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beastkiller69
Shogun's Samurai Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:19:00 -
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Spc One wrote:What patch notes don't tell you:
EXPANSION ABOUT NERFS, Because Missiles were ok for 6 years now but now they're overpowered.
a.) PVE
1. All missile ships are now obsolete (very low range and decreased damage) 2. All Drone ships are now obsolete due to new AI (your drones get targeted as soon as you deploy them) 3. All ships that rely on drones for protection against frigates are obsolete 4. NPC's tracking disruptor now affects optimal range and falloff instead of just optimal range, which makes 800mm's minmatar ships obsolete in pve. 5. All npc complexes and ark missions are now insanely hard to do, you can't use drones 6. There are only few ships that can save you from mission if you loose all of your drones and get stuck (scrambled with npc agression). 7. New meta 9 - 14 drone modules are obsolete for pve, since ai will always shoot your drones. 8. If you use marauders or other ships for guristas missions you'll get perma jammed, there's nothing you can do since you can't use drones.
b). PVP 1. All Heavy Missile ships are now obsolete 2. Drake is worst battlecruiser for pvp 3. Hurricane got nerfed so it is kinda useless now 4. Tengu now sucks compared to other t-3's 5. Very hard to gank someone ratting in low sec or 0.0 with stealth bombers or frigate since npc's will switch targets
agreed ccp get your stuff together
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Barakkus
1830
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:20:00 -
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Please make the constant buzzing noise stop when ever there's a session change when you have an aggression timer or when an aggression timer is initiated, it's really irritating. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:23:00 -
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So gate guns don't your drones now, but everything else does. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2088
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:As usual, a thread full of people who haven't looked at the patch notes, dev blogs, or player created threads that have been around for weeks or in many cases months explaining these changes and how to cope with them.
Things like:
How to hunt rats successfully with drones without losing them all.
You mean by exploiting a bug or buying a Tengu?
Ranger 1 wrote: Showing that the new icons are no bigger, just laid out differently... and can be put into multiple rows now (and stay there) for sorting your targets.
You mean you can revert back to rectangular targetting just by reading the forums? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:27:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:How to hunt rats successfully with drones without losing them all. I haven't actually heard a long term fix for this yet save to take advantage of a bug which will be patched out. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2088
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:29:00 -
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Tara Tyrael wrote:
And CPP, remove the new sounds. They are terrible. Whats next, ship models done in MS Paint?
The new Mega has already been done in MS Paint. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mikhail Nehalem
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:30:00 -
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I just really want a way to mute this noise (without muting all UI noise) that won't go away and makes me think my headphones are broken. Love the visual timers, hate the noise. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2799
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:As usual, a thread full of people who haven't looked at the patch notes, dev blogs, or player created threads that have been around for weeks or in many cases months explaining these changes and how to cope with them.
Things like:
How to hunt rats successfully with drones without losing them all.
You mean by exploiting a bug or buying a Tengu? Ranger 1 wrote: Showing that the new icons are no bigger, just laid out differently... and can be put into multiple rows now (and stay there) for sorting your targets.
You mean you can revert back to rectangular targetting just by reading the forums?
Since CCP has said the recall tactic is perfectly fine to use until they bring in the new drone UI and/or have a chance to fine tune the drone aggro settings it is neither an exploit nor a Tengu.
And no, I mean exactly what I said concerning Icons. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:30:00 -
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Prometheus Lapetos wrote:All you nubs crying about tiny flaws in a great system and threatening to leave cause u cant exploit old game mechanics any more good bye and farewell dont expect the tru gamers to miss you.
The Last dev blog said everything needed to be said almost all your complaints were address with what was going to happen.. Mission runners and drones.. What did you think sleeper AI meant... Learn the game mechanics before you complain about stuff.. if you dont understand the mechanic your problem not ccp's..
This AI change works great to reduce the Expoit of afk players simply dropping drones in sites and going afk and farming.. I.E Deltole where drrons boats were previously address about being afk and farming bounties... this is a step above that....
The missle range nerf was already stated.. we didnt expect 35% i havent verified how far mine still go but my drake now has more dps. not less so check ur facts before try and burn ccp to the ground..
This, while i would have used other words : )
I think a lot of issues (which many state as being their "game play") got fixed with this patch.
If this patch reduces the amount of ISK being made afk it is a good one already, almost regardless of how the rest goes. : )
Beside that it made the game a bit more hard core which is basically what keeps me playing since many years. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:31:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tara Tyrael wrote:
And CPP, remove the new sounds. They are terrible. Whats next, ship models done in MS Paint?
The new Mega has already been done in MS Paint. Ok, now that's just slander at this point. The new Megathron hull is awesome. Your negativity cannot taint its glory. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2799
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:32:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tara Tyrael wrote:
And CPP, remove the new sounds. They are terrible. Whats next, ship models done in MS Paint?
The new Mega has already been done in MS Paint. Ok, now that's just slander at this point. The new Megathron hull is awesome. Your negativity cannot taint its glory. Fully agreed. It looks outstanding. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:33:00 -
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GiveMeATry wrote: .. get noobs to fly smaller ships for you in a fleet..
doesnt work that well
a Level 4 mission Frigate is not the same beastie as a Level 1 mission Frigate
therefore noob is more likely to die in 1 volley, before you even have chance to apply remote rep effect |
Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:36:00 -
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Nene Ryuseika wrote:Looks like salvage drones will only go off and salvage by themselves if you are the one who made the wreaks.
For anyone else trying to use salvage drones on friendly wreaks its target and engage one at a time. - so more effort than just a salvager.
I'de really like to know if this is bug or proper function?
I would like to know if Its going to stay this way I might as well stop training the skill and dump em drones.
Also the lack of corp hangers on the carrier has just made a total mess of fittings, ammo fuel and loot. :S
And containers don't help - other people can't access them.
This is terribad. The auto-salvage function should only be bypassed for yellow wrecks - else they are useless on an alt Noctis (which would beg the question "Why the drone bay?"). |
Tara Tyrael
Skyrim Ind.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:36:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:GiveMeATry wrote: .. get noobs to fly smaller ships for you in a fleet..
doesnt work that well a Level 4 mission Frigate is not the same beastie as a Level 1 mission Frigate therefore noob is more likely to die in 1 volley, before you even have chance to apply remote rep effect
Nah, he would die in real life from the damn Bzzz noise for shooting every 2-3 seconds...
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ValentineMichael Smith
Black Adder Dynamic The Lost Accord
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:37:00 -
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I was trying to use a weapon that doesn't require targeting, you know, the area of effect thing that doesn't use ammo. (Can't think what it's called at the moment, too tired) and the game would not let me turn it on unless I completely turned off the new safety feature. This makes no sense since I was attacking rats.
Secondly, in a different ship with regular turrets, I tried to target Rats and and I could not. Got a message that the rat was "Indestructible". I could only target them after they targeted me first. I hope these effects aren't intended and are fixed.
Not thrilled that I had to unfit a salvaging unit due to a ship losing a slot either. wtf?
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GeeBee
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:37:00 -
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I disagree with the sensor compensation skills. If the intended purpose is making ECM less effective then simply buff the sensor strength of all ships by 20%, adding these 4 skills to the game just adds more junk skills for everyone to train, and will simply end up hurting lower SP characters more in the long run.
Also **** off you wankers for locking other threads and referring everything to this thread.
Original Post was locked in 3min Censorship and misdirection at its best. |
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
51
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:42:00 -
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It was said that with the addition of the Sensor Comp. skills, that ECM str would also be tweaked accordingly, but it doesn't appear as if it has. In which case, these skills are op, since one ECCM already makes you fearless to any single Falcon; so it equates to an ECM nerf.
Also, the longer this patch is out, the more I hate it. These red halo's obscure the battlefield when I zoom out. The circles are hard to read. This goddamned squealing noise? The **** is that ****? I haven't hated a patch this much since they changed sov. Please please please please impliment an option to turn this garbage off. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2088
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:42:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Well..... I've done a little testing and the patch was a ninja nerf to ratting. The dev blogs seemed to suggest that big rats would aggro big ships and smaller rats would aggro smaller ships but that doesn't happen. My ratting gear consists of a megathron and a loki and the loki used to take all the aggro and now takes none. The up side is that you don't need to recall drones between waves but the down side is that the megathron takes nearly all the aggro, which it doesn't tank as well as the loki.
The immediate effect is that my ratting income is abruptly 30% lower even after tweaking ships. I may be able to get that down to 20% but not without investing a small fortune in ratting gear. The megathron/loki combination is now no better than using 2x tengu, which sucks compared to how it was performing before the patch.
That said, I'm still making 90mil per hour ratting before looting so it's not *bad* just worse than it was.
T-
Didn't you get the memo?
Last patch it was: "BUY MACKINAW! (or die)".
This one is: "BUY TENGU (or DIE!)".
We can now remove all the other ships, we got our FOTM.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2088
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:43:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tara Tyrael wrote:
And CPP, remove the new sounds. They are terrible. Whats next, ship models done in MS Paint?
The new Mega has already been done in MS Paint. Ok, now that's just slander at this point. The new Megathron hull is awesome. Your negativity cannot taint its glory. Fully agreed. It looks outstanding.
It looks like plastic, I preferred the old model. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Nene Ryuseika
The Ryuseika Group
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:46:00 -
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Kairos Antilles wrote:
This is terribad. The auto-salvage function should only be bypassed for yellow wrecks - else they are useless on an alt Noctis (which would beg the question "Why the drone bay?").
exactly, 3 of us brought a set of salvage drones today - I thought CCP finally threw us a bone for those endless can fields you get outta signatures.
but even with t2 salvage tackle rigged noctis - looting still takes tons more time than actually killing the rats
and thanks to new AI - noctis has to wait until the whole deals done before it can get to work even.
(altho I wouldn't change that - you have to admit regular rats WERE dumb as dirt ) |
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
230
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:55:00 -
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Lol, so it turns out that not only can you put a bounty on anyone you want to now, but you can also put one on yourself - I just put 100,000 on my own head for ***** and giggles.
Come n' get it, kiddies
EDIT: I have to add, as an afterthought, and having never had a bounty on me before...
is receiving an EVE-mail telling you WHO placed the bounty a new thing or has it always been there? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
51
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:57:00 -
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The salvage drones aren't even 'new', they've just been sitting on the shelves for years and CCP needed something to throw out so we would be distracted by shiny **** and not be so upset over broken stuff. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
230
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:59:00 -
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Korinne wrote:The salvage drones aren't even 'new', they've just been sitting on the shelves for years and CCP needed something to throw out so we would be distracted by shiny **** and not be so upset over broken stuff.
Yeah cuz it's not like there's nothing else new in the game AT ALL is it. They were relying one hundred per cent on salvage drones being a game changer.
/derp You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:00:00 -
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Nene Ryuseika wrote:Kairos Antilles wrote:
This is terribad. The auto-salvage function should only be bypassed for yellow wrecks - else they are useless on an alt Noctis (which would beg the question "Why the drone bay?").
exactly, 3 of us brought a set of salvage drones today - I thought CCP finally threw us a bone for those endless can fields you get outta signatures. but even with t2 salvage tackle rigged noctis - looting still takes tons more time than actually killing the rats and thanks to new AI - noctis has to wait until the whole deals done before it can get to work even. (altho I wouldn't change that - you have to admit regular rats WERE dumb as dirt )
A little further testing (with one toon, not with main killing and alt salvaging). Killed mission rats. Targeted wrecks. Set to agressive. Deployed drones. Clicked "Salvage".
Wreck salvaged. Drones orbit. Auto-salvage simply does not work. |
Torg Fireforge
Slam Pig Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:03:00 -
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PVP 1. All Heavy Missile ships are now obsolete 2. Drake is worst battlecruiser for pvp 3. Hurricane got nerfed so it is kinda useless now 4. Tengu now sucks compared to other t-3's
With all this in mind I thought the plan was to Balance the ships not make ships useless to use since the Caldari ships have take not 5% but a 40 to 50 hit on range and 12 to 15 % hit on damage and the boost to the size is negated by the reduction. How is that making ships fair or complareable please explain..
I guess the CCP wants to loose money as most of its players were Caldari cause in Jita alone on any given day was in around 2000 people.
In the past year there have been big changes that are really causing me to rethink my playing eve in the long run your 10 more a month you made some drastic changes that might make the game to hard to do level 4's . I love the game but with these changes i just do not know if i can see this as a game i am willing to put money on every two months... i was just begining to be able to do the Level 4 missions on my own now that seems it may not be my best plan... I was realling begining to love this game.... |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:06:00 -
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I jusr want to corroborate what others have already mentioned : peformance is noticebly worse. This is interesting because as i read through the dev blogs, they said they were making a lot of performance improvements.
I usually run two clients on my laptop just fine. Now, all graphics settings are either off/disabled or on low. And it is still a very very low frame rate.
A single client on my main tower with 3.3 GigHz quad core processor, 8G RAM, and high powered graphics card is fine. But two clients is really not good, and kills my laptop which used to run them fine..
This is something I really hope is fixable. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
230
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:08:00 -
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Torg Fireforge wrote:PVP 1. All Heavy Missile ships are now obsolete 2. Drake is worst battlecruiser for pvp 3. Hurricane got nerfed so it is kinda useless now 4. Tengu now sucks compared to other t-3's
With all this in mind I thought the plan was to Balance the ships not make ships useless to use since the Caldari ships have take not 5% but a 40 to 50 hit on range and 12 to 15 % hit on damage and the boost to the size is negated by the reduction. How is that making ships fair or complareable please explain..
I guess the CCP wants to loose money as most of its players were Caldari cause in Jita alone on any given day was in around 2000 people.
In the past year there have been big changes that are really causing me to rethink my playing eve in the long run your 10 more a month you made some drastic changes that might make the game to hard to do level 4's . I love the game but with these changes i just do not know if i can see this as a game i am willing to put money on every two months... i was just begining to be able to do the Level 4 missions on my own now that seems it may not be my best plan... I was realling begining to love this game....
Ships are only as useless as the players that can't figure out how to use them effectively. Seriously, even a Velator can be useful.
The changes just mean you have to rethink your fits. When you consider how many ships have been buffed as well as nerfed, don't start whining just because your personal favourites took a hit. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Scaramanga Erquilenne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:08:00 -
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Just three months in to this game and its been hard work to learn but enjoyed most of it .Now i find i have to spend even more effort and time to set up music for the game.I cant believe they removed a feature from the game all because of driver updates and resources.
I cant stand the default action music but i like most of the other tracks .I set up my custom play list and was quite happy with that was just using the default tracks and removing the ones i did not like.I Like the other updates but the jukebox removal has really annoyed me .I don't expect user friendly features to be removed from a game that i would pay over a 120 euro a year to play.
So on top of the massive learning curve i now have to spend my time finding and creating a music play list that i like .Seems the Dev's assume all there player are music savy with MP3 play list in there back pockets and knowledge of how to get all the music free and set it up .All I wanted to do was remove some of the default tracks from the play list now that option is gone for me it seems.Just making things harder for new players .
My 3 months is almost up unless a new in game feature for music appears i doubt i will renew.Having the control over the play list was a key feature ti my enjoyment and immersion in Eve .Its a slippery slope when Dev's start removing user friendly features to save cost.
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Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
51
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:13:00 -
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You didn't 'reduce' heavy missle range, you cut it by over 25% |
Nene Ryuseika
The Ryuseika Group
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:14:00 -
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Kairos Antilles wrote:A little further testing (with one toon, not with main killing and alt salvaging). Killed mission rats. Targeted wrecks. Set to agressive. Deployed drones. Clicked "Salvage". Wreck salvaged. Drones orbit. Auto-salvage simply does not work.
On a side note, I'm getting a little bored with developing software requirements and breaking the programs (in unit test and integration test) that the programmers develop based on those requirements at my current job. Willing to relocate to Reykjavik *wink wink, nudge nudge*
Oh I can get them to autosalvage everything - before targeting any wreaks poop them out and set salvage - but if they are a fleet & corp mates wreaks it will say "there is no suitable wreaks"
Also it won't work if you leave grid and come back to your own wreaks.
FFS but sometimes I gotta pee!!! |
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