Or rethink our skill system, because what's the point in leveling these skills, when a 2 week player can destroy what took 3+ months to skill for?

Even WoW rewards hard work better than this.

Put the time in = earned your rewards.

Nice try but hitting a freighter with light missiles, or even med guns is a certainty.

And the ship popping and not getting concordekened is a moot point.

All threads like these show, and for that matter people like Ace demonstrate is that playing the game in a manor that allows for such negligence and carelessness has softened those players to a point where any threat or risk that can hurt their little lively hoods can't be dealt with using the mentality they've grown.

If you can't take the steps to defend yourself in such a hostile environment; around hostile people who are all looking to hurt you, then you deserve whatever losses occur. now post that bullshit kumbaya video nonsense crap to me so i can laugh in your face a second time.

excuse me, there are other crying threads which need my attention

I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship. Being able to kill freighters and other high value targets in high sec in seconds, with a bunch of low skilled alts for giggles devalues EvE. Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.

Eve was a harsh universe untill the last miner barge HP buff, now it's just a world of war crack clone. The miner buff was an IQ dumb down enougth. Eve would trully die if they buffed freighter HP or made ganking any harder.

OP hasn't lost skills though?

Should have backup 2bil for buying replacement JF if ganked before he disembarks it from a station.

It's not about losing skills, it's about if you trained enough to fly such ships and all associated to fly them, it should reward the benefits for doing so.

Otherwise, why even level to be a freighter pilot?

And if that's so, there's fewer freighters to gank.

Cause and Effect.

Last time players did this with miners, the mining ships were buffed and changed for the better. Want to do the same with freighters?

Nevermind, it's a Goonie project to change EvE into PvE paradise.

Put another way: the moment you say GÇ£ganking is risk freeGÇ¥ you disqualify yourself from discussing ganking because you don't understand any of the involved mechanics or concepts.

This simple fact is further bolstered by the other fact that freighters are not dying by the droves.

OP hasn't lost skills though?

Should have backup 2bil for buying replacement JF if ganked before he disembarks it from a station.

NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....

"When confronted with their powerlessness, many noobs will attempt an attack on your real life, frequently insinuating that are a pathetic nerd irl. A special favorite of the noob is to question your sexuality, in particular to claim that you are a virgin, and that 'no real woman' would touch you voluntarily. Another popular tactic is to claim that you are/were helpless against physical abuse, and that you take out your frustrations on the innocent in game."


I took that off of a post in the (forgive me) WoW forums. You can replace "noob" with "carebear" and it applies to EVE easily. Aside from calling them all virgins, you pretty much nailed it.

I'd argue, that the kind of person you have to be to derive solace from imagining that someone who defeated you in a video game is actually a pathetic loser irl, would be the kind of person who isn't "winning!" irl themselves.

of course you get a benefit, the benefit of being able to sit in a freighter and move piles of **** around the galaxy. it doesnt grant you invulnerability

2 BIL will barely buy you a freighter, it wont touch a Jump freighter

But it doesn't justify the skill time when it's too easy for someone with less skills to destroy that freighter.

Now if the guy who downs the freighter is equally skilled, no argument. As both chose different "careers" and one was industry and the other combat.

But not for some 30 day wonder doing it.

But it doesn't justify the skill time when it's too easy for someone with less skills to destroy that freighter.

Now if the guy who downs the freighter is equally skilled, no argument. As both chose different "careers" and one was industry and the other combat.

But not for some 30 day wonder doing it.

Using the freighter explosion in this thread it took 29 destroyers and someone in what was presumably a newbie frigate to take him down. Assuming that the destroyer pilots where flying T2 fit Catalysts (they're Goons, money isn't a problem) then we're looking at a skill training time investment of 667 days (29*23) on the part of the gankers, vs a skill training time of 90 days on the part of the freighter pilot.

The few pilots I looked up use meta 0 fits for the cats, T2 for the brutii

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20006665

Given enough people you can gank anything for free.

But it doesn't justify the skill time when it's too easy for someone with less skills to destroy that freighter.

Now if the guy who downs the freighter is equally skilled, no argument. As both chose different "careers" and one was industry and the other combat.

But not for some 30 day wonder doing it.

You are not planning a gank fleet made out of free noob ship right?

It would take hundreds

it would only take 10 velators with all t1 named mods with 2 aggressors and a machariel pilot that smokes crack since he would have to bump him 23 hrs

the whole miniluv ganking needs a ton of preparations and metagaming (buying+fitting+transport ships to target systems, get enough people to fly those ships,coordinate (broadcasts and voicecomms) them so that they fire simultaniously etc.
people doing this deserve a reward

a normal propper gank i agree deserves a reward but i dont care how much time you put into abusing a game mechanic it dosent deserve a reward. thats like saying a bot designer deserves a reward because he spent a lot of time making a bot. Its not working as intended