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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:30:00 -
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I don't know if it sounds better to say:
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay when decloaking in a stealth bomber next patch.
Or
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay from cloaking devices fitted to stealth bombers next patch.
Or maybe even
Next patch we want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay.....
Anyway, that's what we want to do. Does anyone have anything to add? Anyone see a glaring reason why we shouldn't? Anyone have any other little changes we might want to do to them that isn't going to require massive rebalancing or programming efforts? For their cost and the potential for them to be really cool ships they seem under-used. They came prenerfed since we didn't want them to be too ganktastic but after watching things for a while we think the timers can be removed.
So, thoughts?
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 23/09/2005 16:37:55
Edited by: Ticondrius on 23/09/2005 16:32:31
I think you will soon have an email inbox flooded with marriage offers...from both genders.
My only other request is to give them a touch more CPU/Grid..I don't know about the other 3, but the Nemesis is an absolute pain in the ass to fit, even with maxed fitting skills. My thron is easier to fit than this thing. The Nemesis just doesn't have enough low slots to deal with poor fitting.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:32:00 -
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:32:00 -
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yes please, reduce missile volume while your at it ^^
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:32:00 -
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if yo udo this I wll stop all my training and train up for one. It would make the ship worth having..
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:34:00 -
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Yes, that sounds good.
Id also like a rebalancing of the armor/shield values though. For example the Manticore has like 20 less armor then it has shields (270 shield to 255 armor from memory)
That doesnt sound right.
Hell, while were at it, im also wondering why they dont receive the same resistance bonus the Assault frigs get?
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:34:00 -
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OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news 
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 23/09/2005 16:35:40
Because you touched the Thorax. 
(BTW, I agree with the proposed Thorax change..don't listen to the whiners.)
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:36:00 -
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:36:00 -
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Uhh I think that every stealth bomber should be able to fit 3 cruise launchers and not just the manticore. Hell even 4 would be alright.
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Tuxford
OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news
Because you're the new guy 
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news
Because you're still the CCP rookie  Its their hazing ritual.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
I don't know if it sounds better to say:
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay when decloaking in a stealth bomber next patch.
Or
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay from cloaking devices fitted to stealth bombers next patch.
Or maybe even
Next patch we want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay.....
Anyway, that's what we want to do. Does anyone have anything to add? Anyone see a glaring reason why we shouldn't? Anyone have any other little changes we might want to do to them that isn't going to require massive rebalancing or programming efforts? For their cost and the potential for them to be really cool ships they seem under-used. They came prenerfed since we didn't want them to be too ganktastic but after watching things for a while we think the timers can be removed.
So, thoughts?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 23/09/2005 16:39:24
Originally by: Capsicum
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totally agree
...and while you at it, give a bit more grid/cpu to the bombers... since the missile changes, the cruise launchers new grid would make it almost impossible to fit anything else in the bombers.
edit: slap the thread with sum stikify glue?
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:39:00 -
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bombers are fun to fly alrdy, but that are great great news!
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:41:00 -
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What about the Powergrid? Since Cruiser launchers got a PG increase they have been super hard to fit because the bonus on the bombers was never increased. Can this be fixed?
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kaemonn
Originally by: Tuxford
OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news
Because you're still the CCP rookie Its their hazing ritual.
They told me the hazing ritual was that other thing.
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Gentlewind
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:46:00 -
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Thats a great idea and as someone above me mentioned a bit more grid would be nice too
As the skill 'Cloaking' would effectively become redundent maybe you could change it so that every level trained reduces the distance you can be decloaked by 20%.
(I hope the above makes sense!)
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TekRa
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:46:00 -
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I think I'm in love! 
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ithildin on 23/09/2005 16:49:57
Originally by: CCP Hammer
I don't know if it sounds better to say:
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay when decloaking in a stealth bomber next patch.
*snip*
So, thoughts?
TC owns one of the print originals, thanks!
EDIT:
As for that other thingy about additional thoughts. Why not have them use Torps instead of cruise missiles? I.e. be a nightmare for really large ships. They're really fragile against smaller ships (who can hit them), and as such doesn't really fit in the role as friggy-pwner.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Tuxford
OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news
Because you're the new guy
No wonder you made him post the t1 ship overhaul thread :/
On topic: Excellent change.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Kaemonn
Originally by: Tuxford
OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news
Because you're still the CCP rookie Its their hazing ritual.
They told me the hazing ritual was that other thing.
  
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:52:00 -
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OMG, <3 Hammer!
To be honest this is exactly what I wanted. Thanks for taking another look at 'em, CCP!
Ahem. Now on to my suggestions. Having only used the Manticore, and having had no experience flying any other race's ships (period), I'll only be taking a look at the bombers from that perspective. Doesn't mean my following thoughts won't apply for the other bombers...
1) One thing that I think is quite useless on the bombers is the added resistances to shield and armour. They are really too minute to make a difference, and should really be scraped for average resistances with better HP. Doesn't (shouldn't) need to be as much as an interceptor though.
2) Warping sucks in my Manticore, quite frankly. I have fairly good cap skills and I can't get more than 48 AU without draining all my cap. Yeah, these things shouldn't travel that far, but adjusting the warp/cap factor might not be a miss. Also, try adjusting the speed to 4.5 AU/s. It's nitpicky, but bombers are little sloooow.
3) There's other things I could bring up, but if the targeting delay is being scraped completely, those suggestions would probably over power the ship =)
4) Did I mention I lub CCP?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:53:00 -
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"OMG why can't I ever deliver the good news "
Aww, poor Tux ^,^~
as for the change, sounds nice indeed. Mhmm, always liked looks of Manticore, but just couldn't find reason to train for stealth ops... might reconsider, now :s
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OutofSight
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:53:00 -
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Sounds great, but the grid needs to be increased ever so slightly (well maybe more than slightly) i dont own one but im told its impossible to fit 3 cruise launchers on a manticore without using two MAPCs (so you can fit other things)
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: OutofSight
Sounds great, but the grid needs to be increased ever so slightly (well maybe more than slightly) i dont own one but im told its impossible to fit 3 cruise launchers on a manticore without using two MAPCs (so you can fit other things)
I fit 3 launchers with two PDU IIs. That was before I got Advanced Weapon Upgrades to IV. Now it's even better
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.09.23 16:55:00 -
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Quote:
We want to remove the targetting timer delay and module activation delay when decloaking in a stealth bomber next patch.
Yay for that. This should really improve the situation - the cloak ships will finally become what they were meant to be.
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Zeb Carter
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:10:00 -
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeet. I already loved my Manticore for frig popping in belts, now it will be more viable for PVP.
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Intar Domi
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:12:00 -
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i think stealth bombers are pretty useless atm. i only seen one in use, and that was a "semi"-sniper. (semi because of the missile flight time). it could hit anything from 110KMs.
removing the targetting delay and the the module activation delay is the least you can do for them. in my opinion they would be really usefull, but probably overpowered when they could warp while cloaked.
anyway, useful idea, i agree with the middle one. the stealth bombers should have got some cloaking bonuses, what makes them a bit better at cloaking than other ships.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: DarK
Uhh I think that every stealth bomber should be able to fit 3 cruise launchers and not just the manticore.
This needs to be sorted out imo.
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