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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:01:00 -
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I just saw (thanks Reddit) that the clone cost adjustment for Odyssey went to Singularity with the latest update. I didn't realize this would happen so quickly and I didn't have a post ready so I'm throwing this up in the middle of the night!
Basically, for Odyssey we are lowering the cost of clone upgrades across the board by 30%. This is meant as the first increment on a more thorough iteration on the clone system. Our hope is that through this first step we will be able to establish what (if any) effect clone prices have on player behavior. If you have any feedback related to the clone system (especially in terms of how it affects your play-style) we would love to hear from you.
I'm sure image links are usually not ideal for dev posts, but it is the middle of the night, so here is a screen shot of the new clone prices proposed for Odyssey: CLONES
Yours, CCP Rise |
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:03:00 -
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All is forgiven. \o/
Well, most anyway. :) |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3762
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:03:00 -
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30% is a good start, but I would love to see the increases when you get up to the next clone decreased as well CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Sala Cameron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
105
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:04:00 -
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In numbers:
currently: http://i.imgur.com/CSFFWYC.png
new: http://i.imgur.com/gFO3xXK.png
:) |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
49090
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:05:00 -
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Ha Checkmate, well play CCP
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Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
239
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:06:00 -
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Thank you. It really is one of the few things that make being a higher sp player worse than a new player. I've made alts to pvp with to avoid some of the cost of clones on alt character.
Can we get insurance changes for tiericide ships, too? Cause they aren't adding up. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality.-á That 'griefer/thief' is probably more sane than you are.-á How screwed up is that? |
Ali Aras
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
263
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:07:00 -
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This is awesome. I mostly hear about people who don't want to come on roams because their clone cost outstripped their rifter cost a while ago, and I'll probably be there once the BC changes go through and I've got a few million more free SP. I'm really looking forward to how this shifts playstyles. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
Drunken Bum
311
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:07:00 -
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Its a start i guess. Spare some change?-á |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3642
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:09:00 -
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Just remove them completely and move the ISK sink somewhere else related to the cost of ships. That way it scales on the ship risked in combat instead of how long the player has been subscribed to the game.
I wrote an article on why clone costs need to be removed completely HERE. Of course ignore the idea of the insurance removal in it.
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
535
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:10:00 -
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Very happy about this.
Can't wait to see if it has an outward effect on people's attitude/willingness to pvp more often. Mangala Undocked |
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3642
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:13:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Very happy about this.
Can't wait to see if it has an outward effect on people's attitude/willingness to pvp more often. It will help a little. A complete removal is the best move in my opinion.
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1048
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:15:00 -
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You guys are victims of your own success. Small ships are so fun to fly, everyone wants to be able to fly them without forking over 40m for a clone.
Great start, hi5 ~ |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
534
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:18:00 -
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Drunken Bum wrote:Its a start i guess.
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
242
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:19:00 -
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So getting podded in 0.0 in a 1m frigate still costs me 32m. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
185
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:19:00 -
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I fully support this product and/or service. And, while this might "benefit older players more than newer ones", it benefits everyone, in the end. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
352
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:21:00 -
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How much ISK do clone upgrades take out of the economy? sÅ»µä¢püäpü»µ¡út+¬pÇé |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
788
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:22:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:So getting podded in 0.0 in a 1m frigate still costs me 32m.
For now, but if that makes a lot of people happy as a first step, it may cost much less in the not too distant future.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
871
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:23:00 -
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I want clones to be a commodity :)
Still a good change, keep 'em coming We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
2818
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:23:00 -
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What about the (sentry) drone fixes, are they on sisi yet?
Clone costs don't have any impact on my pvp, since you asked.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
481
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:25:00 -
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Two step wrote:30% is a good start, but I would love to see the increases when you get up to the next clone decreased as well
This.
Hell, EVE's economy and press releases need people to get out there and die in ships. Just make the clone costs 1 isk per level of clone. Stupidity Tax if you don't update it. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:25:00 -
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While I believe in theory it made sense, in practice it's terrible. The clone costs now are ridiculous for high SP guys, and it limits the viability of dicking around in cheap disposable ships. I'm fundamentally against any mechanic which discourages PVP, and I'm glad it has finally been addressed (Soundwave and Unifex responded to a tweet of mine last year saying they were looking at it) Follow me on twitter |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
755
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:26:00 -
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how is it that people have 100m sp and have so little money they still keep track of their money down to the tens of millions
like do they count their pennies when they get home every night irl |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:29:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:how is it that people have 100m sp and have so little money they still keep track of their money down to the tens of millions
like do they count their pennies when they get home every night irl
Some of us are not mega barons of trading. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:29:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Two step wrote:30% is a good start, but I would love to see the increases when you get up to the next clone decreased as well This. Hell, EVE's economy and press releases need people to get out there and die in ships. Just make the clone costs 1 isk per level of clone. Stupidity Tax if you don't update it.
1 Aurum per clone level |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1727
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:30:00 -
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Maybe make clones a continuous cost, per month, instead of per death. Might even sink a lot more ISK from the risk averse people who never get themselves podded than the current system. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3644
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:31:00 -
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CCP Rise - Why did you not remove them completely? Why just the 30%? Sure suicide podding across the game via the abuse of clone locations would need to be addressed, but solving that has several solutions that are acceptable.
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Powers Sa
650
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:31:00 -
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Now my clone costs less than my interceptor. YAYYYYYYYYYY. Vote Nullsec for CSM8 Mynnna || Kesper North || Kaleb Rysode || Malc00nis || Artctura || Unforgiven Storm |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
481
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:32:00 -
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xttz wrote:pmchem wrote:Two step wrote:30% is a good start, but I would love to see the increases when you get up to the next clone decreased as well This. Hell, EVE's economy and press releases need people to get out there and die in ships. Just make the clone costs 1 isk per level of clone. Stupidity Tax if you don't update it. 1 Aurum per clone level
That suggestion is golden. |
Harrigan VonStudly
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER Li3 Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:34:00 -
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Thank you for this. Co host of Shunners and Sinners: An Eve online podcast -á- Shunners and Sinners |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
790
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:34:00 -
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Quote:CCP Rise - Why did you not remove them completely?
I'm with you. We talked about it a lot here, and we all would rather make this system better than strip it out completely. I know this is a careful first step, but trust me, we want to do more with it and this is a way for us to act in a more informed way when we are able to more, and in the mean time it eases the pain a bit for you guys.
Something CCP is becoming more serious about (with Fozzie as one of the major champions) is making 'good' changes NOW even if there's some 'perfect' solution somewhere down the line that might take quite awhile to actually happen. |
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