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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:16:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Just to answer a couple of points:
- Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
Probably the most disappointing thing I've read in a while
This goes right in the same box as: -Change in direction for trailers, dropping the cinematic/immersive aspect and just promoting the game instead. -Lack of in-game news/fiction and regular chronicles (although the latest news and events have been fun, but it'll probably drop after the expansion).
It's just all game play lately, no lore or and world creation. :/ Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
826
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:29:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:Hello again.
You are quickly becoming my favourite dev. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Jessy Berbers
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
33
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:37:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Just to answer a couple of points:
- Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
Probably the most disappointing thing I've read in a while This goes right in the same box as: -Change in direction for trailers, dropping the cinematic/immersive aspect and just promoting the game instead. -Lack of in-game news/fiction and regular chronicles (although the latest news and events have been fun, but it'll probably drop after the expansion). It's just all game play lately, no lore and/or world creation. :/
I am aswell saddend to see this, i came into EVE for the feel of a world being created, but now instead we just have a shallow PVP game where only losing and griefing factions such as goons and test, matter, it is there game afterall, as they conquered it.
I am for one sad to see Lore and story richness, and even RP being spat upon daily because the PVPers only want to PVP.
Dont get me wrong about disliking PVP, i love it, but not without a reason behind it, just for KB padding.
I am a supporter of WiS, it needs useful content, but it also needs social content, this goes hand in hand. And to keep the FiSers happy, i think CCP needs to just Outsource the development to WiS to some other company close to them, and share the dark vision of the universe they have setup, aswell as re-hiring Tony Gonzales.
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Ghazu
323
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:40:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:For reasons unclear to me (i have since found out it's because they are currently on a trial account with limited posting ability), i have received an EVEmail asking me to post this on behalf of Ishtanhuck Fazmarai, in response to Scatim Helicon referencing a post of theirs. Quote:I have been tracking the forums prior to the Retribution release. Have noticed that the new expansion haves null avatar content as opposed to what was suggested during Inferno release stags -which is not a surprise. Also have been tracking this thread as CCP Bayesian and CCP RedDawn clarified how WiS is not going anywhere for a long while.
Neither you nor anyone have a clue on what I expected of WiS beyond of it allowing extensive customization, social player interaction and very specially to be something else than FiS on foot. That was the "fast and dirty, baby steps" approach i campaigned for, instead of the current plan to abandon WiS (and apparently avatars too) for 2 years and hope there's still someone interested on it after 8 years of not delivering and turning it into a bloody FPS.
EVE has got a magnificent, complex universe whose only reason to exist is to destroy someone's starship, preferably in inferiority, and call it a feat. And now the plans are that players can shoot someone's face too, if the subscription numbers survive to two years of iterating while competitors show up.
There are many things that could had happen in New Eden, and now aren't happening, and will never happen, that it hurts to think of the wasted potential. From blowing ship to shooting dudes. Yeah. We really needed a hundred Chronicles and 10 years of lore to get there, didn't we.
No, you don't now what I wanted for EVE. And it doesn't matters now, actually. But please, don't offend our intelligence, MY intelligence, pretending that I wanted WiS to become something neither me nor anyone else advocated outside of your trolling."
http://eve-search.com/thread/18380-1/author/Ishtanchuk%20Fazmarai An example of unacceptable wis posting. too horrible to repost. If you agree with this you are SOL and should just unsub, wis will fortunately, be a strictly meaningful gaming type of thang. Also tell us about the dance technology you came up with. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
54
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:57:00 -
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WiS should have been CCP's endgame for Eve development. As they are still working on their in-game, maybe its a good decision. Maybe a bunch of idiots running a company and trying to expand 3-fold with only one revenue generator is a bad idea.
**** and moan all you want but WiS killed a LOT of developer time, CCP resources, and not to mention the splitting of CCP into so many groups to create another two games was a terrible idea and almost brought the company to a stale end. |
Ghazu
323
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Posted - 2012.12.04 05:27:00 -
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http://eve-search.com/thread/98625-1/author/Indahmawar%20Fazmarai#1 This is what you want for wis, the quick and dirty, and the people have responded with a resound hell-no to that zynga imvu second life dogshit, you are absolutely correct, not in my eve. Get out and stay out. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Man'BearPig Spy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:48:00 -
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I too am very sad that the plug has been pulled.
As someone earlier said. I would rather pay for a WiS expansion than getting all of these (some with features that we dont need at all) expansions for free. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
70
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:51:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:WiS should have been CCP's endgame for Eve development. As they are still working on their in-game, maybe its a good decision. Maybe a bunch of idiots running a company and trying to expand 3-fold with only one revenue generator is a bad idea.
**** and moan all you want but WiS killed a LOT of developer time, CCP resources, and not to mention the splitting of CCP into so many groups to create another two games was a terrible idea and almost brought the company to a stale end.
Sure. However in my mind I think the major fail was the idea to develop not a custom EvE 3d avatar envinroment (and eventually using something already existing, game industry is full of premade 3d avatar engines already made and stable) but a new, indipendent engine (carbon) shared on different games; who has some knowledge about software developing can figure the exponential effort and risks of this kind of approach.
And, of course, exponential benefits and income in case of success. I think there was some hybris in CCP at that time, the company collected across the years a never ending sequence of successes, was on a peek of popularity and subscrioptions (Trinity - Apocrypha) and seemed really unstoppable.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1085
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Posted - 2012.12.04 11:24:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:WiS should have been CCP's endgame for Eve development.
Do you mean there that WiS should have been the point at which CCP stopped further development on Eve? I honestly can't tell if that is what you're saying.
Quote:As they are still working on their in-game, maybe its a good decision. Maybe a bunch of idiots running a company and trying to expand 3-fold with only one revenue generator is a bad idea. Trying to produce three games at one from one income source is a bad idea if your company is so dysfunctional that 2 years of development time goes into a new feature and Captain's Quarters is what pops out the other side. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
532
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:15:00 -
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Man'BearPig Spy wrote:I too am very sad that the plug has been pulled.
As someone earlier said. I would rather pay for a WiS expansion than getting all of these (some with features that we dont need at all) expansions for free. I can get behind this as well.
Make it a retail expansion. Those people that want it will buy it, those that don't wont. It would expand the game, bring in new players, and added revenue for CCP. |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
248
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:28:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Make it a retail expansion.
Indeed. I'd pay for ability to open the damn door, look out of station window onto planet and departing ships. Also for some alien pets, plants, pet plants, and - of course! - few exotic dancers in CQ.
Just it should be single retail package for sane price instead of set of separate $70 items. |
Tomiko Kawase
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:32:00 -
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If I were on Team Avatar I'd be taking a serious look at what people are doing with Kickstarter these days. Even if nothing comes out of it, I 'm sure there are plenty of EVE players with plenty of money willing to gamble on an idea. Fight us maybe? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
532
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:39:00 -
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Tomiko Kawase wrote:If I were on Team Avatar I'd be taking a serious look at what people are doing with Kickstarter these days. Even if nothing comes out of it, I 'm sure there are plenty of EVE players with plenty of money willing to gamble on an idea.
If I was CCP I think I'd start asking myself if someone else could develop a game like EVE with avatars before I could develop the avatar part.
I honestly think the biggest threat to the expansion of EVE itself, is another studio coming along and making a game just like it, but with the WiS part included. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
70
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:54:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: I honestly think the biggest threat to the expansion of EVE itself, is another studio coming along and making a game just like it, but with the WiS part included.
Exactly.
About WiS as separate payed expansion module I disagree. This is the idea behind the current NEX store-CQ_Avatar customization we already got in Incarna (and I think NEX store should be removed from the game).
The whole point here is that WIS need to progressively integrate with the major EvE gameplay and standards, i.e. the goods used in WiS have to be produced (and destroyed) in the same economic cycles of EvE. Or would make no sense to me. And this hardly could happen if configured as separate optional expansion.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
535
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:02:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: I honestly think the biggest threat to the expansion of EVE itself, is another studio coming along and making a game just like it, but with the WiS part included.
Exactly. About WiS as separate payed expansion module I disagree. This is the idea behind the current NEX store-CQ_Avatar customization we already got in Incarna (and I think NEX store should be removed from the game). The whole point here is that WIS need to progressively integrate with the major EvE gameplay and standards, i.e. the goods used in WiS have to be produced (and destroyed) in the same economic cycles of EvE. Or would make no sense to me. And this hardly could happen if configured as separate optional expansion. Very good point.
That slipped my mind. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
70
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:10:00 -
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Well, in my vision you can anchor to POS "WiS" modules. Like Habitative modules (kinda like improved CQ), Coorporation lobbies, offices, Recreative Modules (with gambling games for ISK, like the what already done by players on web sites) and so on.
All this should be built, have mantainence costs and so on, as any other POS component. And yes, all this should be destructible. like any other POS component.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
475
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:15:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Tomiko Kawase wrote:If I were on Team Avatar I'd be taking a serious look at what people are doing with Kickstarter these days. Even if nothing comes out of it, I 'm sure there are plenty of EVE players with plenty of money willing to gamble on an idea. If I was CCP I think I'd start asking myself if someone else could develop a game like EVE with avatars before I could develop the avatar part. I honestly think the biggest threat to the expansion of EVE itself, is another studio coming along and making a game just like it, but with the WiS part included.
Kickstarter is a great idea. The more I think about it, the more I like it. There would be ZERO arguments about "EVE players don't want WiS" when EVE players raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for WiS. It'll be very obvious and clear-cut.
As for another game doing what EVE does? I think risk is minimal/nonexistent. For one, the sci-fi genre is notoriously underpopulated, compared to fantasy, especially in MMOs. Second, even upcoming games (like Star Citizen) focus on better combat first, and avatars a distant second. And thirdly, EVE had 10 years to build up some features, so it will still look impressive.
In other words, I think EVE is too old to worry about competition now. Though I do believe that if EVE had serious competition during its life cycle (if Jumpgate, Black Prophecy, etc., weren't total jokes), we would have seen some improvements as the games would borrow successful elements from each other like so many other MMOs do. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
178
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:27:00 -
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There is a good point in Instanchuk's missive:
Quote:There are many things that could had happen in New Eden, and now aren't happening, and will never happen, that it hurts to think of the wasted potential. From blowing ship to shooting dudes. Yeah. We really needed a hundred Chronicles and 10 years of lore to get there, didn't we.
I would love for the lore to be more deeply integrated into the game, and I would love for there to be the convincing illusion that I am part of a vast universe, not just one capsuleer in the equivalent of a small farming community. But the implementation has to be a seamless extension of EVE: If some areas are safer than others, it should be because people are less likely to be violent toward you in some areas, generally--just like it is flying through blue space now. The players should determine that, not the game.
Also, +1 to Kickstarter. Anything that gives CCP more resources without requiring them to take on debt is good. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2975
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:28:00 -
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I am so glad the developers finally realised this was a complete load of crap and dropped it's development. Good WiSance to bad rubbish, (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
832
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:49:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I am so glad the developers finally realised this was a complete load of crap and dropped it's development. Good WiSance to bad rubbish,
Haha, you already posted that in here. A couple of times I think. Posting the same statement a load of times to try and pad the thread out with negativity doesn't work when your so obvious. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.12.07 22:49:00 -
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This thread has given me quite a bit of hope. In fact, I just re-upped my account after a year of inactivity to express my interest in WiS/Incarna, and that the chance of eventually having Avatar-based gameplay is the future.
Let me point out I'm not a carebear - I'm just a realist. My meagre 8 million SPs don't stand a chance against the 200 million SP juggernauts that fly in the vast dark, so I've been forced to find other ways to enjoy the remarkable environment of EVE. Dance emotes and fashion shows have absolutely NO place in the incredible setting of EVE... but compelling, relevant, Avatar-based gameplay is a neccessity if EVE is to keep ahead of the competition.
Games have always evolved by adding that 'plus factor' that gets the gamer's attention. From my first Pong console in the early '70s, through the Commodore and the Atari, into PCs and PS3s and XBoxes, games have continued to expand in scope from a single paddle bouncing a ball into the wonderous EVE Universe we have today.
But unless EVE grows in scope, competition will eventually come and add that extra 'holy grail' factor no other sci-fi game has done to date by successfully integrating human and ship avatars into a single game. I would prefer CCP be the guys that did it first. We all want EVE to remain the coolest game online.
PLEASE keep the possibility of relevant, engaging, compelling Avatar-based gameplay alive. |
Alexandar Pavlovic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:05:00 -
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I really hope that WiS would be implemented despite all WiS haters. I like EVE as it is. Dark and unforgiving environment and WIS should be like that.
Only thing I don't understand are WiS haters. According to them WiS would take out "darkness" from EVE but Snowball launchers are somehow "badass"? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
8538
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:15:00 -
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WIS will come, question is only when... my guss would be after WoD Online.
Why it needs to come? Cause you can only do as much with spaceships alone... WIS is the logical, next step for a fully fledged scifie simulation. "Ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
264
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:27:00 -
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All i want is to be able to walk around my ship, not the whole ship but parts of it, to be able to have my corp mates come onto my ship and walk around while we chat our usuall ****, it would be allot of fun to sit around and chill in a nice enviroment, look out the windows ect. To be able to see the insides of the things i have been staring at for years would be wonderfull, it would give you a true appreciation of the scale of the ships. Would be nice to be able to walk down the stairs from the captains quarters and actually walk around the outside of your ship aswell, imagine being able to see a carrier in its full glory and finally appreciate just how big those things are and now many people die everytime one pops. The Forsworn Protectorate-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Codie Dunier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:32:00 -
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I actually like WiS, even if it's limited to the CQ at the moment... It has a lot of potential. If they're gonna expand on it, that'd be awesome. And another reason for me to stay out of Jita. I don't want 2000 lunatics running around in-station, trying to kill me like some average FPS-players. The hundreds of pirates on the Jita 4-4 undock is already hard enough to escape. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3265
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:34:00 -
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Posts have been removed from this thread for breaching the following rules:
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4. Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
Please stay on topic - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
71
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Posted - 2012.12.08 21:48:00 -
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Kickstart Walk in Stations/Incarna and we'll get it this summer. |
Sh'nara
Woof Club
11
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Posted - 2012.12.09 08:28:00 -
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^^ This guy knows what he's talking about. Let people donate with Plex in a kick starter campaign.
Come on CCP, all the cool kids are doing it! |
Herr Hammer Draken
168
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Posted - 2012.12.09 09:19:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
838
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Posted - 2012.12.09 09:29:00 -
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I'm not sure if I have already said this, but if a kickstarter (or similar) project started up, I would pay out. I'm not sure I would happy about paying out, but I want WiS content enough that I would. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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