...He says that, and yet the ASB is a thing.

...He says that, and yet the ASB is a thing.

Cool if that works for you, I personally wouldn't even let that in the fleet because you don't have any kind of tackle, can't fit Neutrons and it has the sig of a battleruiser.

800mm Rax looks awesome after the mass reductions.

As far as I can tell the power grid changes to medium and large armor reppers have gone through however the pen change on active armor rigs is still speed instead of grid pen. This seems a bit counter productive to me...

Just me or are these ancillary armor reps going to cost a ton to keep online? its going to cost 100k isk for 1 rep cycle of the medium rep and 200k for the large one, this is outrageous, ccp needs to stop being lazy and make a new ammo type for the ancillary armor reps... Or they could just change nanite paste blueprint to make 100 per run so the price goes down to something reasonable... Otherwise this armor rep will cost ridiculous amount of isk to keep running...

People kept asking for it, now we have to suffer the consequences of it. At least it doesn't take up much space.

CCP Fozzie, now that you're at it (fixing armor tanking), is there something you could do with Layered Platings? They are so terribly bad, that not even fail-fitters use them.

The only things I can think of that could find them useful are caps, but even then, EANMs could prove to be a better option.

Hey guys, all the changes in the OP are now on Sisi, with two exceptions:

• AARs are not on the market yet. In the meantime I dropped some cans and wrecks outside the station with some for people to test right now, they should be on the market next update.


• AARs can currently be fitted multiple to a ship. We have this fixed internally but that fix did not get into this recent Sisi update.

Just me or are these ancillary armor reps going to cost a ton to keep online? its going to cost 100k isk for 1 rep cycle of the medium rep and 200k for the large one, this is outrageous, ccp needs to stop being lazy and make a new ammo type for the ancillary armor reps... Or they could just change nanite paste blueprint to make 100 per run so the price goes down to something reasonable... Otherwise this armor rep will cost ridiculous amount of isk to keep running...

CCP Fozzie, now that you're at it (fixing armor tanking), is there something you could do with Layered Platings? They are so terribly bad, that not even fail-fitters use them.

The only things I can think of that could find them useful are caps, but even then, EANMs could prove to be a better option.

to bad CCP didnt use one of the underused PI products for fuel but ehh.

I tested out the Medium AAR today. I was in a Deimos with 1 t2 medium rep and an AAR. It did pretty Good but the Long armor rep cycle time Kinda defeats the idea of a burst tank. I will say cap stability was better since I did not have the AAR actively running. I think it is better but im not sure if it is good enough.

The fitting changes however made a huge difference active fits will be much easier to fit. Bigger guns better range etc etc etc

I tested out the Medium AAR today. I was in a Deimos with 1 t2 medium rep and an AAR. It did pretty Good but the Long armor rep cycle time Kinda defeats the idea of a burst tank. I will say cap stability was better since I did not have the AAR actively running. I think it is better but im not sure if it is good enough

I dropped some cans and wrecks outside the station

Problem : So, one small AAR needs 1 nanite to run one cycle.
One ASB needs 1 cap booster 50 for this very same cycle.

Taking in consideration that a ASB cycle is roughly 2.5 times short than an AAR, let's compare things :

One ASB needs then 2m3 per cycle, while an AAR needs 0.01m3 per cycle.
Increase the gap by 2.5 and you have the possibility for an AAR to run 500 times longer than an ASB before emptying one's cargohold.

Hmm.. Seriously ?

Solution : A new item, nanite pack booster small, medium, large.

For the same rep size, one charge has the same volume than it's shield counterpart. Still keeping in mind that cycles are 2.5 times longer, it should be already enough.

..What we gain in cargohold we lose in the ISK equation...

dont see this mentioned but on sisi the skill armor resistance phasing now reduces RAT by 10% for cycle and 5% to cap usuage per level

That's how it is on Tranquility. They changed it a while ago.

oh opps... so why are people complain that the mod takes up too much cap then?

just got the skill so ...

50% faster cycle @ 25% less cap means more cap use the higher you train the skill at the advantage of it adapting faster.

that seems fair since the mod does not stack right?

Hey guys, all the changes in the OP are now on Sisi, with two exceptions:

• AARs are not on the market yet. In the meantime I dropped some cans and wrecks outside the station with some for people to test right now, they should be on the market next update.


• AARs can currently be fitted multiple to a ship. We have this fixed internally but that fix did not get into this recent Sisi update.

Gotta say those changes are serious disapointment for PVE. So now MAR and LAR take 20% and 10% less pwg and rigs now take pwg instead of speed. Oh cmon is that ALL ?

Joke , huge disapointment. This ancilary thing ... i mean it's fine, but it's only for pvp and it doesn't fix any problem actually. Shield tanked ships often , i would say VERY often use capless weapon systems (projectile, missiles). So CCP logic is : give them capless shield booster(WTF). Now let's say amarrian ship super cap hungry with lasers gets ancilary armore repairer that still needs cap to cycle. Balance all the way.

There is straight and simple need to reduce MAR cycle time and/or increase amount repaired. If that is not going to happen then actually almost nothing will be done for pve activer armor tanking.

I would be big fan of small experiment : let's change so ancilary shield booster consumes cap/booster for more boosting and ancilary armor repaired does not take cap but paste. But hell no you use lasers, then you must also use cap for propulsion, neuting, ewar, reparing, hardeners to make things cool.

But i know why such things are going on. Amarrian ships got too many mid slots. I mean often 2 or 3. SOOOOOOOOOO many after propulsion and super obligatory cap booster there is so much possibilites. NOT.