The NPC outposts have the best "bonuses" then? So er, I guess players shouldn't be building their own infrastructure....

Oh right, HIGHSEC is the place to be, the NPCs have the infrastructure all ready for you !

more stuff I disagree with

Yes I do, having played most of the popular MMOs for years all the way back to text MUDS in the 80's.

So that concerns me more as you are obviously unfamiliar with other MMOs, specifically the worlds most famous and the one with the highest subscriber level.

The NPC outposts have the best "bonuses" then? So er, I guess players shouldn't be building their own infrastructure....

Oh right, HIGHSEC is the place to be, the NPCs have the infrastructure all ready for you !

What if we put stations in sov null with docking right and service usage limited only to the aliance holding SOV in the system it is in?

I realise it's a huge middle finger to the whole idea of building your own base and stuff but isn't that all considered a huge pain in the ass anyway?

What...

More costs = less profits, what in the world makes you think more costs is a good thing? You honestly think we think costs are irrelevant in any of our choices?

Even your own mad workings out show high sec is the only logical choice.

Given the risk vs reward relationship the order should be WH industry > Low Industry > Null=Hi industry.

But my guess is CCP will keep things the way they are. Why not? It seems the formula is working.

No, it isn't.

Given the risk vs reward relationship the order should be WH industry > Low Industry > Null=Hi industry.

But my guess is CCP will keep things the way they are. Why not? It seems the formula is working.

It's basically what happens when you put down an outpost. You can't get rid of it, the big thing is only you can spend a TON to upgrade it to be not-as-good-as-highsec. And your enemy can take it and lock you out, I think they can shoot the services stuff as well if the station is vulnerable.

It also means two timers to consider when trying to grind sov.

It is, you're a nullsec zealot, your "opinion" is worthless here on GENERAL DISCUSSION.

All that null sec stuff looks so bad to someone who's never been there. It looks like do X more the recive Y less for it... It's not inviting at all...

This guy gets it.

This guy gets it.

No, it looks even worse when you're here and there's bitches trying to catch your jump freighter (a good JF pilot is of course "riskless" rite~) and you have to freighter stuff around in nullsec (minerals, parts, ships) again, with people camping your gates or JBs.

So yes, Jita it is. Buy, then just one run of JF, done. Drop in VFK where people will get caught in a bubble warping to the station and killed by Black Legion/NC./TerriblePubbies. while trying to buy it.

This will be important for the next quote.



That you think being able to dock in an outpost that you own is a bonus really says it all.

FD, so far you've called me risk averse in this topic and lazy in another for expressing my opinions. Neither is accurate. And I own a POS. I don't own a dozen of them and do not have POS's stationed across known space. Which is never going to happen.

You again write that boosting manufacturing returns at a high sec POS is some kind of reward for owning one despite countless examples of why tethering a dynamic industry to a stationary object is not beneficial. (Stop doing me favors!) It would be a logistical nightmare for the same exact reasons cited in this topic explaining why it's a nightmare for null players.

Debating whether everything I've invested into my gameplay for the past 14 months is going to be made pointless does frustrate me as the consequences are potentially game-changing to an unacceptable degree. But I play this game because its fun. Piloting a freighter isn't. In fact, it's my least-favorite activity in the game. So tieing my least-favorite activity in the game to my primary source of income isn't something I'm ever going to be a vocal supporter of. How dumb would that be? This change would at best, make my game vastly less enjoyable and at worst end it entirely.

So until the black day comes to pass ushering in changes which ruin my game, I'm going to be a vocal opponent.

For me, there is no other option.

It's not personal. So if my opposition offends anyone, I apologize in advance.

YK

But yet I own several POSs and am unable to dock, or reprocess or massive storage space. So if it is not a bonus on an outpost do you believe that it is a programming error on a POS, after all it is not a bonus?

Not quite.

I can make X produce for Y cost.

I can make 3X product for 2Y cost.

The actual cost isn't relevant, as long as it's within my means. Because the profit is higher.

I'll admit, it wasn't well worded.

POS towers & outposts are two completely different things.

MY POSTS FOR NULLSEC!

No, it isn't.

However bridging off your idea, I like the idea of making WH space the most optimal place for T3 production. A lot of POS changes would have to happen to make that possible, though.

I wonder how much items are destroyed by people losing whatever they just bought the very second they undock after buying it in null...

I wonder how much items are destroyed by people losing whatever they just bought the very second they undock after buying it in null...

"what is the reward in being in SOV 0.0?" That part is subjective, I would personally say control. Yet there isn't enough of a competitive advantage so that control isn't really useful. It's also one of the reasons people don't fight as often as the forum howls for. If there is no advantage to be taken from someone else why fight them?


"What makes you to be in SOV 0.0 instead of low-sec/NPC 0.0/WH?" I think you are trying to say "What makes you want to be in SOV 0.0 instead of being in lowsec/NPC 0.0/WH" if that's not the case correct me.

I am not in SOV 0.0 unless there is a fleet op, most of my time is spent awoxing people in highsec. We might have control of our area of space but, control of nothing is still nothing. Nullsec needs some substance to attract people like myself back to full-time living there. There needs to be an industrial backbone and the "farms and fields" concept needs to be fleshed out so there will be more things to do as well as fights to be had.

Yes they are but the ability to dock, reprocess, store massive amounts ect... are part of their bonuses. That is why it worries me about upgrading a structure so heavily in the industry side while it being cheap over time and cheap to install.

As an Outpost uses no fuel. But having said that I do feel that having an isk sink equal to the cost per slot of a POS would be a fair exchange.

you got me right.

and now i see another thing: 0.0 sov isn't interesting to you (and i guess we can speak about your alliance). However 0.0 sov can be interesting for another people who cannot take it from your BIG BLUE DONUT.

Maybe instead of having thing you don't need and complain for CCP to improve this thing you simply move to some other place which is more interesting then? You said you spend more time in empire so why return to 0.0 then?

So you will be fine with high sec stations also charging the same sum to every pilot that uses them then.