You're arguing semantics which have no bearing on the discussion. More obfuscation, have an indefensible point of view argue semantic technicalities to avoid the inescapable truth that you're wrong even if that argument is the reverse of what you were originally trying to prove - ie its not 100% certain your ship is an expense because they dont always die.

So... CONCORD is not a certainty of death?

Huh, I've been doing this all wrong then. :P

All snark aside, you are 100% guaranteed to lose your ship to CONCORD the moment you commit that particular criminal act in highsec. This is a risk/loss you are prepared to take by suicide ganking, that's why it's called suicide.

Working the smart way to mitigate the losses, is simply good gameplay.

I was replying to Tippia who said its not always guaranteed.

@Infinity

I've been reading as much as I can, but I want to know this because I haven't seen you post about it:

What exactly do you want CCP to do about this?

Nothing. Im just making observations about ganking being too easy, profitable and risk free.

Where a stupidly rich cargo gets ganked because people put in some effort and won the lotto for that. Currently jump freighters and freighters are being ganked by 30 dessies for less profit per hour than they could make in L4s solo.

Even though they gank these lootless ships for giggles they still admit to making trillions for expenditures of half a billion. No one should be making trillions in high sec risk free like this.

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm. You're pretty much identical to the risk averse hi-sec miner except your profit is much higher. The miner has to worry about ganks and performs some effort. You bump a freighter and click a button once or twice.

If high sec pvers were as risk free and profitable as you, you guys would be screaming like little girls for CCP to nerf them. It benefits you, so you defend it. Thats pretty much the facts.

I <3 you.

Not being sarcastic. I've had enough of the machismo-can't-be-tough-irl-so-gotta-be-tough-on-a-videogame attitude that seems to permeate the EvE elite community.

Well, it's more of an illusory self-projection, but hey, some people need something to feel good about. Sometimes it's "winning" (lol Charlie) over someone else in a spaceship lasers game.

Nauseating at times. Thank you for a dose of fresh air.

Nothing. Im just making observations about ganking being too easy, profitable and risk free. I would like to see it revert back to old style. Where a stupidly rich cargo gets ganked because people put in some effort and won the lotto for that. Currently jump freighters and freighters are being ganked by 30 dessies for less profit per hour than they could make in L4s solo.

Even though they gank these lootless ships for giggles they still admit to making trillions for expenditures of half a billion. No one should be making trillions in high sec risk free like this.

There maybe a very remote possibility the bumpers may both lose connection at the same time on the off chance someone messed up and the ship didn't pop initially and reshipping is required but thats stretching things a little far.

As the person who caused this and many other highsec-related tempests in a teapot, I am both thrilled and dismayed at the lack of understanding displayed in this thread. Even more shocking is the fact that there are just so many damned pages of it.

Thank you. Thank all of you.

As the person who caused this and many other highsec-related tempests in a teapot, I am both thrilled and dismayed at the lack of understanding displayed in this thread. Even more shocking is the fact that there are just so many damned pages of it.

Thank you. Thank all of you.

Details? I'd love to hear the "not whining" side of things.

"When confronted with their powerlessness, many noobs will attempt an attack on your real life, frequently insinuating that are a pathetic nerd irl. A special favorite of the noob is to question your sexuality, in particular to claim that you are a virgin, and that 'no real woman' would touch you voluntarily. Another popular tactic is to claim that you are/were helpless against physical abuse, and that you take out your frustrations on the innocent in game."


I took that off of a post in the (forgive me) WoW forums. You can replace "noob" with "carebear" and it applies to EVE easily. Aside from calling them all virgins, you pretty much nailed it.

I'd argue, that the kind of person you have to be to derive solace from imagining that someone who defeated you in a video game is actually a pathetic loser irl, would be the kind of person who isn't "winning!" irl themselves.

This is a player created problem. Were it not the tendency of people to load their freighters up with enough stuff to make it profitable, this would not happen.

There is truth in the silly machismo stuff. I have ganked people. Suicided barges. Undocked disco battleship in Jita. Really the only thing I enjoy doing in EvE now is often called griefing. Thing is I do it for my own pleasure not to "harvest tears" or any of the childish prattle that comes from most gankers and or people who seem to want to superimpose their in game actions onto their out of game personality.

That does smack of desperation and a low self esteem.

Let me put it this way:

Ganking a freighter is -by no means- easy. Anyone who truthfully says otherwise has not done what I do. Jump freighters are even harder.

Protecting a freighter is incredibly easy. Jump freighters are even easier to protect, for reasons listed in this hilarious thread, and others.

In short, if you were to place the physical representation of the minuscule amount of effort it requires to protect your gigantic beast of a hauler on one end of a seesaw, then drop the Titanic-equivalent amount of effort it takes to actually coordinate and execute a gank on the other end, it would provide that little speck with enough velocity to escape the Earth's atmosphere.

As to ISK discussions and suggestions about what kind of people gank fools, that can fall to people who care about that kind of thing.

Let me put it this way:

Ganking a freighter is -by no means- easy. Anyone who truthfully says otherwise has not done what I do. Jump freighters are even harder.

Protecting a freighter is incredibly easy. Jump freighters are even easier to protect, for reasons listed in this hilarious thread, and others.

In short, if you were to place the physical representation of the minuscule amount of effort it requires to protect your gigantic beast of a hauler on one end of a seesaw, then drop the Titanic-equivalent amount of effort it takes to actually coordinate and execute a gank on the other end, it would provide that little speck with enough velocity to escape the Earth's atmosphere.

As to ISK discussions and suggestions about what kind of people gank fools, that can fall to people who care about that kind of thing.

Ganking a freighter with 5 guys is so easy.
Even i could do it with just 1.
Suicide ganking is harder.
thou you can try getting 5 faction fitted talos(or 3 faction fitted vindicators) and just gank the first afk autopilot freighter.

But hey, if we can use mittani as 3rd party, i'm willing to bet. It just that i don't trust Chribba :roll: :badtroll:

Never heard of mittani, one of your scamming alts?

Regardless of other discussions, I actually think the cost (ISK wise) between a freighter (without cargo) and the ships/equipment you have to buy to suicide gank one is a tad disproportional in favor of the ganker. For industrial and transport ships it feels much better.

Not that I have any hope of any changes in that regard. HTFU and all that jazz.

its not about the loss of money....


and i don-¦t want a discussion about these...

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players


If you buy a ship to transport things from A to B,
but you can-¦t do this while you where killed, also without cargo(see goon kills),
then something goes wrong, hopefully you will understand this