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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
459
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:04:00 -
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The real question that isn't being asked is; Why is your Jump Freighter in Highsec. They cost so much even an empty one is a good target. |

Thar Saal
Sorry About Your Face Catastrophic Uprising
26
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Thar Saal wrote:I apologize, I normally keep a pocket dictionary up my ass and forgot to un-wedge for that specfic rant. Is it pressing on your sense of humour? Or just your brain?
The only thing slightly amusing in this thread was the sentiments of Ace. I wasent concerned with other users attempts at comedy |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
542
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:09:00 -
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Thar Saal wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Thar Saal wrote:I apologize, I normally keep a pocket dictionary up my ass and forgot to un-wedge for that specfic rant. Is it pressing on your sense of humour? Or just your brain? The only thing slightly amusing in this thread was the sentiments of Ace. I wasent concerned with other users attempts at comedy
So... on your brain then lol
Go cry about not being able to take a joke elsewhere then
I hear S2N need all the tears they can get
" Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Thar Saal
Sorry About Your Face Catastrophic Uprising
26
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:13:00 -
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I would have hoped someone sharing in the same line of thought regarding the topic wouldn't end up being as disappointingly typical. I'd say something mean, but I have no reason to lower myself. |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
157
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:14:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Johan Toralen wrote:Everytime i see a thread of "old, faithful" player rage quitting over some noob mistake my gut feeling tells me: ebay char. Its a noob mistake to undock a jump freighter? Are they just for spinning in station. Players killing ships in high for no other reason but other than padding their terribly fragile egos is not good for EvE. Killing people is fine, even if its just to **** them off but when it gets to the point they can kill any ship without loss or with negligible loss it becomes a problem of balance that needs addressing. How is autoing an undefended Jump Frieghter in High Sec without a jump--out and carrying a high value cargo not a noob mistake? They likely would have killed it just for the lulz. A billion in isotopes is not a valuable cargo. Do the math how much profit did they make? Is this better? "How is autoing an undefended Jump Frieghter in High Sec without a jump--out not a noob mistake?" The OP stated his cargo was valuable to him, but whatever Still doesn't change the fact that risking a multi-billion Isk ship without the barest of precautions is a noob mistake EDIT: Now, I may be putting words into your mouth but... are you suggesting that only ships WITH high value cargos should be allowed to be attacked? I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship. Being able to kill freighters and other high value targets in high sec in seconds, with a bunch of low skilled alts for giggles devalues EvE. Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
542
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:14:00 -
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Good comeback, Garth " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
542
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:16:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship. Being able to kill freighters and other high value targets in high sec in seconds, with a bunch of low skilled alts for giggles devalues EvE. Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.
Oh I seeee
It should be easy for one group of players and not another
Got it
" Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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baltec1
Bat Country
7128
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:17:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Johan Toralen wrote:Everytime i see a thread of "old, faithful" player rage quitting over some noob mistake my gut feeling tells me: ebay char. Its a noob mistake to undock a jump freighter? Are they just for spinning in station. Players killing ships in high for no other reason but other than padding their terribly fragile egos is not good for EvE. Killing people is fine, even if its just to **** them off but when it gets to the point they can kill any ship without loss or with negligible loss it becomes a problem of balance that needs addressing. How is autoing an undefended Jump Frieghter in High Sec without a jump--out and carrying a high value cargo not a noob mistake? They likely would have killed it just for the lulz. A billion in isotopes is not a valuable cargo. Do the math how much profit did they make?
Confiming we have spent over 500 billion on ganking freights just for the "lulz" and not the 4 trillion in cargo over the last year. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
919
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:20:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Johan Toralen wrote:Everytime i see a thread of "old, faithful" player rage quitting over some noob mistake my gut feeling tells me: ebay char. Its a noob mistake to undock a jump freighter? Are they just for spinning in station. Players killing ships in high for no other reason but other than padding their terribly fragile egos is not good for EvE. Killing people is fine, even if its just to **** them off but when it gets to the point they can kill any ship without loss or with negligible loss it becomes a problem of balance that needs addressing.
Killing in game characters is fine, killing "people" is not fine at all.
Now about main concern, Freighters are awesome tools and of course they need some tweaks, we're not any longer at that previous period of escorting carriers etc because :jump freighter: then you have high sec mechanics not really helping fleet cooperation to counter these ganks without adding exponential costs for something that shouldn't be an issue in the first place.
And how can this not be an issue in the first place?
Easy, already posted some easy choices players can do to avoid ganks, whenever someone chooses to put him self in danger he must assume the consequences for that choice and not get all butt hurt on others for his own silliness.
A simple Orca can align/warp in about 10sec without much effort or implants/webs, gets easily over 250kEHP without links or simple fleet booster skilled, implants and whatnot. Why do people feel just because a freighter can haul 1M M3 of stuff they should not account value of that cargo and take all required precautions to avoid ganks or at least make it so it's not profitable? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
360
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:22:00 -
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Quote:I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship
That ship is a niche, non combat ship. It cannot defend itself. What you are asking for is immunity from the actions of others because you have chosen to vastly increase risks to yourself through stupidity. That will never, ever happen.
Quote:Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.
So... we should remove the pricetag from wardecs?  Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Thar Saal
Sorry About Your Face Catastrophic Uprising
28
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:22:00 -
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For 3.5 trillion profit reaped from those such as the op, I can see how lucrative it must be for a entire corp to demean itself in such a way. If the defending party wasent so insufferable, then i could partially frown upon acts like that. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
543
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:25:00 -
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Thar Saal wrote: partially frown.
Do you smell toast? " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Thar Saal
Sorry About Your Face Catastrophic Uprising
28
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:27:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Thar Saal wrote: partially frown. Do you smell toast?
perhaps some is being made in my manor. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
543
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:29:00 -
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Thar Saal wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Thar Saal wrote: partially frown. Do you smell toast? perhaps some is being made in my manor.
*hug*
See, I knew you were a good egg  " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
161
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:31:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears.
lol, true.
That thread has something almost philosophical.
There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely.
It's hilarious, really.  There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

baltec1
Bat Country
7130
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:49:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears. lol, true. That thread has something almost philosophical. There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely. It's hilarious, really. 
Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
919
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears. lol, true. That thread has something almost philosophical. There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely. It's hilarious, really.  Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right.
High sec doesn't matter anyway therefore no problem or issue to solve.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
161
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears. lol, true. That thread has something almost philosophical. There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely. It's hilarious, really.  Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right.
Well, in that case it's the "near pimpossible" I'd focus my attention on, because it means they can still becaught.  There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
578
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:08:00 -
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Eve, a harsh universe of crime and punishment. Says so on the box.
If you are mad, go out and punish them.
Contrary to common nub belief, there is no ponies in space. |

baltec1
Bat Country
7130
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:09:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:baltec1 wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears. lol, true. That thread has something almost philosophical. There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely. It's hilarious, really.  Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right. High sec doesn't matter anyway therefore no problem or issue to solve. Oh theres no issue, although I still don't know why CCP made them unscannable. We have plenty of bads who transport billions in untanked iterons. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
157
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship. Being able to kill freighters and other high value targets in high sec in seconds, with a bunch of low skilled alts for giggles devalues EvE. Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.
Oh I seeee It should be easy for one group of players and not another Got it Should be easy for no one. |

GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:17:00 -
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receipe to avoid disaster, needs to be same corp
Condor (race to flavor) High: what ever med: 1mn mwd web II x 2 cap reg low: nanofiber
after gate. commence align/warp freighter order frigate to orbit 2.5, target freighter, activate mwd to close the distance to freighter, under 10km, both webs. freighter insta-warp. shut the gate, the horse has bolted.
by the time the slow warp freighter reaches the next gate, the companion frigate's 60 second global has expired.
repeat as required. |

0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:22:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Eve, a harsh universe of crime and punishment. Says so on the box.
If you are mad, go out and punish them.
Contrary to common nub belief, there is no ponies in space.
Eve was a harsh universe untill the last miner barge HP buff, now it's just a world of war crack clone. The miner buff was an IQ dumb down enougth. Eve would trully die if they buffed freighter HP or made ganking any harder. |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
157
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship That ship is a niche, non combat ship. It cannot defend itself. What you are asking for is immunity from the actions of others because you have chosen to vastly increase risks to yourself through stupidity. That will never, ever happen. Quote:Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free. So... we should remove the pricetag from wardecs?  Im making an observation nothing more. Dont fly indy ships.
And no the pricetag for ganking should be increased in terms of risk / cost. |

Anna Djan
Banana Corp
20
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:25:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Miilla wrote:Eve, a harsh universe of crime and punishment. Says so on the box.
If you are mad, go out and punish them.
Contrary to common nub belief, there is no ponies in space. Eve was a harsh universe untill the last miner barge HP buff, now it's just a world of war crack clone. The miner buff was an IQ dumb down enougth. Eve would trully die if they buffed freighter HP or made ganking any harder.
Stop being so dramatic, you attention seeking ***** :) |

baltec1
Bat Country
7131
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Should be easy for no one.
Its much harder to set up a freighter gank than to make a freighter safe and requires at least 17 more people for the gank. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
161
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Oh theres no issue, although I still don't know why CCP made them unscannable. We have plenty of bads who transport billions in untanked iterons.
That really is a wee bit strange, I never understood why they did that.
I could have understood it if they had turned it into some kinde of Scan strength versus Scan shield systems mechanic, but that completely unscannable thingy is just strange... There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
238
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:32:00 -
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Every. Single. Post.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
361
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:34:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship That ship is a niche, non combat ship. It cannot defend itself. What you are asking for is immunity from the actions of others because you have chosen to vastly increase risks to yourself through stupidity. That will never, ever happen. Quote:Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free. So... we should remove the pricetag from wardecs?  Im making an observation nothing more. Dont fly indy ships. And no the pricetag for ganking should be increased in terms of risk / cost.
Thing is, how do you increase the risk/cost of ganking?
You can't just make catalysts more expensive. They'd just to move to something else. They already removed insurance payouts if you get killed by CONCORD.
They have already been making it harder and more expensive for years. Nerf after nerf.
But apparently it's never enough. It's always one more little bit here, one more little bit there. The kind of people who whine about getting ganked are the people who really do want to have immunity. Those people are wrong, and whether they know it or not, those people are bad for the game.
That is why people jump down their throats on the forums, that is why people laugh at them for their losses. So yeah, to hell with those people. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10492
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:38:00 -
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Elder TheRock wrote:NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons
Cargovalue: 1.2 bil
CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!
I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....
and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"
It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....
we will quit now....
THANKYOU CCP Regards Tom
Well this is incredible because it's only a couple of weeks since I was told that no one loses JFs ever
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