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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:50:00 -
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Interesting how many people seem to dislike having logical options, instead of not really having to think at all.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
43161
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Interesting how many people seem to dislike having logical options, instead of not really having to think at all.
I'm not a cheap skate.
If I want a Neuting ship I use a Bhaalgorn.
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Mr Hyde113
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
34
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:52:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Interesting how many people seem to dislike having logical options, instead of not really having to think at all. I'm not a cheap skate. If I want a Neuting ship I use a Bhaalgorn.
OR if you are cheap, what was stopping you from putting 8 heavy neuts on an APOC?
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
242
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:54:00 -
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DO.... NOT.... DARE..... TO..... TURN..... MY...... GODDAMN.... GEDDON..... INTO ..... ANOTHER......DOMINIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
43161
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:54:00 -
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What a **** day I've had... Work was a ******* pain and Now I'm wasting my night crying at these ship changes... I'm logging out Meh....
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Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
Severasse Militarized Mining Union
3
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Interesting how many people seem to dislike having logical options, instead of not really having to think at all.
I don't know. I have mixed feeling about the entire changes. I like the option of having a heavy neuting battleship, but I don't want to lose the old geddon as well...
The old Apoc gave us damage projection and plenty of cap.
The Abaddon gave us superior tank, but has cap issues.
The old geddon sort of sat right in the middle for me. I liked it. It was cheap and could easily pump out ~1k dps. What is not to like with that? I liked the ship because it was not too difficult to fit and could dish out some hurt.
If they addressed cap issues on the new Abaddon and Apoc, then I am all for the changes.
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Frothgar
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
69
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:56:00 -
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Love the new Geddon. Thatl be so interesting to play. |
5mok1ng gun
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:57:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:5mok1ng gun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:5mok1ng gun wrote:Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote:I am a sad pony, for years i have seen the backbone of the amarian empire, the pride and joy of the empress laying low the enemies of the faithfull. The geddon in its current form is the history of eve, 7 lazors and plates to outlast bigger ships and the first real turret battleship u could get into. It is the amarr combat philosophy given form.
Im sad to see it go, more over im sad to see what it will become, due to bonuses it will now be fitted with neuts and blasters, it will become a shaddow of the domi and all that history will be lost. They need to fix that, seriously this is hurtfull to my inner vet, why did they do this?
as for the phoon, why? it is minmatar tradition to crossfit high slots and they are getting rid of it via the cyclone, nag and now the phoon. the phoon is actually really good and well ballanced as a crossfit. we dont need an armor tanked raven.
The mega looks kewl exept the med/low slot change. its an armor ship, shure u could shield it and it would do well but its an armor ship. keep the old slot layout. I'm thinking CCP have recruited people that have no sense of history in eve like gallente being the drone gods, ammar being armor tanking lazor shooting gods and so on. keep to the history of the game when making these changes instead of diluting the blood lines as it was. The Geddon has always relied heavily on it's very large drone bay, and Amarr ships in general have always relied heavily on Neuts/Nos combat... they have also always had varieties of ships that specialize in missiles as well. Learn your history before you try and defend it. I know my game history I have been playing since before 09 in one form or another Apparently not, and not that it matters in the slightest but you should probably leave references to how long you've been playing (as some sort of claim to superior understanding of game mechanics and lore) out of this particular discussion... unless you enjoy humiliation. 
I'm not the one going around arguing my points over everyone elses points of view because I don't agree I put across my point and i'm happy to leave it at that saves shitting up the thread with crap that you are spouting.
How about you leave the thread alone for a bit and let others post what they want to without your bull. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
43165
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:57:00 -
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Frothgar wrote:Love the new Geddon. Thatl be so interesting to play.
Maybe you should just fly a domi...
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
63
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:59:00 -
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The new apoc will be HORRIBLY gimped due to capacitor issues.
Also the geddon now steals completely the CURSE and Blood raider ships role!
My curse is now a pile of useless trash ! |
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
56
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:00:00 -
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Novacrow wrote:[
If they addressed cap issues on the new Abaddon and Apoc, then I am all for the changes.
Can't say that this wouldn't be a good thing, lol :P |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
43165
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:02:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:The new apoc will be HORRIBLY gimped due to capacitor issues.
Also the geddon now steals completely the CURSE and Blood raider ships role!
My curse is now a pile of useless trash !
I disagree about the Curse it's still needed for Kiting Fleets.
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Frothgar
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
69
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:04:00 -
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Any chance you could address the issue of BS mass interacting with wormholes while you're on BS? They're just too massive to bring in any gang (You're limited to ~10bs if you want to return)
Battleships are fun and more fleet variety is always fun. I'd just love so way of bringing a viable BS gang through wormholes without leading to cap blobs. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
632
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:04:00 -
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Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
174
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:07:00 -
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I have to object against apoc tracking bonus. As it is now apoc with scorch pulses already has excessive damage projection, this is going to make situation worse. But if you would nerf long range crystals by either increasing cap consumption or reducing tracking I think this apoc tracking bonus would become acceptable. Or maybe problem is in BS sized pulses, maybe they need tracking nerf.
Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
632
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:07:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
The word "R3tarded" now gets censored...are you kidding me?
"Also, your boobs " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
14655
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:07:00 -
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Sounds like the Armageddon will become the new Phoon..you will need perfect cap warfare skills, drone skills and missile skills to fly it decently.
With those changes it seems as if Cap Boosters on Amarr and Gallente will become mandatory, so the Geddon would either have to work against the enemy's CB or be against a target that won't care very much about neuting (because of capless weapon systems).
So it will be neuts everywhere but hardly any targets vulnerable to neuting left. 
Have you considered buffing the "controlled bursts" skill? If Cap boosters were no longer the only thing that keeps Amarr and Gallente ships going, their use would become optional, thus giving cap warfare more meaning again.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
60
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:09:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
The word "R3tarded" now gets censored...are you kidding me?
^^^^ Again, I want my forum Block option! |
Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
14655
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:13:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
The word "R3tarded" now gets censored...are you kidding me? ^^^^ Again, I want my forum Block option!
^^^^ Again, I am giving you a like!
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Mr Hyde113
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
35
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:14:00 -
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INB4 the Redeemer gets turned into a Sin.
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5mok1ng gun
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:16:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
The word "R3tarded" now gets censored...are you kidding me? ^^^^ Again, I want my forum Block option!
you have it its called close the window and don't open it. |
SkyMeetFire
The Rising Stars
Initiative Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:17:00 -
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I like the new Geddon; its exactly what I was hoping for except I sorta hoped for a 15% per level range rather than only 10%. I don't really agree that it is encroaching on the Bhaalgorn - The Bhaal still is the most powerful neuter in the game with 12.25 effective neuts (7 * 1.75). The Geddon just gives us another option, and gives the Amarr line some ability to dictate range in the BS level (because it sure as hell couldn't do it with speed before). Add into it that we now get a fully capable drone boat as well, and finally the Amarr BS line catches up with the other races in versatility.
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be. |
Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
186
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:20:00 -
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This thread is absolutely hilarious and a great example of why CCP should be very careful choosing which of its players it should listen to.
There is literally a 50:50 split on both the Apoc and the geddon between "its ruined forever" and "its the new godmode". I'm leaning towards option 2, in both cases. I can really see the Apoc being the anti tier3BC fleet of choice. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
60
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:22:00 -
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SkyMeetFire wrote:I like the new Geddon; its exactly what I was hoping for except I sorta hoped for a 15% per level range rather than only 10%. I don't really agree that it is encroaching on the Bhaalgorn - The Bhaal still is the most powerful neuter in the game with 12.25 effective neuts (7 * 1.75). The Geddon just gives us another option, and gives the Amarr line some ability to dictate range in the BS level (because it sure as hell couldn't do it with speed before). Add into it that we now get a fully capable drone boat as well, and finally the Amarr BS line catches up with the other races in versatility.
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be.
You also missed that they are slightly nerfing the cap recharge time on the Apoc, making it REALLY hurt cap wise. |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:23:00 -
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Beaver Retriever wrote:Pelea Ming wrote:Beaver Retriever wrote:Upon further thought.. The Armageddon might end up being too good for its own good.
No, it doesn't have a neuting amount bonus. But who needs that if you have 100 geddons in fleet?
100+ cap-chaining heavy neut-fit geddons with T2 sentries will be a 50km sphere of instakill (and of course viable beyond that range as well). There's no way for brawlers to kill them, they will just get capped out.
It looks like a really fun fleet concept until you realize that the best counter to this is the same counter all battleship fleets have.. Alphafleet. Yet even more alpha proliferation, which is pretty damn boring. or just a good stealth bomber fleet, bombs to kill the sentries, torps to kill the ships, hit and run to avoid losses where possible... but all fleet concepts have counters, including, if you take the time to think about it, your alpha fleets. Absolutely, alphafleet is a very narrow fleet concept that is only really good against other battleship fleets. If faced with tech 3 cruisers it's generally a pile of scrap that's lucky to still be flying. I don't think it's a fun fleet or even a fleet that should exist. It's boring for everyone involved. Unfortunately the meta dictates it is needed, because if you don't fly it and you decide brawling battleships are more fun, someone else will turn up with rail rokhs or arty maels and alpha you.
Talking about counters... seriously this debate again? If you bring sentry Armageddons, you will literally just get droped by blap dreads and slow cats, but if you actually want a fight, you don't do that. Hence the point of the rokh currently, actually getting a fight and being able to live through the alpha fleet's initial volley. If you bring a t3 fleet the male fleet will just blap your tackle and warp off. |
Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
Severasse Militarized Mining Union
4
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:25:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:SkyMeetFire wrote:I like the new Geddon; its exactly what I was hoping for except I sorta hoped for a 15% per level range rather than only 10%. I don't really agree that it is encroaching on the Bhaalgorn - The Bhaal still is the most powerful neuter in the game with 12.25 effective neuts (7 * 1.75). The Geddon just gives us another option, and gives the Amarr line some ability to dictate range in the BS level (because it sure as hell couldn't do it with speed before). Add into it that we now get a fully capable drone boat as well, and finally the Amarr BS line catches up with the other races in versatility.
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be. You also missed that they are slightly nerfing the cap recharge time on the Apoc, making it REALLY hurt cap wise.
No, hurting the total cap a tad and they are buffing the recharge rate a tad... |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
242
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:26:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Geddon changes are so ********...what the hell..
quit uniforming alll the races...this is so bad...
The word "R3tarded" now gets censored...are you kidding me? ^^^^ Again, I want my forum Block option!
There IS a forum block option. Stop crying about it. It has been around ever since the new forums came out. Click on his name. |
Dehval
Risk Breakers
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:28:00 -
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What people think
"Oh wow, this new Geddon will really shake things up. Its now a cheaper Bhaalgorn! I'll make a fleet out of them and Neut all their logi to death. RIP Bhaalgorn, you won't be used anymore."
What will actually happen
"Wait, the range bonus is only 50%? That can't hit anything in standard fleet engagement ranges. Wait? Did you say the Raven neuts just as much and the Abaddon more?! I guess I'll keep using the Bhaalgorn anyways. At least my drones do decent damage, but why am I using a Geddon when the Domi has a drone tracking bonus as well (and almost equal neuting power)?"
Unless you faction fit these Geddons, you will never get to use the neut bonuses because everything save for brawling ships and some cruisers will be out of range. Neither of which you will ever see in major fleets. Logi and EWAR especially so because they will hide 20-50km behind the enemy fleet. Either buff the bonus to at least 20% per level or give the Geddon a Tracking Disruption bonus (that way it would keep the same neut power while being a second EWAR ship). In whatever state that abomination is, it is NOT USEFUL. It only serves the purpose of giving a decent crosstraining ship for Gallente pilots moving to Amarr.
The ship will never see serious use. Give it a Tracking Disrupt Bonus and it might. We could use a second EWAR battleship anyways.
Also, to the guy who said "1200 dps with Megapulse and Drones, yum!". A current T2 geddon does 1252 dps right now with only 3 heat sinks and a flight of Gardes. Tech Two. Faction fit it and give it drone damage amps and you are looking at upwards of 1400-1500 dps. |
Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
Severasse Militarized Mining Union
4
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:28:00 -
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SkyMeetFire wrote:
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be.
An easy way to address the cap issues in one change is to just change the cap use of large energy turrets. |
Harrigan VonStudly
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER
Li3 Federation
51
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:30:00 -
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Aw yeah. I'm liking these proposed changes. Thanks CCP Rise.
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