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Sc0rpion	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:29:00 - [451] Originally by: Nadar Originally by: Sc0rpion Originally by: Nadar Originally by: Paul Castrin 1) 4S is now linked to what amounts to a terrorist act. Regardless if their actions ultimately caused a crash or not that was their intent. Would be bombers irl are treated the same. It's not only the act but the planning of said act even if it failed that is criminal. You said terrorists? Let's call Mr. Bush! Don't even joke about that. The way British and US law are written, you could make a case for it. Too bad I'm not american or british then :) Do you think that matters? "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
YodaMasterJedi	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:32:00 - [452] Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 17:36:12 Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 17:32:49 Originally by: Avon Aw, poor baby. Whatever I pay for this game with my money and only CCP are acceptable to bring the game down for us players. You sir must pay with mommy or daddy's credit card.
Nadar	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:35:00 - [453] Originally by: Sc0rpion Originally by: Nadar Originally by: Sc0rpion Originally by: Nadar Originally by: Paul Castrin 1) 4S is now linked to what amounts to a terrorist act. Regardless if their actions ultimately caused a crash or not that was their intent. Would be bombers irl are treated the same. It's not only the act but the planning of said act even if it failed that is criminal. You said terrorists? Let's call Mr. Bush! Don't even joke about that. The way British and US law are written, you could make a case for it. Too bad I'm not american or british then :) Do you think that matters? Ofc it matters. Norwegian government ain't that stupid they hand out citizens because USA tells em to do so..
Reinetor	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:35:00 - [454] Whatever the reasons for angst, DOS attacks and crashing the server is never "teh answer" ... While being renamed may be annoying, it is not a justification to ruin other people's play.
Pingping	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:37:00 - [455] I'm a fairly new player and I'd thought I'd chime in quickly on this subject. This is a game, please enjoy your stay in your virtual world. Some of us enjoy escaping into this virtual world on a temporary basis. When people start brining politics into this virtual world, it no longer becomes enjoyable. I'm sure a lot of people who play eve don't care about politics and don't want their playing experience ruined by real world events. If I wanted to be stressed out over real world events, I'd watch the nightly news. Another point, CCP owns the servers and you pay for the right to access them. Yes your a customer but CCP has every right to change anything they want on their servers to benfit themselves or the community. If you don't like this remember your a customer and you don't need to pay that monthly access charge.
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:38:00 - [456] You're assuming they would even ask. They didn't ask the Italians when they went in and kidnapped that suspected terrorist, and they nearly got 2 Italian agents killed because of it. "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Alberta	Posted - 2005.11.09 17:57:00 - [457] Originally by: Matthew RL is an appropriate forum for the expression of RL beliefs and politics. Eve is not an appropriate forum for it, so such considerations should be left at the door. Ok, leave RL beliefs and political considerations at the door... now tell me what 4S means and why using it as a corp name is wrong. Don't give me the "but they even admitted that is stands for what CCP are saying it stands for" line, they didn't advertise it, they were asked. If they were advertising the RL connections in game then you might have a point. To the best of my knowledge however, in game they were just plain and simple 4S and in no way was there an effort made to draw your line of thought in a particular direction regarding its meaning. My Thoughts on Game Balance
Raneru	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:00:00 - [458] As this is kind of a player driven event. Couldn't Concord respond my placing them as -10 sec status and pop their ships as they undock? (disclaimer: i havent read all 15 or so pages of reponses ;))
Spaja Saist	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:07:00 - [459] Originally by: YodaMasterJedi Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 16:18:16 Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 16:17:38 Originally by: Spaja Saist Well if it's any consolation a lot of 4S players were canceling their accounts anyway. And I personally blame CCP for this fiasco. Good Riddance ASSHATS!! Don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out. Pure scumbags, each and everyone of you!! Who on earth ever gave you the right to DOS CCP and cause our gameplay to be ruined?? Have you been under a rock. It hasn't been proven that 4S were responsible. Also your name is in violation of the EULA. I will be petitioning CCP directly.
super4lt	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:19:00 - [460] Im confused....wasnt SAS the ones doing ** in JITA? Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is**
zepter	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:25:00 - [461] 4s didn't crash the server.
Lyra VX	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:31:00 - [462] Let's assume, for a moment, that whoever wtfpwned Jita did it deliberately and intended to at least cause a lot of lag. Surely that constitutes an attack on the server and warrants a permanent ban for all involved?
YodaMasterJedi	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:31:00 - [463] Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 18:32:12 Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 18:31:22 Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: YodaMasterJedi Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 16:18:16 Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 09/11/2005 16:17:38 Originally by: Spaja Saist Well if it's any consolation a lot of 4S players were canceling their accounts anyway. And I personally blame CCP for this fiasco. Good Riddance ASSHATS!! Don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out. Pure scumbags, each and everyone of you!! Who on earth ever gave you the right to DOS CCP and cause our gameplay to be ruined?? Have you been under a rock. It hasn't been proven that 4S were responsible. Also your name is in violation of the EULA. I will be petitioning CCP directly. You Sir are incorrect. My name is YodaMasterJedi, the COPYRIGHTED NAME is "Jedi Master Yoda" Thank you for playing please drive through.
rig0r	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:40:00 - [464] Ban em all. Whatever the reason, this was just retarded.
Siri Danae	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:44:00 - [465] Edited by: Siri Danae on 09/11/2005 18:44:29 I think its time for this thread to be locked. Its turned into a tirade-filled flamefest that isn't suited for these forums. No new arguments have been made since page 10, its yet another example of online debate where the people-hiding-behind-anonymous-avatars on the one side attack the people-hiding-behind-anonymous-avatars on the other without coming close to developing a solution. At this point its in CCP's hands. They've given everyone a chance to voice their opinions (which you should be grateful for since its their forum and they could stifle debate if they so chose) and now is the time to stop attacking other players, stop rehashing virulent attacks on policies which we really only understand by their perceived effects and await a response. If suddenly they ask 10% of the corps in game to change their names, then you can get huffy. Until then lets not get overly worked up about one forty-eight hour period in EVE history. ------ I generally assume the following: 1. 95% of Empire Carebears don't get 0.0 PVPers. 2. 95% of 0.0 PVPers don't get Empire Carebears. 3. 100% of Ore Thieves steal just to upset the Miners.
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:46:00 - [466] Ah bollox to it. This account and a secondary account have now been cancelled. Can't see the point in paying for the Dev's beer, they don't deserve it. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:50:00 - [467] Originally by: super4lt Im confused....wasnt SAS the ones doing **** in JITA? No, I don't think so. I heard their plan was to protest by shooting down the police in a 0.4 or lower system. (Which is a slightly less against-the-EULA way of protesting) I wish there were more fun skills with Memory as primary. Poor Intaki combat people with low perception...
ElweSingollo	Posted - 2005.11.09 18:57:00 - [468] Originally by: Avon Ah bollox to it. This account and a secondary account have now been cancelled. Can't see the point in paying for the Dev's beer, they don't deserve it. Tbh though I disagree with your stance in relation to this incedent I can't say that I would like you to cancel your accounts over something like this that being said it is your perogative. In regards to nationalistic symbols I have a Scotland flag in my BIO a nationalistic symbol if CCP tell me to change it cause it violates the EULA I aint goin to cry about it I am proud of my background however at the end of the day Eve is just a game and a game where we do not make up the rules. If you do cancel your accounts Avon gl in whatever ventures take you fancy if not well we will maybe see you around. Maximum signature size exceeded. Maximum size is 400*120 and 24000 bytes. - Teblin <--- Oops been a bad boy :D
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:00:00 - [469] Thx for your kind words. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Seleene	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:01:00 - [470] Having met many of the Developers of this game and spoken to the CEO of CCP in person, I know that they are not mindless idiots and thier love for this game dominates thier lives. If this had been my corp, I would have been very **ed off, of course, but I would not lead my corp into a core empire system and dump shuttles, cans and drones all over the place, thus affecting over 50,000 people because of my personal anguish! I have no idea if 4S even attempted to compromise or work with CCP in any way. What I do know is that what they did last night is the same as hacking into a corp website and causing it to crash and burn. They intentionally attempted to make the game unplayable and that is a clear violation of the EULA. Any chance they might have had died last night. Shuttle Insanity OMFG 30 seconds for a screenshot! What has happened stinks, for damn sure, but I would never place my own corp's concerns above every other paying subscriber in EVE**! That's childish, immature and garners no sympathy from me whatsoever. TBH, CCP has said very little in the 30+ pages of threads on the forums so far because almost anything they say right now can be twisted against them. I recently had this happen to me personally, so I can understand thier silence for the moment. They have to be very careful about what they say next. In the end, I don't agree with the actions of either side. CCP could have handled this better, but so could 4S as well. This entire incident reminds me of how Jade Constantine got banned. He couldn't just let the dust settle. He had to start a CRUSADE to "FREE JADE" and the publicity and insanity of it pushed the Devs into a spot where they could not unban him even if they wanted to. 4S's actions have caused a similar effect. They burned thier bridges last night. No matter what, there is NO WAY that CCP can back down now without opening the doors to any number of issues. Think about it without emotion for a few minutes, guys. Seriously. - 'You have foolishly engaged the MC in Empire space. Prepare to suffer the consequences!'
dabster	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:07:00 - [471] Seleene they did try to communicate with CCP, and guess what - it took the 'jita event' to get proper communication going. Was a bit funny though tbh how they started banning people that didnt even drop shuttles ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:09:00 - [472] Originally by: dabster Seleene they did try to communicate with CCP, and guess what - it took the 'jita event' to get proper communication going. Was a bit funny though tbh how they started banning people that didnt even drop shuttles I hope that's not true because if it is then it just further crystalises why I am rapidly losing faith at the moment. Eve Blacklight Style
babyblue	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:10:00 - [473] Originally by: Sc0rpion Was it a "mistake" when the SAS was implicated in the bombing of the Qala-i-Janghi detention facility in November 2001, killing 448 prisoners of war? Sorry to shatter your illusions, but the SAS is every bit as dirty as every other military force that has ever existed. Have you been reading anti-US/British websites again? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU IT'S JUST PROPAGANDA . Put it this way: I trust our media slightly more than I trust some lunatic Islamic Fundamentalist website when it comes to telling the truth. I can never know what the truth is, because I was not present so to an extent I always have to trust in those who bring me the story - usually, the BBC give me relatively unbiased news. The exception to this is Fox, but thats a different story. I didn't say the SAS were not dirty - they are trained killers and indeed some of the best in the World at this. But I DO NOT believe that the SAS would massacre innocent people in the name of Politics, Race or Religion. That is the crux of this issue and something you have happily ignored.
Geralt Rivia	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:11:00 - [474] Originally by: Seleene Having met many of the Developers of this game and spoken to the CEO of CCP in person, I know that they are not mindless idiots and thier love for this game dominates thier lives. If this had been my corp, I would have been very **ed off, of course, but I would not lead my corp into a core empire system and dump shuttles, cans and drones all over the place, thus affecting over 50,000 people because of my personal anguish! I have no idea if 4S even attempted to compromise or work with CCP in any way. What I do know is that what they did last night is the same as hacking into a corp website and causing it to crash and burn. They intentionally attempted to make the game unplayable and that is a clear violation of the EULA. Any chance they might have had died last night. Shuttle Insanity OMFG 30 seconds for a screenshot! What has happened stinks, for damn sure, but I would never place my own corp's concerns above every other paying subscriber in EVE**! That's childish, immature and garners no sympathy from me whatsoever. TBH, CCP has said very little in the 30+ pages of threads on the forums so far because almost anything they say right now can be twisted against them. I recently had this happen to me personally, so I can understand thier silence for the moment. They have to be very careful about what they say next. In the end, I don't agree with the actions of either side. CCP could have handled this better, but so could 4S as well. This entire incident reminds me of how Jade Constantine got banned. He couldn't just let the dust settle. He had to start a CRUSADE to "FREE JADE" and the publicity and insanity of it pushed the Devs into a spot where they could not unban him even if they wanted to. 4S's actions have caused a similar effect. They burned thier bridges last night. No matter what, there is NO WAY that CCP can back down now without opening the doors to any number of issues. Think about it without emotion for a few minutes, guys. Seriously. huh?? How did 4S affect all paying subscribers?
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:14:00 - [475] Quote: Having met many of the Developers of this game and spoken to the CEO of CCP in person, I know that they are not mindless idiots and thier love for this game dominates thier lives. Of course they're not, but for the moment, they're not making a good job not showing it. Furthermore, that's the problem with meeting people RL, once they are at fault, your natural instict is to sympathise with them. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Matthew	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:15:00 - [476] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: dabster Seleene they did try to communicate with CCP, and guess what - it took the 'jita event' to get proper communication going. Was a bit funny though tbh how they started banning people that didnt even drop shuttles I hope that's not true because if it is then it just further crystalises why I am rapidly losing faith at the moment. There was a lot of unpleasantness going down in Jita at that point. Dropping the shuttles is certainly not the only behaviour I witnessed that would warrant some level of ban. You can do anything. But you can't do everything.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:16:00 - [477] Originally by: Matthew There was a lot of unpleasantness going down in Jita at that point. Dropping the shuttles is certainly not the only behaviour I witnessed that would warrant some level of ban. Are you sure your not Oveurs alt Matty? - Just a simple warrior.
Space Chutney	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:20:00 - [478] Whilst I don't agree with how CCP dealt with the situation (One person > Corporation?!) You people who have terminated your accounts are really pathetic, you rave and shout about EVE and CCP when they do something right but oh noes the second they do something not in your favour that may not even have effected you, you go on about how your quiting. Grow up it's a game.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:22:00 - [479] Originally by: Geralt Rivia Originally by: Seleene snip huh?? How did 4S affect all paying subscribers? That, my friend, is a stupid question. In case you still don't know: They seem to be at least partly responsible for bringing the server down for a couple of hours. I wouldn't know for sure, but i think it affects pretty much everyone playing EVE. Save Darwinia!
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.09 19:24:00 - [480] Originally by: Space Chutney Edited by: Space Chutney on 09/11/2005 19:20:28 Whilst I don't agree with how CCP dealt with the situation (One person > Corporation?!) You people who have terminated your accounts are really pathetic, you rave and shout about EVE and CCP when they do something right but oh noes the second they do something not in your favour that may not even have effected you, you go on about how your quiting. Grow up it's a game. Meh, it's a name change, could be worse they could all of been banned. It's called principles. I am not cancelling in support of 4S, but in protest over CCP. It is a subtle but important difference. If I was in a pub and a group of people where acting in the same way, I would not buy them a drink, nor would I accept a drink from them. I would find another pub. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur

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