I'm thinking CCP have recruited people that have no sense of history in eve like gallente being the drone gods, ammar being armor tanking lazor shooting gods and so on.

keep to the history of the game when making these changes instead of diluting the blood lines as it was.

I'm thinking CCP have recruited people that have no sense of history in eve like gallente being the drone gods, ammar being armor tanking lazor shooting gods and so on.

keep to the history of the game when making these changes instead of diluting the blood lines as it was.

I like the changes. But I am looking at that poor Hyperion.

It always struck me as odd that Gallente ships never had an EWAR platform at the BS level. Perhaps adding a third bonus to damp strength (and a midslot?) would make these brawling monsters in small gang.

Fine, do what I did when I found out my BS skills sucked and I blew up 3 abbadons and a Nav 'geddon my first day of trying to run L4 missions in them... go back to the Harbinger, fit it out with a dual rep (only activate the 2nd rep as needed, cycle turrets to balance it out) and run L3s and maybe some low end L4s in it till you do have the proper skills for the BS.

This, Stick with the Lore.

Ok so...
1. You're using you losing 4 ships (really? I mean, REALLY?) as a way to, supposedly, support your argument. That doesn't make a smidgen of sense, on top of being anecdotal evidence at it's heart.
2. New Amarr player used to be able can train either damage and tank, which allowed him to run L4s faster because the cap held thanks to the hull bonus. That's what I did, with great results. After the change, due to no cap use hull bonus on ANY of the T1 BSes he can kill his brain whacking L3s for subpar rewards or dock up for a month - to train up capacitor skills or cross train to any other race. Both choices carry a large risk of making him quit before he overcomes the initial learning hurdle.

One could also point out this does not only affect newbie L4 runners, but that's the perspective I can fully stand behind now.

The Geddon has always relied heavily on it's very large drone bay, and Amarr ships in general have always relied heavily on Neuts/Nos combat... they have also always had varieties of ships that specialize in missiles as well.

Learn your history before you try and defend it.

I know my game history I have been playing since before 09 in one form or another

that was it the lore bit intrested in checking what they nublets are planning on doing to my beloved gallente.

When we asked for a T1 BS balance pass, we didn't mean pull a drive by and destroy the Amarr BS lineup.

Seriously, what are you thinking?

If you actually wanted to do something helpful, why not fix what needed fixing instead of just tossing everything out the window and puting in some half baked ship ideas.

Abaddon - Was fine, it was tanky and did good dps but was heavy on cap as a downside. If you wanted to tone it down, you could have touched its drones bay or something secondary.

Apocalypse - This was always supposed to be Amarr's sniper boat. Lower damage than the Armageddon and Abaddon, but way more projection and cap stability. If you wanted to help the Apoc, you should have fixed its horrible fitting and given it enough grid and CPU to fit Tachyons and given it decent base lock range.

Armageddon - This is possibly one of the dumbest changes I have seen to date. NO GEDDON PILOT EVER ASKED FOR THIS. The ship was FINE, it had a role as a laser damage boat with less tank than the baddon but with better cap stability. If you wanted to balance it, you could have eased its fitting and given it enough CPU to fit what it needed rather than just change it into a range neut domi.


I hope these changes will be scrapped and given a proper look based on what Amarr pilots actually need, rather than some cookie cutter model you guys are trying to throw ships into.



BTW - BUFF THE HARBINGER.

I'm saying I was once a "new amarr amarr" player myself and I made mistakes, trying by example to help you to learn from them. However, if all you can do is sit there and have a ***** fest about any little thing that isn't exactly the way you want it, your obviously a lost cause. Either shut up or we can go shoot at each other in game, either way I'm done with this fail argument.

BTW - BUFF THE HARBINGER.

Please tell me that the armageddon navy issue will keep it's current role, it would be silly to make it a neuting drone ship as well ontop of this new geddon and the baahlgorn...

+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)

a mini bhaalgorn?

Armageddon:

This is a fun one. Bet you guys didn't think my first two projects would be to slow down the Talos and throw the old Armageddon out the window! But! I think its the best thing for the race line overall. What we've done here is make the Armageddon an echo to the new dragoon destroyer. It makes sense for Amarr to have a battleship variation that rewards players who've trained for dragoon -> arbitrator -> prophecy, and with the neut range bonus, the Armageddon should be a huge payoff. As the Armageddon is falling under 'combat' it will receive a substantial hitpoint boost, sensor strength boost, sig increase, and speed decrease.

While we understand that this is a very powerful ship, it should not be oppressive. Hopefully it will offer a new type of challenge to fly and fly against. To anyone who is very sad to see the old Armageddon go, I encourage to you consider that if left the same, it would have been even more crowded by the Abaddon as a result of the price adjustment than it already was. Again, we look forward to your feedback.

Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M(+1), 7L(-1); 5 turrets(-2) , 5 launchers(+5)
Fittings: 14500 PWG(-2000), 550 CPU(+65)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6800(+1331) / 8500(+1859) / 8000(+1789)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 6200(+887.5) / 1087s / 5.7
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 100(-5) / .13(+.002) / 105200000 / 18.96s (+.29)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(+250)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Radar Sensor Strength (+4)
Signature radius: 450 (+80)

Well Said +1

You are insane?!

DONT TOUCH ARMAGEDDON! This changes killing armageddon!