So it looks like ASBs are still vastly better. Lol.

Although I don't remember when was the last time I heard of a single-repper BC/BS for PvP, and for multiple reppers you need a cap booster anyways, so this new module...

You cannot balance ships around the insane tank they get with maxed t3 bonuses. If people think the tanks too much (which it f u c king isn't, because everyone brings a blob when they see a classic active tanked ship) then bonuses need addressing (which they are being).

You know without bonuses, just a lowely set of low grade crystals and a DG large booster, a sleip only tanks 551 dps and it's not even cap stable tanking that. So a command ship with a faction booster can't even tank a drake, a god damn drake. If you use asb you can't sustain your tank long enough now with the nerf to booster volume.

Done that both at CS and BS level last year. One of my favourite setups was Phoon of 200 DPS tanked and 40k EHP. Proper tanking is so much more fun than overtanking.
And you need a cap booster even for a single rep, btw.

You know bonuses will never get nerfed, it's time to fix insane tank via nerf base rep amount, and deliver more madness to eve balance.

Why everyone bringing blob to chew classic aktive tanked ship? But not bringing blob when see regular passive tank lyke vagabond.

Curious I don't get those kind of defence numbers more like 458dps tank and something like 50seconds of cap with microwarpdrive off. How did you work it out?

I really hope this entire burst active tanking modules shenanigans will be dropped completely. Active tanking is all about how much ehp will it get you in the timeframe of the fight. And whats the point of the whole approach, gives more at the start and then slowly falls behind, just fit a plate then. These modules will be impossible to balance, and even if you do balance them you will get something you already have in the game, buffer+rep fits. And they are not that great except maybe a couple, for example punisher fits made to solo cruisers/bc.

The opinion that active shield tanking is better because it repairs faster is wrong. Its better because it repairs more. LSBII+SBAII will repair 20% more than 2xMARII. Getting those repairs a couple of seconds faster will rarely save you in some situation but the real big difference is simply more ehp in a fight.
It will take LSBII+SBAII a minute to catch up in repair with LASB, in a ship that has unlimited cap so you can run them constantly, so in practice it is much more, the fight will be already over before that happens. And since you can fit two of them they are better in pve as well. They are not better because they are "burstier", they are better because they give you more ehp. The same deal is with proposed MAAR, MARII will never catch up with it even if you have unlimited cap and can run them for the whole reload time of MAAR.

Why not just buff repair of regular reps to bring them in line with shield booster and nerf ancillary shield booster fitting (to bring it in line with shield booster+capacitor booster fitting requiraments) and limit to one per ship, that would fix active tanking completely, will not break anything or give you huge balancing problems in the future.


Also this does not adress the problems of buffer thanking at all, and that is where the real problems are. Speed has much bigger impact in damage calculation that signature, not to mention other benefits it bring.
The problem is that mandatory propulsion mods, rig penalties for armor/shield tanking, mass of plates and mwd sig bloom basically negate the penalty of shield tanking and amplify the negative effects of armor tanking. This needs fixing.

I withdraw my argument of med & large reppers not needing a rep amount buff and do my theorycrafting in a spreadsheet from now on.

I'd say that a modest increase to rep amount (no more than 10%) as well as a small decrease in cap consumption should be in order. Combined with the reduction in grid of medium and large reppers this should be enough to make the modules competitive w/o making anything glaringly over powered.

Looks like I might have a reason to train Thermodynamics to V now

Done that both at CS and BS level last year. One of my favourite setups was Phoon of 200 DPS tanked and 40k EHP. Proper tanking is so much more fun than overtanking.
And you need a cap booster even for a single rep, btw.

Was taking the AAR into account, so one repper = capless (on BS level a "no-brainer", as reps like a T2, only more spikey).

Though for a Phoon kiting, you need the cap booster just to run the MWD.

Errr..... the AAR still requires cap to run. It's not capless. Same cap requirements as a normal armor repper. Just reps more when loaded, and less when not.

:mazzive facepalm:

Doubt I failed reading comprehension so badly since I started playing.

oook...
What's the point of the AAR again?
Live longer before the first batch of charges run out, die afterwards more easily?

:mazzive facepalm:

Doubt I failed reading comprehension so badly since I started playing.

oook...
What's the point of the AAR again?
Live longer before the first batch of charges run out, die afterwards more easily?

You can load it with paste and it reps almost 3x what a normal repper will, so you can get the 3x rep effect from just 2 reps.
This effectively frees up a low and reduces the cap usage to 2/3 of what it would be if you had a 3x rep setup.

Probably asking for too much, but could we see some small +5%' or 10%'ish resists for the plates below 400mm?
Would give the small ships some more interests in fitting them for armor tank reasons. Just a bone that could be tossed.

Overall, "sounds good to me", regarding these general armor changes.

Wish we could see a lot more use of PI-products as secondary ammo like with Nanite Repair Paste here.

You cannot balance ships around the insane tank they get with maxed t3 bonuses. If people think the tanks too much (which it f u c king isn't, because everyone brings a blob when they see a classic active tanked ship) then bonuses need addressing (which they are being).

You know without bonuses, just a lowely set of low grade crystals and a DG large booster, a sleip only tanks 551 dps and it's not even cap stable tanking that. So a command ship with a faction booster can't even tank a drake, a god damn drake. If you use asb you can't sustain your tank long enough now with the nerf to booster volume.

Probably asking for too much, but could we see some small +5%' or 10%'ish resists for the plates below 400mm?

Nope not at all, on the grounds that other penalties apply, such as inertia/agility and as mentioned in my other posts acceleration. If you are dumb enough to stick 1600mm plates on a frig then good luck, it would be so heavy and so difficult to move or point at anything those 1600mm plates wont matter that much. If plates mass more than the ship then that genuinely is stupid enough to warrant a Darwin award for naturally self selecting.

I just think that acceleration/agility/inertia can be made just as powerful as penalties as PG with the right mechanic.

Probably asking for too much, but could we see some small +5%' or 10%'ish resists for the plates below 400mm?

That said, the 800 plate is rarely used as most cruisers and all BC+ use 1600's but buffing one and not the others makes little sense. Were plates to have an additional benefit then let it synergize with AAR through a slight cap reduction on active mods (plate used as temporary capacitor) or increased rep amount (plate mass used for constructing additional nano-bots).