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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:33:00 -
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Came expecting the death of space barbie, left disappointed. |
fukier
Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:42:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:
Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. your sig would suggest different.
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
fukier
Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Bayesian.
I look forward to one day reading your post telling us that the WiS project has been reactivated.
well for developement timeline that will be after
new sov (so no go in 2013)
new pos (so no go in 2014)
hopefully dust will be a sucess and by 2015 CCP will have EVE in a strong enough place and have enough money that they can reinvest in the WIS prototype and finish it...
tbh i wish they just opened the damn door... but have it lead to a dust closet and make it one big joke... At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2948
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:04:00 -
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Please keep it scrapped. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
537
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:05:00 -
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I too am looking forward to Star Citizen including having made a pledge, especially after I saw that they will have a form of WiS that on paper looks far superior to what was planned in Eve anyways. Walking on planets, even walking in our own ships and ships that can be boarded by pirates.
Now the only hope I have left in Eve is that they release those latex catsuits that they have repeatedly said they had ready or almost ready and after months and months and months nothing >.> This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:10:00 -
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Hey TA please move the enter captain's quarter button to the esc menu I don't want to see it in hanger or in right-click menu thanks. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
fukier
Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:17:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Please keep it scrapped.
you do understand that there is a huge differnece between the WIS that incarna was going to bring and the Prototype they are talking about right?
i have no problem with keeping WIS in the "Closet"
but ffs i was really hopping to see the prototype for active avatar gameplay in 2 years...
good thing about eve is eventually we will have it... its just a matter of time...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2948
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:20:00 -
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If it doesn't add anything positive or worthwhile to the game then it is a waste of development time. When CCP can't even put together a decent number of people to re-balance game mechanics they certainly shouldn't be wasting time on worthless new 'features'. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:25:00 -
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Lol at all the optimism for Star Citizen. I'm looking forward to the game too but lets be real its no competition to EVE. Everything shown says its Freelancer in high detail, that's it. Yes you can get out of the cockpit and walk around but for what purpose? 99% of what you do will be in space. You can't fly capital ships, the player count is capped at what 100-200 players? There's going to be around what 100 systems? Freelancer was really cool when it came out, and its still fun, but I'd choose EVE over it any day. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
375
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:05:00 -
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Revajin wrote:Lol at all the optimism for Star Citizen. I'm looking forward to the game too but lets be real its no competition to EVE. Everything shown says its Freelancer in high detail, that's it. Yes you can get out of the cockpit and walk around but for what purpose? 99% of what you do will be in space. You can't fly capital ships, the player count is capped at what 100-200 players? There's going to be around what 100 systems? Freelancer was really cool when it came out, and its still fun, but I'd choose EVE over it any day.
It really depends on how they do it. If Star Citizen has the immersion and the story of Wing Commander, it could be quite big. If combat is fun and addictive, it could get bigger. And so on, and so forth. Plus the main draw for me personally is the promise that it will be a PC game at heart. No compromises for silly console restrictions.
And while a lot of the stuff is probably true (reg 100-200 player limit), is that really all that bad? Not everyone likes blobs. I certainly don't. And even 100 people shooting each other is a respectable number.
Flying capital ships, again depending on how it's done, might not be necessary. If you remember Wing Commander, in some ships you could switch between turrets (front or rear of the craft). They can also go the Planetside 1 route, where it took multiple people to drive tank - one to drive, one to man the turret), meaning larger craft might require 2-4 people cooperating to survive. And if the limit is 200 CRAFT, not 200 people, and some craft fit up to 4 people? That's 800 people in a battle, not too shabby.
They could add boarding action avatar combat within the ship. It's nothing new, first I saw it was in Starblade (Silmarils, 1990), and more recently in Pirates of the Burning Sea (Sony MMO, 2008). That could add a lot of depth to combat.
Depending on how they handle collision and line of sight, the combat itself might get very interesting, if smaller wounded craft can hide behind larger, heavily tanked units and avoid damage that way (this is also something Pirates of the Burning Sea had). Might make even relatively blobby combat a lot deeper than EVE's. We just don't know yet.
Bottom line, it's not a "threat" to EVE per se. EVE is a full-fledged MMO with all that that entails, and Star Citizen is more of a multiplayer game. BUT, if done right, we could see Star Citizen siphon a lot of players from many games, including EVE. Again, depends on execution and how far they're willing to take it. You just never know. I mean, look at Guild Wars 2, looked incredibly promising on paper, but the population is steadily going down as developers fail to address core issues. And many folks expected it to be the best thing to happen to the genre since sliced bread. You never can tell.
Having said that, adding avatar gameplay to EVE, and turning it from "spaceship game" into "sci-fi sim" could have been the best thing to happen to it. Let's face it, the game IS stagnating. There's "growth", but most of it is most likely alt accounts. The actual player numbers are nowhere near high enough. EVE's 65k peak concurrent users (or current 45k average) are nothing compared to GW2's recent 400k or WoW's recent 1000k concurrent users. It's not even in the same category. Avatar gameplay could change that. Or not. Personally I feel it's worth the risk, though obviously CCP disagrees and is happy to continue watching the game go on stagnating. Hey, it's their business. Literally. |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1789
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:08:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:I too am looking forward to Star Citizen including having made a pledge, especially after I saw that they will have a form of WiS that on paper looks far superior to what was planned in Eve anyways. Walking on planets, even walking in our own ships and ships that can be boarded by pirates.
Now the only hope I have left in Eve is that they release those latex catsuits that they have repeatedly said they had ready or almost ready and after months and months and months nothing >.>
I would have loved to agree with your sentiment babe....
But after this soul killing newskie, the only thing that'l keep me around would be stripper bars and casinos.... a cat suit just wont cut it. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:28:00 -
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WiS was a huge waste of resources. The only plus going forward would be to trim it off the release so it saves download time and disk space.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:20:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Its always amusing to read the 'new game has spaceships, therefore EVE IS DYING' comments.
If you think the most significant thing about Eve is the spaceships, then you really haven't been paying attention.
why you think WIS is scrapped ? BC Some Idiots screaming EvE is Spaceships only. Even if some gameplay sharded when Star Citizen goes life,it will have the features WIS could have and with a great and above all tested game engine R.S.I2014
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:21:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If it doesn't add anything positive or worthwhile to the game then it is a waste of development time. When CCP can't even put together a decent number of people to re-balance game mechanics they certainly shouldn't be wasting time on worthless new 'features'.
Yeah only to get more whining on these Forums about CCP doing it wrong R.S.I2014
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:23:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:WiS was a huge waste of resources. The only plus going forward would be to trim it off the release so it saves download time and disk space.
This is an excellent post.
+1 for reclaiming my disk space of utterly useless fluff. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:24:00 -
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That have been prophesied by many.
Quote:Gotta have something truly epic to reveal at EVE's 10th anniversary Fanfest right? :D ...another one, amazing truly epic reveal?...
Quote:i have no problem with keeping WIS in the "Closet" This is too "graphic". Red Maiden: People actually play with WiS off? Why? It's really well done, and adds an excellent layer of immersion in the game. Plus, my character's ass is out of this world and I like looking at it. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:37:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Hey TA please move the enter captain's quarter button to the esc menu I don't want to see it in hanger or in right-click menu thanks.
Why should we remove the biggest failure from CCP out of this game. Let it be ,so CCP remembers never to promise something they can,t handle ever again. R.S.I2014
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:39:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Just to answer a couple of points:
- Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
- WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome.
So we are going to show something at Fanfest and discuss this with real humans ,was another we show something promise? R.S.I2014
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
375
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:57:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Just to answer a couple of points:
- Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
- WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome.
So we are going to show something at Fanfest and discuss this with real humans ,was another we show something promise?
Sounds like it, from the other thread linked earlier. Though next year's FanFest is last week of April. So still over 5 moths away. And just because something gets talked about at FanFest, doesn't mean it'll get done. Unless there's already playable prototype by FanFest, I wouldn't expect anything in 2013. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
60
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:28:00 -
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Quote:So we are going to show something at Fanfest and discuss this with real humans ,was another we show something promise?
CCP - Certainly Can Procrastinate Red Maiden: People actually play with WiS off? Why? It's really well done, and adds an excellent layer of immersion in the game. Plus, my character's ass is out of this world and I like looking at it. |
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Jess Maine
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:44:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Ares Desideratus wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Well Star Citizen it is, then.
When that lands in 2 years this game will become a ghost town, so everyone enjoy the population while you can. Star Citizen is just going to come out and be mediocre Just be happy with Eve cause it's the best video game ever created Its called 'Star Citizen'. Nuff said. You guys who backed this, I find astonishing when Elite: Dangerous is also being pimped and offers way more attractive gameplay concepts. I hate Wing Commander tbh.
Brought to you by the same company that made RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, Kinectimals, LostWinds and Disneyland Adventures. Dem high quality titles. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
755
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:54:00 -
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Part of me is still in disbelief.
I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again.
Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.
Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:19:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:So we are going to show something at Fanfest and discuss this with real humans ,was another we show something promise? CCP - Certainly Can Procrastinate
You almost scared me with that word ,English is not my native language. Good that Google exist R.S.I2014
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1820
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:57:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Part of me is still in disbelief.
I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again.
Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.
Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server. I think you're overstating your case a bit by implying the servers will be empty because there's no evidence "The Door" will ever be opened.
Concurrent users have been right up around 40k every time I've logged in this week.
That seems impossible if the server will empty out over lack of WiS development. Not to mention that WiS didn't add any complexity to Eve in any way, shape, or form.
I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:06:00 -
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I have to say I am rather disapointed. I enjoy FIS, but for me WIS is an essential part of the space simulator experience. EVE does so many things better than many other MMO's out there, its difficult to comprehend that getting some basic WIS elements in place is proving so difficult, in fact totally impossible.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
756
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:08:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients.
It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered.
The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
377
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:09:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.
This is not new. Someone (Chribba, I believe?) even made graphs for 2009 and 2010 showing the same trend - number of posts steadily declining year after year. So this is in no way related to other games, it's been ongoing for at least 3 years now. Whether or not this is indicative of a problem, that's anyone's guess.
Personally I'm quite happy to see both Star Citizen and Elite in the works. It's nice that EVE will have some competition in the sci-fi genre at least, if not in the MMO genre per se.
Quote:Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server.
Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them. Which isn't to say it's impossible. If my opinion is correct in that the majority of EVE's currently active characters are just alts, when players move on we would see a serious collapse very quickly. And once a sandbox game like this loses the critical mass of players required to keep it reasonably populated, it dies incredibly fast.
Though personally I don't believe this will happen any time soon. It'll require changes to the game that are a fail of epic proportions - even bigger than Incarna - and CCP seems to be reasonably on track for now with the whole ship rebalance thingy. Though I suppose if they screw up the new AI badly enough to seriously hurt already pretty crappy PvE in this game, it might just do it. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1820
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:19:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients. It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered. The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass. "Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?"
Laughably and demonstrably false.
The reality of what I've been "begging for" is that our clients are something like 3x the size they used to be, with no extra functionality whatsoever.
If WiS development had been centered around more than just the virtual equivalent of $1k jeans, maybe your claims would have an iota of validity. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1789
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:19:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them. Which isn't to say it's impossible.
There comes a time when the value derived from empty promises isn't worth the effort of putting up with the same decadent rehashed crap over and over again....
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
756
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:31:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:This is not new. Someone (Chribba, I believe?) even made graphs for 2009 and 2010 showing the same trend - number of posts steadily declining year after year. So this is in no way related to other games, it's been ongoing for at least 3 years now. Whether or not this is indicative of a problem, that's anyone's guess.
Point taken, and i'd definitely say it's indicative of a problem. EVE has been stagnating for years now and a couple predators have just appeared to take advantage.
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them.
I'm a 2005 player who now regrets recently extending my sub another 6 months. Lots of people like myself have been investing time in EVE looking forward to the future. If things are just going to remain pretty much the same, and there is no real future except a couple new ships or something, there's no reason to keep investing time in this. We'll just cut our losses and move on. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
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