unfair things to these people". CCP responds faster when they have public pressure on them to perform.
You say you want to end high sec griefing yet in the case of my alliance *YOU* are the griefers...how are you trying to get matters resolved when you are snide and unresponsive to all attempts at diplomacy? We are a mining/indy alliance, do *NOT* actively war dec and do not promote behaviour that could bring wars upon us as everyone knows highsec wars are senseless. The *only* time we dec is to even the playing field against groups that dec us (which if you had bothered to check the history has only happend twice). I also happen to know we are not the only carebears you have in your current dec list while your own mission statement clearly states you *ONLY* target pirate/merc/griefer corps & alliances which would imply that you do a bit of research and are selective with the targets you choose. The truth is you're not, your goal is to have as many active eternal wars as possible and to continue to use exploits as your manner to have fun in the game just like any other griefer corp/alliance. At least true merc/griefer corps are honest in what they do... and honesty I can respect... what you do, I cannot respect.
Our griefers came to you when they got caught with their breeches down and you took them in and continued the griefing of us for the past month. You go against yourself by saying you wish to bring attention to the broken mechanics and end highsec griefing yet you are guilty of the same thing you are so-called trying to stop and paint yourself here as being a sort of Robin Hood when you're no better than the thugs you protect.
I dont support what you are doing because it sounds noble on paper but being the true moralfag I am, when you dont do your research and target indy corps/alliances that are already being griefed, you lose any support you would have had from me and others like me. What good does it do for the whole of EvE and it's community to run off the new players before they even have a chance to start loving the game? Thats what happens when you target groups like my alliance.
And my apologies for sounding like a whiny little wench... I just wished to point out Dec Shield are not and have not been acting as admirably and honourably as they would like all of you here to believe and are actually griefers themselves that are further contributing to the rising ship and mineral costs by not allowing carebears to get out and seed our markets. |
FireusI
Famz Corp.
6
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Posted - 2012.12.09 12:36:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind
The main thing is u now the one who is trying his best to become Griefers in high sec and i hope as soon as CCP sort out the mess u have made bad ur accounts and I.P from ever playing eve again .
I lost some great friends cuz of all this in real life cuz they think i was the one putting up all these dam war decks when i am not all cuz of a loop hole ur exploiting in the game |
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