An idea about the AAR:

What if the AAR would only use up charges (and provide the 225% burst tank) WHEN OVERHEATED?
(if not overheated, any remaining charges just sit in the repper forever)

1. This would emphasize the use of overheating and the emergency/burst nature of the module. Either I am in URGENT need for more armor or I am not. So most likely I will want to use heat and burst at the same time (as long as the module won't melt way faster than it has spent all Nanite Repair Paste).
2. The specialty of the AAR as opposed to the ASB should be sustained tanking. Lets say I run a complex/mission whatever PvE thing that requires sustained tanking.
I am in a dangerous environment like lowsec and expect to be ambushed all the time. So basically, I need a ship that is BOTH capable of PvE and PvP (at least to a certain degree).
It would be a nice thing if I now could trade my required active tank for a weaker one (75%) with the option of burst tanking in an emergency.
Now, if the thing works like the ASB, I can't do that with an AAR. if I go in with the repper full of Nanite Paste, I cannot activate it without wasting the precious Paste to the NPCs.
And if I have no charges in it, I simply have a crappy armor repairer with 75% efficiency - I won't have the 1 min time to reload when ambushed!
So I would need an extra button "use with charges/without charges".
=> Solution: couple it to overheat.
3. Since Nanite Repair Paste will both be used for loading the repper and repairing heat damage, there would be a synergy. I just have to keep track of ONE pile of ammo.
Plus one can repair & reload at the same time. At least that works with ASBs. I pretty much overheat them all the time, the minute reload time is more than enough to repair the heat damage and the overheat bonus adds nicely to the burst tank.

Using an AAR without using up its charges is actually a very valid point. Splitting the button in half, one side for charges, the other for without, should do the job.
I'm not sure about forcing the tie in with heat though. It means that unless you have trained in the heat skill, this mod would be useless. It gets a healthty benefit from heat already, as you pointed out about ASBs.

A module similar to the shield boost amp, but for armour could be helpful. At preset, a triple rep fit is totally dependant on cap boosters, normaly being forced to use at least 2 at a time. With a module that grants 30% - 35% more per rep, that triple rep fit, especially combined with an AAR, could be viable with only two repping modules and probably only one cap booster. This would be workable on more hulls.

Using an AAR without using up its charges is actually a very valid point. Splitting the button in half, one side for charges, the other for without, should do the job.
I'm not sure about forcing the tie in with heat though. It means that unless you have trained in the heat skill, this mod would be useless. It gets a healthty benefit from heat already, as you pointed out about ASBs.

[quote=Hakan MacTrew]
Using an AAR without using up its charges is actually a very valid point. Splitting the button in half, one side for charges, the other for without, should do the job.

In hindsight, I should have put this problem on top of my posting since this is what my proposal is about.
A split button may technically solve it, but I don't think the UI needs more tiny buttons.
Also, I would bet that the "split button" idea would be way more complicated for the developers than connecting the charges to overheating (that's why I proposed it).
Currently there is 2 mechanisms that allows us to operate modules in different ways - and these are heat and charges (with scripts as a specialized version of charges that never get spent).
The AAR will already be using charges and for balancing reasons, the reload time will be 1 min.

The AAR (as announced in OP) will have four modes of operation:

1) vanilla: no charges, no heat - base efficiency, runs forever if cap-stable
2) overheated: heat, but no charges - +30% efficiency, but the module will melt after a while
3) loaded: charges will be spent - +200% efficiency, runs only 8 cycles, 1 min reload
4) loaded & overheated - +260% efficiency, the real burst tank! (yeah, melts & runs out of charges, but we aren't cowards, are we?)

I will happily forget modes 2 & 3 if that allows me to instantly switch from 1 to 4. One minute reload totally ruins this.


P.S.: and give the thing Thermodynamics I as Prerequisite - then no one can complain about not being able to overheat it.

Split buttons are unlikely as it'd be a new function added solely for this module, but a script might be more realistic.

Armor repairers are meant to be more sustainable, whereas shield bosters are meant to have a stronger peak tank.

If we compare the cap efficiency though, a T2 shield booster + boost amp combo has 13% higher cap efficiency compared to double reps of the equivalent size, while also having a 14.75% stronger tank.

The only thing that makes armor repairs "more sustainable" are cap recharge mods, which don't apply in PvP except on capitals.

The capacitor usage of of small, medium and large armor repairers should be reduced. That will give active armor tanking in PvP the edge in sustainability it is supposed to have. Active armor tanks in PvE could use the buff as well, since they are clearly less popular than shield tanks.

And no more skill to train to balance something obvious.
make the changes affected By current skills in Game because it's unfair to be at the same level than shield tanking we have to learn more ?

I will never fit thorax in armor tank becuase it is totaly uneffective for now. Thorax was created for roam and in roam you need speed, burst damage and lit tank.
So... Where i should use "new" 800mm plates?

Dual web rax is bar none the best rax for solo/small scale pvp.

The increase in speed and dps of the shield ship means jack **** when you can be easily killed by a t1 frig, just saying...

Dual web rax is bar none the best rax for solo/small scale pvp.

The increase in speed and dps of the shield ship means jack **** when you can be easily killed by a t1 frig, just saying...

CCP Fozzie, now that you're at it (fixing armor tanking), is there something you could do with Layered Platings? They are so terribly bad, that not even fail-fitters use them.

The only things I can think of that could find them useful are caps, but even then, EANMs could prove to be a better option.

...is there any way we can get non-energized resist plates to have.... an improvement to repper efficiency ....

We're not, in general and with exceptions, fans of multi-function modules. EVE fitting is about trade-offs, not about having your cake and eating it.

Agree. Its ridiculous to add new skill if you just can reduce mass of 1600 by 25% and mass of other plates by 45%.
Btw i talk much with my FC about "let's use 800mm plates on HAC, they would faster!" And know what? It not an option. You need 2 800mm plates for getting similar EHP. And it doesn't cost that. You get few m\s amd lose tonn EHP for HAC.
I will never fit thorax in armor tank becuase it is totaly uneffective for now. Thorax was created for roam and in roam you need speed, burst damage and lit tank.
So... Where i should use "new" 800mm plates?

Agree. Its ridiculous to add new skill if you just can reduce mass of 1600 by 25% and mass of other plates by 45%.
Btw i talk much with my FC about "let's use 800mm plates on HAC, they would faster!" And know what? It not an option. You need 2 800mm plates for getting similar EHP. And it doesn't cost that. You get few m\s amd lose tonn EHP for HAC.
I will never fit thorax in armor tank becuase it is totaly uneffective for now. Thorax was created for roam and in roam you need speed, burst damage and lit tank.
So... Where i should use "new" 800mm plates?

Well 2 LSE, i invul, EM rig and 2 core ext rigs - and you have pretty nice shield pool with not bad resists.

Looks like we're not getting any extra bonuses on existing mudules, reposting from the other thread:

As far as I could tell nothing to test yet on Sisi after todays patch... No new mods, skills or changes apparent.
Any ETA on geting these into testing?

As far as I could tell nothing to test yet on Sisi after todays patch... No new mods, skills or changes apparent.
Any ETA on geting these into testing?

The easiest solution is just not to make it a repairer in its own right, but a repair amplifier, perhaps an "Ancillary Nano Pump". When active it cuts the cap use of the repaired to a fraction of normal, and increases the speed and repair amount by enough to achieve the desired burst tanking effect. Divorcing the paste from the reps allows you to set the consumption rate to the desired time frame, allows the use of the rep at its full normal value without having to worry about extra fiddly buttons that don't exist yet, and allows the benefit to scale with whatever repairer you are using from t1 to officer mods