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Cameron Cahill
Out of Chaos. Space Immigration
203
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:29:00 -
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Surely its daft to change the % bonus to resists on ONLY the battleships? Leave it alone for now, fix all of the ships that have this bonus at the same time.
Also, Put the geddon back, amarr don't need a droneboat in every damned tier, all you are doing is making the curse even more useless by comparison. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
49
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:31:00 -
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Shani Mukantagara wrote:Petition to remove Kill2 from CCP Dev team. Clearly Kill2 has never used a battleship in the last 3 years of EVE Battleships are hardly used any more and its hard enough to find battleships to fight, not every one fly's around in cheap t1 frigs and bcs!!!!! Abaddon Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses: +7.5% to Large Energy Turret optimal range +7.5% Large Energy Turret tracking speed (replaced large energy turret cap use) Quote: ignoring the rest of your rant for the minute, don't misquote the Dev, the abbadon is keeping 4% (out of it's current 5%) per level resist bonus, and is not getting a tracking speed boost at all. {quote}Abaddon's will never be able to last in fleet fights without an energy feed (it is hard enough to keep the Abaddon's capped up as it is, in the passed I have had an alt in a logi domi feeding my Abaddon because it was that bad keeping every one shooting. once you fix your obvious misquotes (are you just trolling?) this statement looks rather idiotic. Armageddon: Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire) +10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use) Drone damage and Hit point change is completely useless, Drones are useless against today's Naga fleets. Dual heavy pulse geddon is an awesome damage dealer, my preferred standard battleship its like a glass cannon If you want to nuet you INVEST ISK into a Faction Battle ship that is designed for Neutralizing. These silly changes to battleships will just make these 0.0 alliance stick with silly Naga's more and more. Hmm.. correct me if I'm wrong, but Naga's use Hybrid Turrets, which require cap, and, OH GEE! the new 'Geddon likes to Nuet!
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Cy4nid3
Nordgoetter Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:33:00 -
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Seriously ... ? RIP Armageddon. Can't find words for that ... |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
101
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:33:00 -
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HOLY **** SO AWESOME! Amarr will be the new standard just saying.
geddon so good suck it crap matar! |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
49
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:34:00 -
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Ayla Crenshaw wrote:Pelea Ming wrote:Ayla Crenshaw wrote:Pelea Ming wrote:Ayla Crenshaw wrote:As a relatively fresh player I can only say that taking away Apocalypse cap use bonus is a horrible idea and you should feel bad for even thinking it was good.
This really screws over low-skilled Amarr players, especially in PvE. This thing is barely capstable as it is with only guns and hardeners running without great capacitor/cap use skills.
Well, unless you cut all Large Energy Turrets cap use by 50% across the board with no strings attached... then yeah, bring it on! Otherwise - take a step back, rethink this fumble and think of the little guy out there. I marked out the section that you should be working on correcting instead of crying about. Your an Amarr pilot, get some cap skills done already! Yes because ******* over new pilots from flying Battleships before they spend weeks training up all those Vs required to make the new Apoc (or any other hull) stable is such a rad idea. Go you. Hey, I had to train my skills up to at least IVs before I could realistically fly the 'baddon, get over yourself, go back to the harbinger till you learn how to skill up properly. I wasn't aware one needs to learn to wait. Because that's what it amounts to. Lots and lots of waiting. Props to your reading comprehension too, because we're totally talking about Abaddon here. ^^^^ and once again, we need a Block function on the forums! |
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
12
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:34:00 -
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I am really sad to see that amarr boats lose launcher slots. Amarr do have drones for omni damage but being too tied to lasers make Amarr BS not good choice to fly. Yes lasers are good for many targets but amarr BS are complete crap against rival faction ships and even their own pirate faction.
In short apart from armageddon changes, I am against of the policy of which are used to base to make these changes.
Please do not make 1 weapon system boats. This makes the EVE experience dull due you cannot customize your boat to fit your skills and your way of flying.
If you could rather minnyfied the other bses so that each BS would would 2-3 slots to choose if you wanted to have cruises or turrets. This would make the ships more omni wise and more interesting to fly. Now you are reducing the fun factor!
Please do not remove launcher slots! From any BS that currently have them!!! |
Crash Lander
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:35:00 -
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Ayla Crenshaw wrote:As a relatively fresh player I can only say that taking away Apocalypse cap use bonus is a horrible idea and you should feel bad for even thinking it was good.
This really screws over low-skilled Amarr players, especially in PvE. This thing is barely capstable as it is with only guns and hardeners running without great capacitor/cap use skills.
I'm inclined to agree with this. The cap bonus and the range bonus of the Apoc really set this apart for PvE. I remember the days/month before I got perfect cap skills and doing low skilled PvE with Amarr battleships was a real exercise. The cap bonus on the Apoc/NApoc was a really strong incentive to train BS V.
And the cap bonus allowed for creative non-capstable fits using the large cap pool for things like a MWD fit apoc. Please consider the PvE aspects of these changes as well. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1136
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:35:00 -
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I had and have major concerns about the Apoc's cap and massive HP reduction post-change.
Also yes, the Geddon may be a bit *too* good "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Cy4nid3
Nordgoetter Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:36:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Shani Mukantagara wrote:Petition to remove Kill2 from CCP Dev team. Clearly Kill2 has never used a battleship in the last 3 years of EVE Battleships are hardly used any more and its hard enough to find battleships to fight, not every one fly's around in cheap t1 frigs and bcs!!!!! Abaddon Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses: +7.5% to Large Energy Turret optimal range +7.5% Large Energy Turret tracking speed (replaced large energy turret cap use) Quote: ignoring the rest of your rant for the minute, don't misquote the Dev, the abbadon is keeping 4% (out of it's current 5%) per level resist bonus, and is not getting a tracking speed boost at all. {quote}Abaddon's will never be able to last in fleet fights without an energy feed (it is hard enough to keep the Abaddon's capped up as it is, in the passed I have had an alt in a logi domi feeding my Abaddon because it was that bad keeping every one shooting. once you fix your obvious misquotes (are you just trolling?) this statement looks rather idiotic. Armageddon: Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire) +10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use) Drone damage and Hit point change is completely useless, Drones are useless against today's Naga fleets. Dual heavy pulse geddon is an awesome damage dealer, my preferred standard battleship its like a glass cannon If you want to nuet you INVEST ISK into a Faction Battle ship that is designed for Neutralizing. These silly changes to battleships will just make these 0.0 alliance stick with silly Naga's more and more. Hmm.. correct me if I'm wrong, but Naga's use Hybrid Turrets, which require cap, and, OH GEE! the new 'Geddon likes to Nuet!
correct me if I'm wrong, but a Naga shoots triple as far as Armageddon could Neut with BS V
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Shani Mukantagara
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
3
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:36:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Hmm.. correct me if I'm wrong, but Naga's use Hybrid Turrets, which require cap, and, OH GEE! the new 'Geddon likes to Nuet!
I think you will find the Naga to be a bit too far away for that.
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
546
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:36:00 -
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Like a geddon sitting on a gate? You cant jump into it. You cant nano off a gate under 50km heavy neuts. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
49
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:40:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I had and have major concerns about the Apoc's cap and massive HP reduction post-change.
^^^^ once again, this, by lots (again, perhaps it's time to give Tach's some love?) |
Lady Vorax
Eternal Rising Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:41:00 -
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How about ccp stops ******* with amarr for a while? |
Lord Infy
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:43:00 -
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Having Amarrian drone boats in every ship class makes it silly when the game fiction claims Gallente as the drone race. Yet one more step in removing the historical traits from each race's line of ships. Amarr were supposed to be all about immense laser damage and thick armor with everything else secondary.
Also I believe the neut range bonus leads to massive geddon blobs in 0.0 sec that no one wants to fight. Something like the drake blobs when it was new.
At least for heaven's sake remove those launcher slots from the poor geddon. Do Amarrian pilots now also need to train good skills? |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1138
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:45:00 -
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The Geddon should not have identical bandwidth and dronebay to the Dominix. I don't know what the magic numbers should be but 36km large neuts are huge in their own right. |
Major Killz
171
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:48:00 -
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ALL HAIL THE AMARR EMPRESS! GAWD SHOWERS HIS BLESSINGS ON THE ARMAGEDDON AND IT WAS GOOOOOD. |
Ayla Crenshaw
Polish Immortals
9
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:49:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote: ^^^^ and once again, we need a Block function on the forums!
So your idea of discussion when you're making blatant mistakes that get pointed out and generally losing the argument on all fronts is telling the other side to shut up? Nice.
How about some constructive replies? Because you made none in defense of your side of the argument. |
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
12
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:53:00 -
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Veyer Erastus wrote:I believe such changes are really bad. As a pretty much fresh pilot i already felt amarr ships being not as good as, say, minmatar, cause of armor tanking problems and how much capacitor dependent they are. So, apoc was one BS i was looking forward to, as his cap bonus made it newbie friendly and could be flown without spending a few months for all capacitor related skills. Now it's impossible. I don't believe ammar need a nerf. They need a buff.
Amarr are not and will not be newbie friendly. There are serious issues with cap skill wise. You need way too high cap skills to be able to fly most of ships and still feel happy. PVE wise shield ships are better in many aspects and more easy to train.
This issue should be issued ASAP because it will turn off people from this game. |
5mok1ng gun
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:53:00 -
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Armageddon Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire) +10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M(+1), 7L(-1); 5 turrets(-2) , 5 launchers(+5)
I'm starting to think that ccp have lost sight of things, let us dilute every race to use every weapon, drone and module allowing no real specialisation in any one race meaning that if you want to be good with any one race you need to train every go dam thing clever when you think about it make people spend years training things so they can use a single race's ships.
Do CCP actually play this game properly you know like learning how to fit ships then training the skills instead of using the dev hacks to get every skill to 5 instantly.
You expect me to be happy that you're screwing over ships like the Armageddon to use such excrement as launcher leave that crap to the caldari for god's sake. |
Ivelios d'Sanquine
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:53:00 -
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I am a sad pony, for years i have seen the backbone of the amarian empire, the pride and joy of the empress laying low the enemies of the faithfull. The geddon in its current form is the history of eve, 7 lazors and plates to outlast bigger ships and the first real turret battleship u could get into. It is the amarr combat philosophy given form.
Im sad to see it go, more over im sad to see what it will become, due to bonuses it will now be fitted with neuts and blasters, it will become a shaddow of the domi and all that history will be lost. They need to fix that, seriously this is hurtfull to my inner vet, why did they do this?
as for the phoon, why? it is minmatar tradition to crossfit high slots and they are getting rid of it via the cyclone, nag and now the phoon. the phoon is actually really good and well ballanced as a crossfit. we dont need an armor tanked raven.
The mega looks kewl exept the med/low slot change. its an armor ship, shure u could shield it and it would do well but its an armor ship. keep the old slot layout. |
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
50
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:53:00 -
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Ayla Crenshaw wrote:Pelea Ming wrote: ^^^^ and once again, we need a Block function on the forums!
So your idea of discussion when you're making blatant mistakes that get pointed out and generally losing the argument on all fronts is telling the other side to shut up? Nice. How about some constructive replies? Because you made none in defense of your side of the argument. I'm not making mistakes, your whining your skills aren't good enough. So, fix that instead of whining already. |
David Zahavi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:54:00 -
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All in all it seems kinda great.
My only worry would be that the apoc will be downright OP in various types of fleet battles.
Scorch + long range + speed will make it a very very powerful battleship indeed. |
Pesadel0
the muppets DARKNESS.
71
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:54:00 -
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Well overpowered geddon is online , i mean if you want to change all of the small BS tiers to EW warfare at least give the same racial bonus to the other races.
My final opiniuon is that the geddon wasn't a broken ship , it was very balanced and awesome in small to med gangs , now it is a powerhouse in small gang warfare overpowered enven
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
680
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:56:00 -
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uh, no, no neut bonus on the armageddon, the bhaal does that, and it shouldn't be encroached upon because it is an extremely powerful ship, armageddon should NOT take that role at a mere fraction of cost. (To be honest i dont know what it should do currently, but the bhaal's job is NOT what)
Apocalypse needs built in laser cap bonus. If it doesn't have that already. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
50
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:57:00 -
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Ayla Crenshaw wrote:How about some constructive replies? Because you made none in defense of your side of the argument. Fine, do what I did when I found out my BS skills sucked and I blew up 3 abbadons and a Nav 'geddon my first day of trying to run L4 missions in them... go back to the Harbinger, fit it out with a dual rep (only activate the 2nd rep as needed, cycle turrets to balance it out) and run L3s and maybe some low end L4s in it till you do have the proper skills for the BS. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
50
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:59:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:uh, no, no neut bonus on the armageddon, the bhaal does that, and it shouldn't be encroached upon because it is an extremely powerful ship, armageddon should NOT take that role at a mere fraction of cost. (To be honest i dont know what it should do currently, but the bhaal's job is NOT what)
Apocalypse needs built in laser cap bonus. If it doesn't have that already. The Bhaal gets a Neut effect bonus, great for once things do get in range, useless outside of it. I see the new 'Geddon as a balancing factor to the Bhaal by granting us a ship that has a nuet range bonus. |
5mok1ng gun
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:02:00 -
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Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote:I am a sad pony, for years i have seen the backbone of the amarian empire, the pride and joy of the empress laying low the enemies of the faithfull. The geddon in its current form is the history of eve, 7 lazors and plates to outlast bigger ships and the first real turret battleship u could get into. It is the amarr combat philosophy given form.
Im sad to see it go, more over im sad to see what it will become, due to bonuses it will now be fitted with neuts and blasters, it will become a shaddow of the domi and all that history will be lost. They need to fix that, seriously this is hurtfull to my inner vet, why did they do this?
as for the phoon, why? it is minmatar tradition to crossfit high slots and they are getting rid of it via the cyclone, nag and now the phoon. the phoon is actually really good and well ballanced as a crossfit. we dont need an armor tanked raven.
The mega looks kewl exept the med/low slot change. its an armor ship, shure u could shield it and it would do well but its an armor ship. keep the old slot layout.
I'm thinking CCP have recruited people that have no sense of history in eve like gallente being the drone gods, ammar being armor tanking lazor shooting gods and so on.
keep to the history of the game when making these changes instead of diluting the blood lines as it was. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
570
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:03:00 -
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Exelent. |
GTX18
Puritans HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:03:00 -
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Why killing the Armageddon ? why ? |
Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
261
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:04:00 -
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after further though... I actually love the geddon, its going to be so nasty, it will **** everything, and also, who cares about nagas, if they get into the neut range they wont fire, if they are outside the neut range, their DPS its way too low and they wont be able to tackle you anyway.
also the bonus being different to that of the bhaalgorn makes it pretty neat. |
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