To get in range now will require every Moros to warp right to the shield edge, which would be OK if it wasnt for the ******** bumping mechanics that will see half of the capital fleet flying off at ridiculous speed.

What you are failing to understand is that we now have to use optimal scripts simply to be able to do what the ship is designed to do in the first place.

I cant stress enough how bad an approach this is to capital launchers under performing, nerfing min and gal capital turrets is ridiculous.
Dont nerf, buff. Bring energy turrents inline and bring capital launchers inline with their counter parts that actually perform and are useful.

When something is not overpowered, balance up via buffs for under performers, dont nerf things down in an attempt to balance.

Boohoo, you have to use a script. So what? Tracking speed is irrelevant when shooting structures (literally, I tried MWDing in a blaster Naga with a 500m orbit around a TCU once to test this, and I still hit just as well as when sitting still). You can afford to focus all of your TCs on optimal+falloff only.

You cannot do balance work with only buffs.. Thats called powercreeping

The irony in these nerfs is that the phoenix still sucks badly still when being compared to the nerfed dreads.It just changed levels of suckage.

From ridiculously to miserably.

the true irony is that CCP was in such a hurry to push these changes that they didn't realize they hurt Titans even more. Congrats on really making them nothing more than a bridge.

damn dude i literally just ordered 2 moros last week, RIP me

give the moros back its drone bay imo

the true irony is that CCP was in such a hurry to push these changes that they didn't realize they hurt Titans even more. Congrats on really making them nothing more than a bridge.

Yeah, this too.

CCP, you really need to think this one through. Owners of capitals and supers are the guys with multiple accounts, they're the ones who create content for the masses.

Nerfing one thing buffs everything else

You cannot do balance work with only buffs.. Thats called powercreeping


Power creeping is bad.


EDIT: Also to those who can't see why the Moros should lose range... the Moros actually had better damage application than the Naglfar up to like 60 km or more, thats kinda ridiculous.

They are used for more than just structure shooting. The point is that a 15% tracking nerf coupled with the Optimal nerf is just ridiculous. CCP should have brought the other weapon systems UP to where Hybrids are, not nerf them further to compensate for very poor and short sighted game design.

the true irony is that CCP was in such a hurry to push these changes that they didn't realize they hurt Titans even more. Congrats on really making them nothing more than a bridge.

Besides, titans can be counter-buffed fairly easily by reducing the reduction in their damage to sub-caps or simply increasing their bonus to capital weapon systems' damage.

They are used for more than just structure shooting. The point is that a 15% tracking nerf coupled with the Optimal nerf is just ridiculous. CCP should have brought the other weapon systems UP to where Hybrids are, not nerf them further to compensate for very poor and short sighted game design.

So, your position is that the Moros' power level is 'just right' for a dreadnaught? Interesting, because just about everyone previous to this nerf seemed to be of the opinion that it was too good.

The Moros is still going to be a good ship, you know.

Are you ever going to fix citadel torps so they do full damage against all pos mods and not just the tower itself.

Heh i like the part when someone from ccp asks us to tell them what we think but all the posts and feedbacks will be ignored, at the end nothing gonna change .. right Fozzie?

Well we can only keep at it if we want to see further changes. They did go back and revise some of the Battleship changes after players spoke. We basically have 3 views here.

Group A: HAHA Moros nerfed! Gallente sucks! aka the troll group

Group B: Why does my phoenix still suck?

Group C: Those of us who are actually providing constructive criticisms and trying to provide other options.


Group C just really needs to make themselves heard right now. The Moros changes hurt the most, but the rest of the changes are at best lackluster and a band-aid applied to a gaping wound. I would like to know what exactly CCP's vision of a dreadnaught is supposed to be?

I wonder, is there still a reason to make dread completely immobile when in siege? Sure, their engines are shut off, but why that over 9000% increase in mass? Let the support fleet to make them move, those new attack battleships would be great in the role of "tugboats". Because just why not? This is a sandbox, and scripting the dreads to sit still in place is bad and boring.