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I would really like to hear some feedback on all of this mess.

Also are Navy versions of Apocalypse and Armageddon getting the same treatment? Will Navy Apoc lose tank for a minimal speed increase, and is Navy Geddon getting turned into a drone-neut boat?

DAT geddon.. Probably the coolest ship change so far. Welcome to the cheap alternative to the bhaal!

Maybe I sound too doom and gloom? I need a positive perk me up.

Just goes to show that he sucks at giving people grey hairs .. he should have allowed people to fit all neuts and then laughed maniacally when they realised that they have no hope in hell of actually using all that suction due to cap restrictions

Torp/Drone/Neut Geddon means i'm training amarr BS 5. My God.

Torp/Drone/Neut Geddon means i'm training amarr BS 5. My God.

Every person that was happy when they saw the ship at first got TROLLED by CCP when they actually tried to fit it to fly. It's like thinking you are getting a hot date only to find out that its with a transvestite after dinner once you peel off the dress and not swinging that way. The disappointment becomes palpable.

I believe Pattern is speaking from experience of testing the ship on the test server. Check the other racial bs threads where he also comments on those.

I'm using

5x Torpedo Launcher II
2x Unstable Power Drain

100mn Prototype MWD
x5 Web
Cap Injector
Warp Distruptor

2x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Reactive Armour Hardener
Internal Force Field Array
2x 1600mm RT plates
Drone Damage Amplifier

3x Trimarks



It is tight on the CPU hence the t1 and adaptive nano plates, but consider this, as current, not a raven nor the phoon can fit a full rack of torpedos + a single neut. They just run out of power grid and cpu. The fact as it stands that you can squeeze all that on the Geddon is fantastic. Not that I believe the fittings are final.
The Domi doesn't come close, has no where near the power grid to fit 2x neuts + anything else, not that domi highs do anything viable for DPS anyway.

CCP Rise needs to decide whether these ships get tier 3 fittings to go with their tier 3 price tags, because as it stands, attack battleships have unnecessarily crappy fittings, especially cpu.

I'm using

5x Torpedo Launcher II
2x Unstable Power Drain

100mn Prototype MWD
x5 Web
Cap Injector
Warp Distruptor

2x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Reactive Armour Hardener
Internal Force Field Array
2x 1600mm RT plates
Drone Damage Amplifier

3x Trimarks



It is tight on the CPU hence the t1 and adaptive nano plates, but consider this, as current, not a raven nor the phoon can fit a full rack of torpedos + a single neut. They just run out of power grid and cpu. The fact as it stands that you can squeeze all that on the Geddon is fantastic. Not that I believe the fittings are final.
The Domi doesn't come close, has no where near the power grid to fit 2x neuts + anything else, not that domi highs do anything viable for DPS anyway.

CCP Rise needs to decide whether these ships get tier 3 fittings to go with their tier 3 price tags, because as it stands, attack battleships have unnecessarily crappy fittings, especially cpu.

Honestly i dont see the point of this fit. 5 unbonused torps do crappy dps. The range of your weapons is lower then the range of neutralizers so the "bonus" to range is wasted. Not like you could control that range anyway with that speed. Reactive armor hardeners are awful, it has ~130k ehp and terrible resists with 6 slots and 3 rigs dedicated to tank. And it will probably cost over 350 mil.

5 unbonused torps do more dps than most things and the things that do out damage it, won't fit. If your complaining about the neut range bonus, - it's a nice bonus, not over powered, and more useful than it's not, for modules most people would fit on this ship regardless. All of the things you're nitpicking might be small tweaks to fittings - but compared to some of the other ships, it's fittings are not too bad at all. Either way, this ship is far better than the current dominix, better to fit, better to fly and makes a hell of a lot more sense than the domi or tempest.

5 unbonused torps do more dps than most things and the things that do out damage it, won't fit. If your complaining about the neut range bonus, - it's a nice bonus, not over powered, and more useful than it's not, for modules most people would fit on this ship regardless. All of the things you're nitpicking might be small tweaks to fittings - but compared to some of the other ships, it's fittings are not too bad at all. Either way, this ship is far better than the current dominix, better to fit, better to fly and makes a hell of a lot more sense than the domi or tempest.

It seems to me that Cruise Missiles would be an option for this ship. If you did four cruise launchers and three unstable heavy neuts you would free up 824 PG and 100 CPU to put elsewhere on your fit. You could then T2 your tank or get a second DDA to mitigate the DPS loss. The cruise range is more practical.

Good changes. Keep up the exelent work CCP.

5 unbonused torps do more dps than most things and the things that do out damage it, won't fit. If your complaining about the neut range bonus, - it's a nice bonus, not over powered, and more useful than it's not, for modules most people would fit on this ship regardless. All of the things you're nitpicking might be small tweaks to fittings - but compared to some of the other ships, it's fittings are not too bad at all. Either way, this ship is far better than the current dominix, better to fit, better to fly and makes a hell of a lot more sense than the domi or tempest.

...seriously, why have you all just accepting this heap of ****?

Pattern now your proposed fit is literally neut Phoon but worse.
With x2 1600 RT fited I have 112k ehp, but if you fit same stuff and I do mean literally copy paste your fit on Phoon it will have 86k ehp +1 more med slot(cause not a drone boat), will be faster, more agile and have more dps.

You could have 1238 dps overheated on old neut Phoon (with 111k ehp) you could probably do it now on new if not more, but you could not do it on new Geddon.

So please explain how is GedDomi better and how neut range bonus is more useful than it's not(unless if you suggest none bonus at all . Then I do agree something is better than nothing).
You have no idea how I want to embrace this changes, minmatar got 1 Tempest amarr have 3 of them now. So please let me see the light and tell me that at least one of new amarr ships is not a Tempest.

Because we have been around longer.

We have experienced what it is like to have ONLY two damage types (Gallente have always had ample drone space), the worst ones some say, with cross-dressing being the only way to get out from under that. A drone boat with cap supremacy and supplementary damage from whichever weapon system one can use afford us a staggering amount of versatility (more if it had a high moved to mids ) ..

The only bad thing is that it is a BS, a class that has such limited use in todays environment that the majority of people will have to suffer under the yolk of lasers for a while longer with the Prophecy being the sole platform to ease the pain.

not sure if you're aware but the most successful alliance in your militia runs nothing but amarr ships for doctrines, damage types be damned the armageddon is ****