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Thomas Gore
State Protectorate Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:32:00 -
[541] - Quote
So mission accomplished I guess?
What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :) |
Ronan Connor
13
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:35:00 -
[542] - Quote
Thomas Gore wrote:So mission accomplished I guess?
What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :)
Allthough some of you cant hear it anymore, I would be for bounties. Though it was a great idea, one has to admit there is alot of missuse, like every freighter in 4-4 gets one, blackmailing of noobs, bounties without a reason on positive sec standing...
The only way I see CCP is fixing the missuse in the very next future, is to go where it hurts them.
Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties. What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for.
My suggestions would be:
1) Bounties are only valid in Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes 2) Bounties in High Sec are only valid during a War Dec, with a negative sec standing or with a kill right on you. Otherwise they wont even show up, while you are in High sec. A kill right would be valid as long the bounty value is not payed out 100% but the amount of the bounty cant be higher as the (both) kill mails i.e. 250 misk loss for a miner with implants mean 250 misk max. bounty on the kill right. --> as a bonus for you C&P guys, this would mean can flipping in high sec doesnt give kill rights anymore. 3) Maybe bounties could be paid out as well in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. But then as a semi low sec the income there must be raised of course to match risk vs. the then too low income there. (Rats give more, more LP like 15.000 for a lvl 4 etc).
This is the most eminent broken game mechanic, as it endangers CCP's income, even without action from our side.
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Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
872
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:51:00 -
[543] - Quote
Ronan Connor wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:So mission accomplished I guess?
What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :) Allthough some of you cant hear it anymore, I would be for bounties. Though it was a great idea, one has to admit there is alot of missuse, like every freighter in 4-4 gets one, blackmailing of noobs, bounties without a reason on positive sec standing... The only way I see CCP is fixing the missuse in the very next future, is to go where it hurts them. Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties. What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for. My suggestions would be: 1) Bounties are only valid in Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes 2) Bounties in High Sec are only valid during a War Dec, with a negative sec standing or with a kill right on you. Otherwise they wont even show up, while you are in High sec. A kill right would be valid as long the bounty value is not payed out 100% but the amount of the bounty cant be higher as the (both) kill mails i.e. 250 misk loss for a miner with implants mean 250 misk max. bounty on the kill right. --> as a bonus for you C&P guys, this would mean can flipping in high sec doesnt give kill rights anymore. 3) Maybe bounties could be paid out as well in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. But then as a semi low sec the income there must be raised of course to match risk vs. the then too low income there. (Rats give more, more LP like 15.000 for a lvl 4 etc). This is the most eminent broken game mechanic, as it endangers CCP's income, even without action from our side.
The only reason you posted with alt is because you knew that the suggestion you gave is horrible.
If you posted with your main you might have thought of something better and posted it in the feature/suggestions forum where it belongs. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Ronan Connor
13
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Posted - 2012.12.19 14:04:00 -
[544] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Ronan Connor wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:So mission accomplished I guess?
What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :) Allthough some of you cant hear it anymore, I would be for bounties. Though it was a great idea, one has to admit there is alot of missuse, like every freighter in 4-4 gets one, blackmailing of noobs, bounties without a reason on positive sec standing... The only way I see CCP is fixing the missuse in the very next future, is to go where it hurts them. Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties. What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for. My suggestions would be: 1) Bounties are only valid in Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes 2) Bounties in High Sec are only valid during a War Dec, with a negative sec standing or with a kill right on you. Otherwise they wont even show up, while you are in High sec. A kill right would be valid as long the bounty value is not payed out 100% but the amount of the bounty cant be higher as the (both) kill mails i.e. 250 misk loss for a miner with implants mean 250 misk max. bounty on the kill right. --> as a bonus for you C&P guys, this would mean can flipping in high sec doesnt give kill rights anymore. 3) Maybe bounties could be paid out as well in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. But then as a semi low sec the income there must be raised of course to match risk vs. the then too low income there. (Rats give more, more LP like 15.000 for a lvl 4 etc). This is the most eminent broken game mechanic, as it endangers CCP's income, even without action from our side. The only reason you posted with alt is because you knew that the suggestion you gave is horrible. If you posted with your main you might have thought of something better and posted it in the feature/suggestions forum where it belongs. The reason I am posting with my alt is, that I did try a neutral suggestion once and my corp got wardecced. There are too many griefers around, if your main play style is not pvp.
Other then that I mean what I say. Bounties on players who dont enjoy pvp as much, make them feel like perma war decced. Though I generally like the idea of bounties ( I even did start small scale pvp and got a couple of suspects) there is alot of missuse going on here. Even you couldnt deny that.
Now back to business
Are you giving some constructive input or not? I am still missing a better suggestion in your post. Remember, when you point at someone else, there are always three fingers point back at you. Now go ahead. I am open. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION Pure Madness.
77
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Posted - 2012.12.19 14:15:00 -
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Ronan Connor wrote: Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties. What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for.
Please elaborate how that bounty prevents you to play the game in any way. I'd like to see where your understanding of the bounty system went terribly wrong. |
Ronan Connor
13
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Posted - 2012.12.19 14:52:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:Ronan Connor wrote: Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties. What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for.
Please elaborate how a bounty prevents you from playing the game in any way. I'd like to see where your understanding of the bounty system went terribly wrong. Like I said. There are eve player who dont like the idea of pvp. To them a bounty is scaring. I see it in my corp where people got bounties and asked anxious how we can remove it. To them they have a feeling of threat like they are in a wardec. I feel a bit myself that way, though I did do some small scale pvp already.
The thing is, people in corps tend to station spin or dont play at all, when there is a wardec and they dont like the idea of pvp. This is happening to existing player and some new player. There is blackmailing for that reason already ("give me 10 million or you get a bounty"). They stay in station and dont turn up. I can see this in my own corp already. You can get bounties for nothing and that cant be "working as intended".
I dont want bounties to get removed, but to have feasible boundaries to give them away.
I know many of you will fall for "htfu" and be done with it. Its just eve is not only existing of pvp oriented player. Pretending that eve is a pure pvp game wont change that. |
Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
59
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:49:00 -
[547] - Quote
So basically you say that your players do not understand the bounty mechanism correctly and that it should be changed for that reason? Bounties. Do. Not. Give. Killrights. A bounty does not affect your gameplay at all. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION Pure Madness.
79
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:49:00 -
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Ronan Connor wrote:Like I said. There are eve player who dont like the idea of pvp. To them a bounty is scaring. I see it in my corp where people got bounties and asked anxious how we can remove it. To them they have a feeling of threat like they are in a wardec. I feel a bit myself that way, though I did do some small scale pvp already.
The thing is, people in corps tend to station spin or dont play at all, when there is a wardec and they dont like the idea of pvp. This is happening to existing player and some new player. There is blackmailing for that reason already ("give me 10 million or you get a bounty"). They stay in station and dont turn up. I can see this in my own corp already. You can get bounties for nothing and that cant be "working as intended".
I dont want bounties to get removed, but to have feasible boundaries to give them away.
I know many of you will fall for "htfu" and be done with it. Its just eve is not only existing of pvp oriented player. Pretending that eve is a pure pvp game wont change that.
And how does it influence your carebear gaming apart from an obscure fear of.. I don't know what? |
Ronan Connor
13
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Posted - 2012.12.19 16:34:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:So basically you say that your players do not understand the bounty mechanism correctly and that it should be changed for that reason? Bounties. Do. Not. Give. Killrights. A bounty does not affect your gameplay at all. I do know that. But that does not mean everybody does. Its just feels like a red cross to many.
@Ra Thats just it. The fear causes some player not to undock. If you are trying to see the issue from this point of view, you will consider it enough.
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Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION Pure Madness.
79
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Posted - 2012.12.19 17:19:00 -
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Ronan Connor wrote:@Ra Thats just it. The fear causes some player not to undock. If you are trying to see the issue from this point of view, you will consider it enough.
Why don't you inform your guys that the bounty doesn't really change anything? Staying docked just "because" actually shows how admirably well the new bounty system works lol. Either way, as was already pointed out: Not understanding mechanics is not a sensible reason to demand changes to the game. |
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Da Grim Reaper
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.12.19 18:22:00 -
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Ronan Connor wrote: Thats just it. The fear causes some player not to undock. If you are trying to see the issue from this point of view, you will consider it enough.
Taking this to the logical conclusion:
I am afraid that someone might gank me without a bounty because the game allows it, therefore I should not undock. I am afraid that I might lose my ship in a mission, therefore I will not do mission. I am afraid that I might make a bad market transaction, therefore I will not use the market. I do not understand something, therefore I am afraid, therefore I will do nothing not even learn what I do not understand. I am afraid that I might get asked a question about why I am canceling, therefore I will avoid canceling just to prevent someone from asking.
Bounties are not the issue, FEAR is the issue. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
79
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Posted - 2012.12.19 18:25:00 -
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To test this, please place a bounty of 1 billion on me. I will then proceed to fly about and see how long it is before I get ganked. In the event I am not ganked, please place another bounty of 1 billion on me. Repeat until ganking occurs. At this point we will have evidence of where the limit should be laced. |
HoleySheet1
Under the Wings of Fury The Marmite Collective
105
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Posted - 2012.12.20 20:43:00 -
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So this thread i s suppose to mean something? My buddy zerg clicks a few buttons and claims to mess things up for us predators? Keep up the good work buddy. While you're at the rear...we're owning on the front lines in eve....if not the forums. You did what too many of us was either too lazy or apathetic to do. Congratulations. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
80
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:51:00 -
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HoleySheet1 wrote:So this thread i s suppose to mean something? My buddy zerg clicks a few buttons and claims to mess things up for us predators? Keep up the good work buddy. While you're at the rear...we're owning on the front lines in eve....if not the forums. You did what too many of us was either too lazy or apathetic to do. Congratulations. Are you complimenting him or hating him? Like this post if complimenting |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
80
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:51:00 -
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And this one if hating. |
Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:09:00 -
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This is still broken, there is no way to end the mutual wars still and new wars are still accruing. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4613
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:11:00 -
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I don't like that word "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
556
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Posted - 2012.12.27 07:06:00 -
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The end of the second era is at hand. I've updated the first post in this thread with a complete summary of events, including pictures and charts. Burn Highsec Griefers |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2452
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Posted - 2012.12.27 11:52:00 -
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Reading the OP reminded me of this great quote from CCP Tuxford, which sadly was a troll ... but - in my eyes - has potential to fix everything ... ... and it would serve as a nice isk sink.
CCP Tuxford wrote:In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Nakashyro
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:03:00 -
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Zerg - from what I can gather via conversations with folks, the endless war dec hacks are still working and folks are still "trapped" - but you say otherwise. What's the real scoop? Wormhole exploration, sales, and location services. Mail me. |
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
612
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:20:00 -
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Nakashyro wrote:Zerg - from what I can gather via conversations with folks, the endless war dec hacks are still working and folks are still "trapped" - but you say otherwise. What's the real scoop? As of writing this we still have 118 wars. Most are against corps that are inactive, don't care, or don't know how to retract. There's no way to keep people trapped right now, so my guess is that whoever is saying this just isn't aware of how to retract wars. Game mechanics have been shifting very rapidly, so they might not be up to date with the most recent changes. Just because a war exists doesn't mean they're trapped in it. If there is some way to keep people trapped I'd be very interested to know it. Burn Highsec Griefers |
Kc Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
83
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Posted - 2013.01.04 05:52:00 -
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Kc Decartes wrote:Good Day Nublitz,
I am KcD, and you have deced me, so we are deced together, for now and all time, which is grand, and good. I felt I should wave my hand as/in a gesture that represents the fun we will no doubt have together. It makes me happy, and my belly tickle, just in anticipation of the inevitable pleasure we will induce from ourselves, based on the experience we encounter via this hoopla.
I look forward to working with you, and yours, and the crew of misfits you believe make your organization dreamy.
With warm regards,
KcD
Zerg,
It's a shame you never did anything grand while behind the wheel of such a mighty power house. You know like pvp. I say now, as I have said before... you were, and are a troll, and a joke of an =v= player.
Now with this stigma, you always will be what you are. At least though you have been clever, within your own circles, which no doubt represent the masses that are eve. I leave you now, weak and on your knees, wishing you the best in 2013 and quoting my original post for posterity.
Cya around hero.
Kc +É D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
VegasMirage
356
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Posted - 2013.01.04 05:55:00 -
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Kc Decartes wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:Good Day Nublitz,
I am KcD, and you have deced me, so we are deced together, for now and all time, which is grand, and good. I felt I should wave my hand as/in a gesture that represents the fun we will no doubt have together. It makes me happy, and my belly tickle, just in anticipation of the inevitable pleasure we will induce from ourselves, based on the experience we encounter via this hoopla.
I look forward to working with you, and yours, and the crew of misfits you believe make your organization dreamy.
With warm regards,
KcD Zerg, It's a shame you never did anything grand while behind the wheel of such a mighty power house. You know like pvp. I say now, as I have said before... you were, and are a troll, and a joke of an =v= player. Now with this stigma, you always will be what you are. At least though you have been clever, within your own circles, which no doubt represent the masses that are eve. I leave you now, weak and on your knees, wishing you the best in 2013 and quoting my original post for posterity. Cya around hero. Kc +É
he did more to impact the game than you ever will likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
454
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Posted - 2013.01.04 06:28:00 -
[564] - Quote
Kc Decartes wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:Good Day Nublitz,
I am KcD, and you have deced me, so we are deced together, for now and all time, which is grand, and good. I felt I should wave my hand as/in a gesture that represents the fun we will no doubt have together. It makes me happy, and my belly tickle, just in anticipation of the inevitable pleasure we will induce from ourselves, based on the experience we encounter via this hoopla.
I look forward to working with you, and yours, and the crew of misfits you believe make your organization dreamy.
With warm regards,
KcD Zerg, It's a shame you never did anything grand while behind the wheel of such a mighty power house. You know like pvp. I say now, as I have said before... you were, and are a troll, and a joke of an =v= player. Now with this stigma, you always will be what you are. At least though you have been clever, within your own circles, which no doubt represent the masses that are eve. I leave you now, weak and on your knees, wishing you the best in 2013 and quoting my original post for posterity. Cya around hero. Kc +É
You again. I hope you're just trolling and not as stupid as you come across. What does it take to explain to you that fixing the mechanic was the goal, not PVPing all those who got trapped?
Weak and on his knees? WTF you been smoking? Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Kc Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
83
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Posted - 2013.01.04 06:53:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote: Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side.
I guess I'm smoking propaganda, cause it seems to me that Zerg was after more then just "fixing game mechanics" D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
458
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Posted - 2013.01.04 07:56:00 -
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Kc Decartes wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote: Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side. I guess I'm smoking propaganda, cause it seems to me that Zerg was after more then just "fixing game mechanics"
That was a bonus, and the glorious opportunity he allowed others to seize upon. Some even took advantage of that opportunity. I'm finding it funny that you're disappointed he didn't PVP with you. Are you upset you never got to unleash pent up anger over this mechanic incorrectly upon the one you thought was responsible for it all? Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Kc Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
83
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Posted - 2013.01.04 08:01:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote: Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side. I guess I'm smoking propaganda, cause it seems to me that Zerg was after more then just "fixing game mechanics" That was a bonus, and the glorious opportunity he allowed others to seize upon. Some even took advantage of that opportunity. I'm finding it funny that you're disappointed he didn't PVP with you.
I'm disappointed that he pretended to be elite...
We all know what he's about, and it's not about forcing change in game with regards to war dynamics, for the further development of in game mechanics.... Zerg was an opportunist. I find that offensive. D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
458
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Posted - 2013.01.04 08:11:00 -
[568] - Quote
Kc Decartes wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote: Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side. I guess I'm smoking propaganda, cause it seems to me that Zerg was after more then just "fixing game mechanics" That was a bonus, and the glorious opportunity he allowed others to seize upon. Some even took advantage of that opportunity. I'm finding it funny that you're disappointed he didn't PVP with you. I'm disappointed that he pretended to be elite... We all know what he's about, and it's not about forcing change in game with regards to war dynamics, for the further development of in game mechanics.... Zerg was an opportunist. I find that offensive.
You should probably not play EVE then. Opportunists created it. You use Facebook? You should deactivate that shite right away.
You're not eating sliced bread are you? OH GOD YOU DIDN'T?! Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Kc Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
83
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Posted - 2013.01.04 08:23:00 -
[569] - Quote
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Kc Decartes wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote: Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side. I guess I'm smoking propaganda, cause it seems to me that Zerg was after more then just "fixing game mechanics" That was a bonus, and the glorious opportunity he allowed others to seize upon. Some even took advantage of that opportunity. I'm finding it funny that you're disappointed he didn't PVP with you. I'm disappointed that he pretended to be elite... We all know what he's about, and it's not about forcing change in game with regards to war dynamics, for the further development of in game mechanics.... Zerg was an opportunist. I find that offensive. You should probably not play EVE then. Opportunists created it. You use Facebook? You should deactivate that shite right away. You're not eating sliced bread are you? OH GOD YOU DIDN'T?!
I guess I should think you're clever as you edit your **** none stop. I don't...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
I have my eye on u D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
458
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Posted - 2013.01.04 08:30:00 -
[570] - Quote
Kc Decartes wrote:I have my eye on u
My eye is better. Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
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