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Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:10:00 -
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I don't care if i got banned from forum but all i think about this nerf is
F-U-C-K YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
jiaulina
Bad Security. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:10:00 -
[122] - Quote
Citadel missiles: Remove the explosion velocity penalty from siege modules Only for cruise missiles or does it work for torpedoes too?
That penalty just doesn't make any sense, i see no logical reason why that penalty should even be there in the first place.
If it's removed for torps too, then good job, phoenixes are finally a bit more useful :) +1 GÖÑ |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth R.E.P.O.
96
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:13:00 -
[123] - Quote
Two step wrote:These changes are a good start. I think all dreads (except for lolPhoenix) will still be blapping, but I am happy to see how much this impacts things before further changes are made...
totally agree, after some quick calcs i think it will not really change anything, at least for BS blapping. |
Powers Sa
651
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:14:00 -
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I hate to be a whiner, but can you tell me why this is not an instance of "instead of fixing a platform, I pair back existing successful systems". I'm sorry, but i'm new to the concept of game design and balance. Vote Nullsec for CSM8 Mynnna || Kesper North || Kaleb Rysode || Malc00nis || Artctura || Unforgiven Storm |
Makalu Zarya
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
78
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
if you are gonna nerf the moros then nerf the moros, don't make a useless ship. I haven't done the math but seriously...everyone has a moros because it's the best dread...now everyone is gonna have to get rid of them with no buyers?...great |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
85
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
Makalu Zarya wrote:if you are gonna nerf the moros then nerf the moros, don't make a useless ship. I haven't done the math but seriously...everyone has a moros because it's the best dread...now everyone is gonna have to get rid of them with no buyers?...great
How is this too extreme? They are still going to be great for short range damage, it's just that now it won't be that much more supreme to the Revelation in every ******* way. Also, welcome to the price for FOTM. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
84
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:22:00 -
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Why is anyone going to have to get rid of them? They're still DPS monsters, they're just no longer leaps and bounds better than the rest... It's far from useless even after these changes. It shows that you haven't done the maths... |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
189
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:23:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Kacer Xenro wrote:Oh great, i just finished Siege 5 for a moros.
Now crosstraining into amarr While I'm guessing thats somewhat in jest - theres a fair point in there - Eve has always been about playing the long game and far too many changes recently have made a big difference to things people will have spent time working and planning towards. Eventually people may become reluctant to invest too much in working towards a long term goal in Eve (and possibly lose interest in the game) wary of arbitary changes making all their efforts a waste of time before or shortly after getting there. To a certain extent its unavoidable but its something that seems to have been forgotten a little too much of late. This is actually a pretty salient point, considering that it's not possible to "respec" or grind up the necessary new skills given constant change. However, as is the case with any flavor-of-the-month system, you should always train for what playstyle you enjoy, and then you can enjoy it while you're playing instead of always wishing you had trained for X because it was the FOTM. I will echo some similar complaints, however, that the game is feeling very homogeneous lately, and I think the risk there is that many ships will turn out being very vanilla with a mix of middlesome stats while not truly excelling at anything.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
3572
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:26:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Rroff wrote:Kacer Xenro wrote:Oh great, i just finished Siege 5 for a moros.
Now crosstraining into amarr While I'm guessing thats somewhat in jest - theres a fair point in there - Eve has always been about playing the long game and far too many changes recently have made a big difference to things people will have spent time working and planning towards. Eventually people may become reluctant to invest too much in working towards a long term goal in Eve (and possibly lose interest in the game) wary of arbitary changes making all their efforts a waste of time before or shortly after getting there. To a certain extent its unavoidable but its something that seems to have been forgotten a little too much of late. This is actually a pretty salient point, considering that it's not possible to "respec" or grind up the necessary new skills given constant change. However, as is the case with any flavor-of-the-month system, you should always train for what playstyle you enjoy, and then you can enjoy it while you're playing instead of always wishing you had trained for X because it was the FOTM. I will echo some similar complaints, however, that the game is feeling very homogeneous lately, and I think the risk there is that many ships will turn out being very vanilla with a mix of middlesome stats while not truly excelling at anything.
I'm going to counter this argument of homogeneity: it feels to me that the Caracal, Moa, Omen, and Arbitrator are all very different ships. The variety is still there, and the question is whether Eve would be better off with only four cruisers instead of all the ones we actually have. I'd say we're better off with the ships that are middlesome without excelling than not having them at all.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
724
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:26:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:RIFT TORPEDO EXPLOSION VELOCITY: 20m/s WITHOUT SIEGE MODULE PENALTY
AEON VELOCITY: 60m/s
CAN YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?
Signature 11870 m Explosion radius 1500 m
No, I can't see the problem.
At least, the problem isn't application to supercarriers. It's the ****** DPS from citadel missiles in the first place, together with the stupid kinetic-only bonus that can be trivially refitted against.
As it is, these changes alter nothing. Moros is still the best, Phoenix is still worthless. |
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Cari Cullejen
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
27
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
Madlof Chev wrote:Anyone want a gallente dreadnought skillbook?
yes please In love with CCP Sunset, and maybe-áCCP t0rfifrans :3 |
Las Minna
Dead Space Continuum
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:27:00 -
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WTF! U ****** up suppers. so ppl who get suppers dont have much to do with them beside structure shooting. Isnt so that ppl who get suppers stop playing or just let them rot? Now u try to make some dreads useless. OMG this game is only for newbs. And im gonna f... off from this game soon. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
58
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:27:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Johnny thorir wrote:RIP moros It's still the best one tbh.
If you are the "balance officer" how can you say this? |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:28:00 -
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BLASTER WILL END UP WITH LESS OPTIMAL AND LESS FALLOFF OF AUTOCANNON so u need to nerf also small, medium and large blaster to bring them in line. Hybrid was great years ago, after become **** ( medium rail are still ****), after boost the come back in use and now let's nerf again f-uck you |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:33:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:X-L Pulses: +6.666% optimal
Most evil update ever!
I see your hidden message CCP! |
MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
104
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:34:00 -
[136] - Quote
Seems like you were going to nerf tracing enhancers at the same time, did you keep that in mind when thought of these changes? Cos 2 nerfs at the same time, isn't it too much? |
Gnadolin
Space Pioneers Black Core Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:34:00 -
[137] - Quote
Can we now remove the "does less damage"-Role "Bonus" from Titans? This seems quite outdated after increasing the weapon signatura resolution of XL-Weapons. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
379
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:35:00 -
[138] - Quote
Could we get a boost on the HP of Citadel Missiles? Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Demolishar
United Aggression
875
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:35:00 -
[139] - Quote
Why is the optimal range of the Blasters less than the optimal range of the Autocannons? How exactly does that make sense? |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
321
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:37:00 -
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Isaiah Harms wrote:CCP Fozzie. You are by far the most inept, ham-handed Dev to swing the nerf bat. The word 'tweak' doesn't exist for you. It's all about breaking some mechanic so hard it ain't worth having.
I object to your halfwit addle brained excuses for wasting all the time we players spent maxing out Moros skills. I dare you to be so clumsy around the super capital crowd. Oh wait....that would be bad for your old alliance Wow, you've clearly missed the last couple of expansions...
Also, nerfing your OP toy does not an idiot make - quite the opposite actually.
Also, also, HTFU. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice. |
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
86
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:38:00 -
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Giullare wrote:BLASTER WILL END UP WITH LESS OPTIMAL AND LESS FALLOFF OF AUTOCANNON so u need to nerf also small, medium and large blaster to bring them in line. Hybrid was great years ago, after become **** ( medium rail are still ****), after boost the come back in use and now let's nerf again f-uck you
Less optimal, more falloff on hybrids. Autocannons are only losing some tracking, no falloff.
XL Blasters were out of line anyways.
Neutron Blaster Cannon II with faction AM: 4.500 + 12.500 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon with faction AM: 18.750 + 18.750 New Ion Siege Blaster Cannon with faction AM: 8.750 + 28.750 (approx)
They were out of line in the first place. This change will make them actual blasters again, instead of pulse lasers with autocannon falloff. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
256
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:38:00 -
[142] - Quote
Quick guess would be the Moros' effective damage vs a battleship being near half after the ammo chance and the tracking loss but that's still a fair bit better than the Revelation.
That's just because the rev has a stupid second bonus. Cap bonus \o/ |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
3572
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:39:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Why is the optimal range of the Blasters less than the optimal range of the Autocannons? How exactly does that make sense?
What I heard here is that we want to nerf the optimal on autocannons... +1!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
385
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:41:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Why is the optimal range of the Blasters less than the optimal range of the Autocannons? How exactly does that make sense? It makes sense , if you are a winmatar fanboy like Fozzie,if not yup it doesnt make any sense at all. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
875
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:41:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Demolishar wrote:Why is the optimal range of the Blasters less than the optimal range of the Autocannons? How exactly does that make sense? What I heard here is that we want to nerf the optimal on autocannons... +1! -Liang
I'm OK with that solution tbh. |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
190
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:42:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:Rroff wrote:Kacer Xenro wrote:Oh great, i just finished Siege 5 for a moros.
Now crosstraining into amarr While I'm guessing thats somewhat in jest - theres a fair point in there - Eve has always been about playing the long game and far too many changes recently have made a big difference to things people will have spent time working and planning towards. Eventually people may become reluctant to invest too much in working towards a long term goal in Eve (and possibly lose interest in the game) wary of arbitary changes making all their efforts a waste of time before or shortly after getting there. To a certain extent its unavoidable but its something that seems to have been forgotten a little too much of late. This is actually a pretty salient point, considering that it's not possible to "respec" or grind up the necessary new skills given constant change. However, as is the case with any flavor-of-the-month system, you should always train for what playstyle you enjoy, and then you can enjoy it while you're playing instead of always wishing you had trained for X because it was the FOTM. I will echo some similar complaints, however, that the game is feeling very homogeneous lately, and I think the risk there is that many ships will turn out being very vanilla with a mix of middlesome stats while not truly excelling at anything. I'm going to counter this argument of homogeneity: it feels to me that the Caracal, Moa, Omen, and Arbitrator are all very different ships. The variety is still there, and the question is whether Eve would be better off with only four cruisers instead of all the ones we actually have. I'd say we're better off with the ships that are middlesome without excelling than not having them at all. -Liang I'd probably argue that different ships for the sake of having different ships that don't particularly excel at anything would be neither missed nor forgotten primarily due to people not flying them. I think the tiericide initiative has gone very far in making various previously-marginalized ships quite useful and appealing in today's Eve-O because they excel at certain tasks or within certain playstyles, all while not changing the sandbox-y nature of the game. One of the most appealing things about Eve--certainly the thing that has attracted me to it--is the ability to play how you want with some variability due to fitting choices.
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Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Johnny thorir wrote:RIP moros It's still the best one tbh.
Cool story, it was bad for years... remember when it couldn't reach reveleation dps even with drones (that u could lose?)
Naglfar = capless turret , damage selection Revelation = no ammo waste (more space for fuel), good layout for armor tanking Phoenix = good pos bash, worst by far for everything else (patch doesn't change this) Moros = dps king, **** on his feet, use cap, use ammo
Now, if u nerf blaster moros will **** on his knees. In addition u are nerfing also tracking enhancers....... why u try to broke something u fixed?
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
86
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:44:00 -
[148] - Quote
Giullare wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Johnny thorir wrote:RIP moros It's still the best one tbh. Cool story, it was bad for years... remember when it couldn't reach reveleation dps even with drones (that u could lose?) Naglfar = capless turret , damage selection Revelation = no ammo waste (more space for fuel), good layout for armor tanking Phoenix = good pos bash, worst by far for everything else (patch doesn't change this) Moros = dps king, **** on his feet, use cap, use ammo Now, if u nerf blaster moros will **** on his knees. In addition u are nerfing also tracking enhancers....... why u try to broke something u fixed?
More space for fuel? You know Dreads have a fuel bay, right? |
Kylee Frye
hirr RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:46:00 -
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How about we get a 50% Tracking bonus for the Revs, maybe they would be finally in line with Moros / Nag? |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:47:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:Giullare wrote:BLASTER WILL END UP WITH LESS OPTIMAL AND LESS FALLOFF OF AUTOCANNON so u need to nerf also small, medium and large blaster to bring them in line. Hybrid was great years ago, after become **** ( medium rail are still ****), after boost the come back in use and now let's nerf again f-uck you Less optimal, more falloff on hybrids. Autocannons are only losing some tracking, no falloff. XL Blasters were out of line anyways. Neutron Blaster Cannon II with faction AM: 4.500 + 12.500 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon with faction AM: 18.750 + 18.750 New Ion Siege Blaster Cannon with faction AM: 8.750 + 28.750 (approx) They were out of line in the first place. This change will make them actual blasters again, instead of pulse lasers with autocannon falloff.
Good sir if u check TQ now u will see that adding 10km falloff to x-l blaster u will have less falloff than autocannon x-l, just saying 15km + 10km = 25 km for blaster (+ skills) 28,8km for autocannons (+skills) |
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