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Bane Necran Appono Astos 756	Posted - 2012.11.22 20:41:00 - [91] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: "Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?" Laughably and demonstrably false. Really? You just block out the frothing hordes of bloodthirsty people screaming for the death of everyone who doesn't PvP? Or are you being intentionally dense here? You never see carebears saying all PvP players have no right to exist, but frequently the opposite is said. You're all finally going to get the carebear free game you've always wanted. I hope it matches your expectations, and also hope you trained your mining and industry up. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 1133	Posted - 2012.11.22 20:51:00 - [92] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: We'll just cut our losses and move on. Can I have your stuff? www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
Bane Necran Appono Astos 756	Posted - 2012.11.22 21:08:00 - [93] - Quote KrakizBad wrote: Can I have your stuff? Plan on keeping it all for when this goes f2p. And i'm not even really putting any blame on CCP for all this. The only mistake they made was giving in to the space PvP enthusiasts and shelving plans for anything else. The truly sad thing is these upcoming games will also be trying to offer better PvP, and EVE will definitely be losing PvP players to them as well, so maybe not even the group who forced their hand will stick around. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Fractal Muse Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2012.11.22 21:11:00 - [94] - Quote I'm one of the players who would like to see Walking in Stations finished. I'd love to be able to chill in a station pub / game room with other players and play games. It'd be nice to look out of a window and see the ships docking and undocking. I don't think WiS is what did Incarna in - it was the bad noble exchange design that got people really upset. But since the two things happened in the same expansion both took the blame for the dramatic loss of subscriptions. CCP should continue to focus on EVE online as a space game. The focus should continue to be on player interactions and giving the players the tools to do what they want. To me this means more building options, more political options, and more interaction between 0.0, low sec, wormhole space, and high sec. I would like to see the ability in Faction Warfare to split system control so that each system could have presence from both sides and they would fight it out to push the other side out of the system. I don't like the one or the other side control of a system. There is so much that CCP can still do with EVE to push it forward and grow its playerbase by providing the tools to players to engage in the activities that they want to. Unfortunately, a lot gets lost in focus on specific areas of the game without looking to the broader picture. Incursions were and are amazing but they just aren't integrated into the overall game universe. They are just like missions - a separate and different element of the game where what one does with them really has no impact. You can't even go to the Sansha home systems to try and prevent the incursions. They just keep happening regardless of player involvement. If players 'beat' an incursion a new one happens. If players ignore an incursion a new one happens. The end result is the same and that makes me sad. They were an incredible potential tool to link 0.0, low sec, high sec, and wormhole space together. For example, an incursion site could have opened wormholes to the different types of space allowing players to move through. If an incursion was allowed to culminate and 'win' then the security status / sovereignty of the system could be changed. The universe needs to become more dynamic in my opinion. But, at the same time, I am playing EVE and enjoying myself. I just keep wishing for that overall vision of greater player impact on the game universe itself and, yeah, I want Walking in Stations finished. More player interaction is good. Imagine the diplomatic opportunities of meeting in stations.
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 742	Posted - 2012.11.22 21:24:00 - [95] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Bane Necran wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients. It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered. The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass. "Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?" Laughably and demonstrably false. The reality of what I've been "begging for" is that our clients are something like 3x the size they used to be, with no extra functionality whatsoever. If WiS development had been centered around more than just the virtual equivalent of $1k jeans, maybe your claims would have an iota of validity. and there it is again !!!! the idiotic linking of the Nexfail to want to have WIS R.S.I2014
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit 67	Posted - 2012.11.22 22:29:00 - [96] - Quote Im glad Star Citizens and Elite will be making an appearance, havn't seen a space sim like X-Wing/TIE Fighter & Freespace 2 for some time. Star Citizens will be moddable like Skyrim/Arma series, thats something I am really looking forward to. I'll still play EvE as nothing has its universe and gameplay, but if I want something different in a spacegame for a bit, I hope I can turn to alternatives.
Xenuria Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts 621	Posted - 2012.11.23 02:09:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Bayesian wrote: Just to answer a couple of points: Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features. WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome. So the end times are in fact upon us now... Despite all the money and resources CCP has, their offices continue to look like relaxing vacation spots to me. Why can't CCP do what BUNGIE did and really buckle down until something gets done. Does CCP need more people? More money? Better People? All of these things can be provided if only they are asked for. Xenuria CSM 8
Darth Khasei Sunstar Business Ventures Inc. 38	Posted - 2012.11.23 02:14:00 - [98] - Quote Respect. WIS was/is a good idea horrifically implemented. It is good that is gone until such time as the devs can "incorporate" it into the already existing eve world. Getting it to run at the same frame rates as the rest of the current game should be goal number one when they go back to it, in a few years.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1895	Posted - 2012.11.23 09:37:00 - [99] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: Part of me is still in disbelief. I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again. Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned. Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server. That was the PVP they intended. They'd consider it a win.
Herr Hammer Draken 161	Posted - 2012.11.23 09:53:00 - [100] - Quote I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 206	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:00:00 - [101] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. Well it could have been a really interesting link to Dust players to be honest. I personally do not have the CQ - environment activated as it is pointless to stare at the exit door... Probably WIS just is beyond the server capabilities....one solution may have been to instance the station environment on special servers (I really hate to bring the WoW excample here but I have to). I am sure they looked at all possibilities abd found that the technical possibilities are just not given at the moment....(Time dilataion in a station environment REALLY would suck ...). I think the effort may be made if and once DUST performs well. "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5228	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:01:00 - [102] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. WiS isn't "FPS", it's a 3rd-person avatar engine. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Herr Hammer Draken 161	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:13:00 - [103] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. WiS isn't "FPS", it's a 3rd-person avatar engine. That is where you are so wrong. The very next thing for WiS is to give players guns to shoot at each other in stations. That is what ships are for in eve. Why do we encourage WiS players? What good can it add to eve? What roll can it play? All it does is eat system resources that are needed already elsewhere. WiS adds nothing to the economic model of eve. It adds nothing to PvP unless you add guns and that is what dust is for. It is only a distraction to the game. Hey already we have so many threads about nerf high sec because the PvP players want more targets. If you add WiS to eve a whole lot more players will become unavailable for PvP because they will be WiS! WTF! It is so backwards to what eve is about. The whole idea of WiS is detrimental to eve game play. It eats sytem resources, it occupies players that should be elsewhere, it occupies CCP employees that should be doing eve programing fixes instead. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 249	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:29:00 - [104] - Quote CCP, pay no attention to the above poster other than to point and laugh at him. Here's the deal: Yes, EVE IS a pewpew in spaceships game and its focus needs to remain that way (and stay as "harsh" as possible) but expanding on the whole setting, giving us more stuff to do ensures the longevity of the game and makes it more... colourful. I never was a fan of it as such but it DOES add to the game when done right. What CCP has to realise is that when we raged at Incarna in CCP's darkest hour we weren't really raging at Incarna itself but rather at the :18 months:, the state of the game as it was and the lack of focus you guys had on core EVE gameplay. We LIKE the idea of incarna as long as it doesn't happen at the expensive of said core gameplay. So please DO keep WiS on your todo list, even if it's a long term project, it'll ensure we stay interested in the game because we can "clown around" doing different stuff. EVE is in a better state than ever and with the rebalancing, UI changes etc around the corner. Once you complete it and had a look at SOV/POS stuff you can take the pressure off a bit and focus elsewhere, let that be WiS. Amat victoria curam.
Herr Hammer Draken 161	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:38:00 - [105] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: CCP, pay no attention to the above poster other than to point and laugh at him. Here's the deal: Yes, EVE IS a pewpew in spaceships game and its focus needs to remain that way (and stay as "harsh" as possible) but expanding on the whole setting, giving us more stuff to do ensures the longevity of the game and makes it more... colourful. I never was a fan of it as such but it DOES add to the game when done right. What CCP has to realise is that when we raged at Incarna in CCP's darkest hour we weren't really raging at Incarna itself but rather at the :18 months:, the state of the game as it was and the lack of focus you guys had on core EVE gameplay. We LIKE the idea of incarna as long as it doesn't happen at the expensive of said core gameplay. So please DO keep WiS on your todo list, even if it's a long term project, it'll ensure we stay interested in the game because we can "clown around" doing different stuff. EVE is in a better state than ever and with the rebalancing, UI changes etc around the corner. Once you complete it and had a look at SOV/POS stuff you can take the pressure off a bit and focus elsewhere, let that be WiS. IMHO you are just looking for something else to do while you are station camped. What a waste for CCP to add WiS to eve. I can see all of the nerf WiS threads already. The complaints against it will be epic if it ever gets done. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 249	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:51:00 - [106] - Quote I don't GET station camped, so yet another nonsense post by you it seems. Amat victoria curam.
Herr Hammer Draken 161	Posted - 2012.11.23 11:01:00 - [107] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: I don't GET station camped, so yet another nonsense post by you it seems. Does not matter if you do not, a whole lot of people do get station camped and they will be laughing at the campers in local while hanging out in WiS environment. And that will lead to an epic backlash to nerf WiS on the forums. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 251	Posted - 2012.11.23 12:14:00 - [108] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: I don't GET station camped, so yet another nonsense post by you it seems. Does not matter if you do not, a whole lot of people do get station camped and they will be laughing at the campers in local while hanging out in WiS environment. And that will lead to an epic backlash to nerf WiS on the forums. So what you're trying to tell us is that you are a station camper and the only targets you like are the ones who can't deal/avoid/fight their way around that? And that WiS scares the living crap out of you as that would diminish your "power" you have over other players? Ok. Amat victoria curam.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 729	Posted - 2012.11.23 12:16:00 - [109] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: I don't GET station camped, so yet another nonsense post by you it seems. Does not matter if you do not, a whole lot of people do get station camped and they will be laughing at the campers in local while hanging out in WiS environment. And that will lead to an epic backlash to nerf WiS on the forums. Your an idiot. People already do that. Also, their plan for exploration WiS wouldn't change what your saying, because it would only be in WH space and only in anomalies that are scanned down. If anything it gives you more opportunity to station camp, not less. Plus, someone could just steal their ship whilst they're in there.. No need to camp. Just turn up and take their **** if you want. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Herr Hammer Draken 162	Posted - 2012.11.23 12:57:00 - [110] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: I don't GET station camped, so yet another nonsense post by you it seems. Does not matter if you do not, a whole lot of people do get station camped and they will be laughing at the campers in local while hanging out in WiS environment. And that will lead to an epic backlash to nerf WiS on the forums. Your an idiot. People already do that. It's called alt tab. Also, their plan for exploration WiS wouldn't change what your saying, because it would only be in WH space and only in anomalies that are scanned down. If anything it gives you more opportunity to station camp, not less. Plus, someone could just steal their ship whilst they're in there.. No need to camp. Just turn up and take their **** if you want. If you want to play with dolls I have a ton of my kids barbie dolls to sell to you. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5231	Posted - 2012.11.23 13:13:00 - [111] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. WiS isn't "FPS", it's a 3rd-person avatar engine. That is where you are so wrong. The very next thing for WiS is to give players guns to shoot at each other in stations.. You don't actually know what "FPS" means, do you? It's OK to admit this. Why don't you look up "first person" and familiarise yourself with the meaning, then we'll continue. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Herr Hammer Draken 162	Posted - 2012.11.23 13:29:00 - [112] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. WiS isn't "FPS", it's a 3rd-person avatar engine. That is where you are so wrong. The very next thing for WiS is to give players guns to shoot at each other in stations.. You don't actually know what "FPS" means, do you? It's OK to admit this. Why don't you look up "first person" and familiarise yourself with the meaning, then we'll continue. You sound like a reasonable person. So what is the reason to add WiS to eve? Why spend game resources on it? What will it add to the game that is themattic to eve? Give me a good reason other than I want it. No reason listed in this thread is worth it. All I see are several good reasons to not add WiS to eve. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 253	Posted - 2012.11.23 13:52:00 - [113] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: No reason listed in this thread is worth it. All I see are several good reasons to not add WiS to eve. then you're a closed-minded luddite and an idiot. EVE is not a spaceships game, it's a science-fiction game that for the time being happens to be almost exclusively confined to the arena of spaceships. There are a lot of people (myself included) who want to see the face-to-face interaction side of things expand, see new markets to exploit. I want to own a casino, trade black-market boosters over the counter, be able to sneak aboard enemy POS structures and plant a bomb, raid incursion sites with a strike team to steal high-tech Sansha goodies, and throw those damn Quafe bottles in my agent's face. And frak you if you think your narrow-mindedness and lack of vision is a good enough reason to deprive other players of the features they want. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5234	Posted - 2012.11.23 14:34:00 - [114] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Malcanis wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: I can only hope WiS gets axed forever. FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game. If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for. WiS isn't "FPS", it's a 3rd-person avatar engine. That is where you are so wrong. The very next thing for WiS is to give players guns to shoot at each other in stations.. You don't actually know what "FPS" means, do you? It's OK to admit this. Why don't you look up "first person" and familiarise yourself with the meaning, then we'll continue. You sound like a reasonable person. So what is the reason to add WiS to eve? Why spend game resources on it? What will it add to the game that is themattic to eve? Give me a good reason other than I want it. No reason listed in this thread is worth it. All I see are several good reasons to not add WiS to eve. With pleasure. After nearly 10 years, EVE has a fantastic number of ships and game mechanics. Not only have most of the "obvious" niches been filled, making it creatively much more difficult to think of new things to do, it is also developmentally more expensive too - whatever new ship, module or game mechanic is proposed, it must be very slowly and carefully developed to make sure it won't break anything that already exists in game. In mathematical terms, it's an NP! type problem, and EVE's "P" is getting really large now. WiS literally offers an end run (OK, walk) around this problem. It's wide open because there's currently nothing to do in it. It is therefore a huge opportunity for CCP to score lots of "easy wins" in developing new things for us to do that won't interfere with the code of existing things, and won't obselete of the things that we do in ships. Additionally, they could use their experience to avoid some of the design mistakes that have plagued EVE over the years. And finally, since CCP have already invested a huge amount of resources on the Carbon engine, i think it'd be nice if we actually saw some return on that. The :18 months: was bad enough. To end up with getting nothing from it would be worse. It's ridiculous to say that there's no gameplay possibilities for WiS - there are hundreds of avatar based games out there and thousands of good ideas CCP could easily lift and adapt into EVE. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1796	Posted - 2012.11.23 14:42:00 - [115] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: You sound like a reasonable person. So what is the reason to add WiS to eve? Why spend game resources on it? What will it add to the game that is themattic to eve? Give me a good reason other than I want it. Lets see... the ability for me to dock up when your too chicken ** to undock with your 6 month old npc alt... find your CQ, gank your good for nothing big mouth clone while your ship spinning and moaning about avatar gameplay, steal your stuff and watch you emo rage on the forums over legitimate tactics when you realize you got schooled with WiS.... Yea. Sounds about right. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!**
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 31	Posted - 2012.11.23 15:02:00 - [116] - Quote Beside in this interview David Reid from CCP: Quote: GÇ£Your DUST marine can walk into a station and meet an EVE avatar, and rather than negotiate a contract over text chat, you could do it GÇÿvirtually in person.GÇÖGÇ¥ This also includes the addition of GÇ£space elevators,GÇ¥ which will allow players to travel to the DUST 514 battleground or onto an EVE space station, when playing either title. Such links between the two games wonGÇÖt occur until DUST 514GÇ¦s open beta, which is scheduled for sometime in early 2013. While, i think David Reid is a marketting guy in CCP. And in IT related companies marketting guys often has, how to say, a different point of view in respect of developers... But jsut to see the possible general idea.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 384	Posted - 2012.11.23 15:22:00 - [117] - Quote Sura Sadiva wrote: Beside in this interview David Reid from CCP: Quote: GÇ£Your DUST marine can walk into a station and meet an EVE avatar, and rather than negotiate a contract over text chat, you could do it GÇÿvirtually in person.GÇÖGÇ¥ This also includes the addition of GÇ£space elevators,GÇ¥ which will allow players to travel to the DUST 514 battleground or onto an EVE space station, when playing either title. Such links between the two games wonGÇÖt occur until DUST 514GÇ¦s open beta, which is scheduled for sometime in early 2013. While, i think David Reid is a marketting guy in CCP. And in IT related companies marketting guys often has, how to say, a different point of view in respect of developers... But jsut to see the possible general idea. Yeeeeah...I'll believe it when I see it. And even then, I probably won't believe it...
Jonah Gravenstein Holistic Materials Research Council 3592	Posted - 2012.11.23 15:46:00 - [118] - Quote When WiS is eventually brought into the game, the possibilities are endless, the game could be taken to a whole new level with people specialising in assassinating clones of war targets in stations, destruction of station bound assets, shooting another player in the face over a game of cards, stealing other peoples ships while they're busy doing an EVA exploration, putting your own team into an exploration site with the aim of either beating others to the objective or just plain killing them after they've gotten to it and stealing whatever they found. Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid Corporations Sales, hisec POS rights
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 752	Posted - 2012.11.23 15:47:00 - [119] - Quote Arduemont wrote: For those of you interested in WiS content, like myself, you will be disheartened to find out that it seems CCP have pulled the plug on using Carbon as the engine for the World of Darkness game. http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/Article/750/exclusive-incarnacarbon-forked-between-eve-and-wod-mmo.aspx Omg, someone needs to reskin that asap . WOD doesn't mean items, websites etc. related to it, should be unreadable and look bad at the same time. You can go dark and look good while retaining readability. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
Nylith Empyreal Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 159	Posted - 2012.11.23 15:47:00 - [120] - Quote I laugh when people talk of dolls and barbies, I'm sure anyone with a sister has played with them before and your whole displeasure of them now is misguided. After all your zooming toy spaceships with terrible dimensions, unrealistic movements, much like a child making that buzzing noise as he runs around with an airplane. Get over yourselves. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here."

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