'Much praised by its proponents and much maligned by its detractors, the Armageddon-class battleship has always been one of the most hotly debated spacefaring vessels around. Its distinguishing aspect - and the source of most of the controversy - is its sheer versatility, variously seen as either a lack of design focus or a deliberate freedom for pilot modification.'

I went ahead and fixed the description for you.

seriously, why have you all just accepting this heap of ****?

I have perfect fitting skills as a former Typhoon pilot. And drone skills. And missile skills. And armor skills. And navigation skills. Yeah... I can make it work quite well.

Now, get a new player with 2-3 top in all skills, and make it work. Just work, without "well".

What the hell is a player with 2-3 in core skills for one of the consistently most skill intensive races in Eve doing even considering boarding much less fitting or even buying a BS?.

Sure, the grid could do with a bump, but even with the low 13.5k (16.8k after skills) it has great potential using a neut/AC, neut/missile setup .. would prefer enough to allow for laser/blaster fits but no absolutely critical.

just saying why would you use the new shitageddon for neuting when the abaddon does it's job BETTER. http://i.imgur.com/AIWmTs0.png better tank better neut ammount.

OH BUT THAT EXTRA ~12~ KM OF RANGE ON HEAVY NEUTS.... biomass yourself irl.

like this is what you're getting guys http://i.imgur.com/pRk6mCV.png not even a full wrack of heavy neuts and tank. YOUR SHIP ISN'T CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER BATTLESHIP.

seriously, why have you all just accepting this heap of ****?

Apoc, is a wash. It was fine before, it's fine but different now - the most stupid thing I read in this thread is *Amarrians* complaining about homogenization because a battleship almost no one used became a drone boat, whilst demanding Hybrid style stats to smoothen out the rough edges (ie, downsides ie ie, high cap use, fittings) of energy weapons. The Apoc is almost the perfect sniper with Mega Beams, and it get's ******** with Tachyons.

*Amarrians* complaining about homogenization because a battleship almost no one used became a drone boat

The market statistics prove you wrong, easily. The battleship you call "noone using" is used by 60% Amarr battleship pilots.

buying one and using it are different. right now it's cheap as can be. hell, my naga costs the same amount. the geddon is a throw away BS with SOME usefulness right now. after odessey hits? it will be an expensive PoS. (Piece of ****)

If it's such a throwaway and not worth the crap, why am I prefer it over other two? I'll tell you why - because it's better. Simple at that.

I have ALOT of SP in drones already, and I'm NOT going to use that crap afterward. Because who ever want to use crap?

I have ALOT of SP in drones already, and I'm NOT going to use that crap afterward. Because who ever want to use crap?

Me.


I'll be flying this a lot where previously I might have considered a dominix.

why did you take away 2 slots for a mid slot? Was that maths fail? It now has 18 slots compared to the 19 slots of the Abaddon and Apoc.

And once again - as a drone boat Armageddon is outclassed by Dominix (and it should be), as a neut boat it is outclassed by Abaddon that has more tank and more neuts, and if you fit it with 5 torps and two neuts every tier 3 that just replaces 2 turrets with neuts will outclass it in every possible way.

Apocalypse got nerfed to the ground. It lost capacitor, drones, hp, and gained a tracking bonus that outperforms (slightly) dmg bonus only when shooting T1 cruisers that are in perfect orbit at 25-30km, i did a test and posted it a few pages back. Nvm that T1 cruisers cant do anything at 30km range, or that perfect orbits never happen. And it also lost a rig slot for now mandatory discharge rig, a rig i could use for metastasis adjuster if i wanted tracking so basically all it gained is 12% tracking, a little more than tracking enhancer gives you. The only ship that got nerfed to the ground in this "rebalance".

And why are the same ppl that are complaining that the Tempest is underpowered praising Apocalypse? Tempest got a huge buff to hp, now having even more armor hp than apocalypse, can use all 3 rigs for something other than "i can fire my guns" rig, thanks to double damage bonus will outdamage it to 35-40km, has two utility high slots and can be armor or shield tanked. It even has more drones than Apocalypse. And can fit artillery.

And once again - as a drone boat Armageddon is outclassed by Dominix (and it should be),

And once again - as a drone boat Armageddon is outclassed by Dominix (and it should be), as a neut boat it is outclassed by Abaddon that has more tank and more neuts, and if you fit it with 5 torps and two neuts every tier 3 that just replaces 2 turrets with neuts will outclass it in every possible way.

Apocalypse got nerfed to the ground. It lost capacitor, drones, hp, and gained a tracking bonus that outperforms (slightly) dmg bonus only when shooting T1 cruisers that are in perfect orbit at 25-30km, i did a test and posted it a few pages back. Nvm that T1 cruisers cant do anything at 30km range, or that perfect orbits never happen. And it also lost a rig slot for now mandatory discharge rig, a rig i could use for metastasis adjuster if i wanted tracking so basically all it gained is 12% tracking, a little more than tracking enhancer gives you. The only ship that got nerfed to the ground in this "rebalance".

And why are the same ppl that are complaining that the Tempest is underpowered praising Apocalypse? Tempest got a huge buff to hp, now having even more armor hp than apocalypse, can use all 3 rigs for something other than "i can fire my guns" rig, thanks to double damage bonus will outdamage it to 35-40km, has two utility high slots and can be armor or shield tanked. It even has more drones than Apocalypse. And can fit artillery.

You have clearly not been on sisi.

The Dominix has 12,000 power grid versus the geddons 16,000, no missile hardpoints the same drone damage, drone bay one additional mid, and a drone optimal range bonus. If you think that makes the dominix a better drone boat, let alone, better ship your high and drunk.

Then someone messed up somewhere- the geddon is supposed to have 13000 PWG, not 16000. At least according to the numbers posted in this thread.

The Dominix has 12,000 power grid versus the geddons 16,000, no missile hardpoints the same drone damage, drone bay one additional mid, and a drone optimal range bonus. If you think that makes the dominix a better drone boat, let alone, better ship your high and drunk.

The Apoc gained regen, gained a tracking bonus, became faster and more agile, gained power grid and cpu, got energy weapons that are easier to fit and use less cap. Christ, you couldn't even fit a rack of mega beams without fitting mods before! I think things like the armour HP, cap pool, and drone bay where completely necessary, but IMO, it's a better sniper/fleet ship now, than it was.

Your lso high and drunk if you believe any tempest fit will outdamage the apoc beyond 20km, let alone 40km and when you punch in a realistic fit, the tempest would be lucky to out damage the apoc outside of web range. I'm surprised CCP Rise hasn't been more dismissive than he has been given the level of myopia and unsubstantiated logic powering some of the comments here.

Dominix has its place in fleets as premier Sentry drone boat thanks to its optimal&tracking bonus. Abaddon is a better neut boat. No need to bring Armageddon in big fleets. You know, the only place Amarr battleships are still used.

I posted a test few pages back how good that bonus is on lasers. (it sucks, if you are lazy to look it up) And if you think it gained cap you are ******** since its Mega pulses will now use 46.8 cap to fire, up from 26. Pulse lasers with scorch already have 60km optimal with tracking computers. Both its bonuses are highly situational, it lost capacitor, lost a lot of tank. And even with that pathetic boost to speed it is still the slowest attack battleship around. No one would use this over Abaddon. It also lost one rig slot because discharge rig became mandatory. I could fit tracking in there if i wanted tracking.

Shield tanked Tempest will outdamage Apocalypse considerably up to 35k then Apocalypse gets ahead. Armor tanked will outdamage Apocalypse up to 20km and then slowly fall behind but still do decent up to 40km. It will be faster, have no cap issues and have better tank in all situations. So i do think it is better.