CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!m

Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears.

its not about the loss of money....


and i don-¦t want a discussion about these...

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players


If you buy a ship to transport things from A to B,
but you can-¦t do this while you where killed, also without cargo(see goon kills),
then something goes wrong, hopefully you will understand this

its not about the loss of money....

and i don-¦t want a discussion about these...

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players

If you buy a ship to transport things from A to B, but you can-¦t do this while you where killed, also without cargo(see goon kills),
then something goes wrong

and i don-¦t want a discussion about these...

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players


If you buy a ship to transport things from A to B,
but you can-¦t do this while you where killed, also without cargo(see goon kills),
then something goes wrong, hopefully you will understand this

...no words...your post is the best answer what happens with eve...

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jump_Drive_Operation

CCP has started funding my CCP approved Eve training class.

I stand behind you with a 2x4 while you play eve, every time you do something stupid I hit you with it

NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!

You had a billion isk worth of topes along with other things. It wasn't empty.

Is this him? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18513144

What was in the plastic wrap? Did he double wrap his package or was it just a plain courier package?

Wait wait wait

Jump

Freighter





Jump




Freighter



Why U not jump away?

Can't light cyno in hisec. Pubbies be all scared of lowsec and ****.

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players

While I have yet to lose a jump freighter, I have lost freighters before.

I feel for people that get bumped of a gate and destroyed.

Not because it's a bad or unneeded mechanic. Quite the contrary. Stupid bump mechanics aside, it is a legitimate use of asset denial or acquisition.

No. What I hate is the inevitability of the whole thing. You know you are going to lose your ship, but you know also that you will have a long time to enjoy watching the destruction as you are slowly whittled down by a bunch of annoying little ships that are only just barely DPSing you beyond your regen rate. It might take a hour before the final blow.

It's just a painful experience.

Mr Epeen

What's a faithful player anyway?

Amarr.

NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom

you cant really miss a great big group of gankers in a system tbh.

You wouldn't think so, but :autopilot:

For an older player you should have known this.

It would enhance the challenge in dropping one... that is, unless gankers of this nature like easy kills...

Jump Freighter Ganking - CCP what you will do against this???

That's a LOT of nandos.

Jump freighters have crazy EHP with the relevant skills maxed, like 450,000 or something. That's a LOT of nados.

Just train the skill properly and dont fly with JF1 and no tank skills at all.

I remember when I was last ganked by a freighter



I was flying a carrier and a freighter pushed me into the sun



bastids

I like the sound you make when your lips are pressed tightly together.

whut

That was either a kidnapping or forcible sex joke...or he was trying to come up with a witty way to tell you to stfu, and failing miserably. vOv

this happened to me in low sec (0.4) no biggie, but why didn't I get kill rights? or her a red flag? Concord never came and she just went on her merry way, leaving me in my pod. explain please?

Uhhhhh...what?

this happened to me in low sec (0.4) no biggie, but why didn't I get kill rights? or her a red flag? Concord never came and she just went on her merry way, leaving me in my pod. explain please?

2013.06.30 04:24:00

Victim: Ray Morrison
Corp: Center for Advanced Studies
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Mammoth
System: Erstet
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 2795

Involved parties:

Name: Mrs Lemba (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.60
Corp: Dark Knight Legion
Alliance: The Hydra Confederacy
Faction: None
Ship: Tengu
Weapon: Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Damage Done: 2795

Destroyed items:

lots (lol)

Dropped items:

Lots (lol)

NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom

You mean this? Is this a real question or are you being sarcastic?

question, why didn't I get Kill rights? that's all , Hey I was dumb and fly a big slow thing filled with stuff in low sec, my mistake, but just trying to figure out why concord didn't give me kill rights that's all

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players

Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.

Or rethink our skill system, because what's the point in leveling these skills, when a 2 week player can destroy what took 3+ months to skill for?

Even WoW rewards hard work better than this.

Put the time in = earned your rewards.

Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.

Nothing wrong with the skill system or being able to destroy something worth 7 billion with something worth 500 million.

Killing jump freighters is just easy without an escort or any thought put into it by the owner.

Everytime i see a thread of "old, faithful" player rage quitting over some noob mistake my gut feeling tells me: ebay char.

Fixed that for you

Its a noob mistake to undock a jump freighter? Are they just for spinning in station. Players killing ships in high for no other reason but other than padding their terribly fragile egos is not good for EvE. Killing people is fine, even if its just to **** them off but when it gets to the point they can kill any ship without loss or with negligible loss it becomes a problem of balance that needs addressing.

And fixed it for you, too.

How is autoing an undefended Jump Frieghter in High Sec without a jump--out and carrying a high value cargo not a noob mistake?

They likely would have killed it just for the lulz. A billion in isotopes is not a valuable cargo. Do the math how much profit did they make?

playing the game in a manor

I wish I was playing the game in a manor



This would be the manor I would choose;





http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01528/manor-house_1528936c.jpg

I apologize, I normally keep a pocket dictionary up my ass and forgot to un-wedge for that specfic rant.

Is it pressing on your sense of humour?



Or just your brain?

The only thing slightly amusing in this thread was the sentiments of Ace. I wasent concerned with other users attempts at comedy

Is this better?


"How is autoing an undefended Jump Frieghter in High Sec without a jump--out not a noob mistake?"

The OP stated his cargo was valuable to him, but whatever



Still doesn't change the fact that risking a multi-billion Isk ship without the barest of precautions is a noob mistake

EDIT: Now, I may be putting words into your mouth but... are you suggesting that only ships WITH high value cargos should be allowed to be attacked?

I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship. Being able to kill freighters and other high value targets in high sec in seconds, with a bunch of low skilled alts for giggles devalues EvE. Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.

They likely would have killed it just for the lulz. A billion in isotopes is not a valuable cargo. Do the math how much profit did they make?

Its a noob mistake to undock a jump freighter? Are they just for spinning in station. Players killing ships in high for no other reason but other than padding their terribly fragile egos is not good for EvE. Killing people is fine, even if its just to **** them off but when it gets to the point they can kill any ship without loss or with negligible loss it becomes a problem of balance that needs addressing.

I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship

Why put in effort and pay 50 - 500 mill wardecs to hunt targets, or pirate in low or null and hunt targets and in turn be hunted when you can just sit safely and immune in high ganking multi billion isk freighters / jump freighters risk free.

partially frown.

Do you smell toast?

perhaps some is being made in my manor.

Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears.

lol, true.

That thread has something almost philosophical.

There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely.

It's hilarious, really.

Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right.

Well to be fair a blockade runner is damn near impossible to catch in high sec if you do it right.

High sec doesn't matter anyway therefore no problem or issue to solve.

Oh I seeee


It should be easy for one group of players and not another


Got it

Eve, a harsh universe of crime and punishment. Says so on the box.


If you are mad, go out and punish them.



Contrary to common nub belief, there is no ponies in space.

That ship is a niche, non combat ship. It cannot defend itself. What you are asking for is immunity from the actions of others because you have chosen to vastly increase risks to yourself through stupidity. That will never, ever happen.



So... we should remove the pricetag from wardecs?

Eve was a harsh universe untill the last miner barge HP buff, now it's just a world of war crack clone. The miner buff was an IQ dumb down enougth. Eve would trully die if they buffed freighter HP or made ganking any harder.

Should be easy for no one.

Oh theres no issue, although I still don't know why CCP made them unscannable. We have plenty of bads who transport billions in untanked iterons.

WoW.

Im making an observation nothing more. Dont fly indy ships.

And no the pricetag for ganking should be increased in terms of risk / cost.

NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom

Every. Single. Post.

Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.

I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship.

Thing is, how do you increase the risk/cost of ganking?

Nah. The thing is, why should you increase the risk/cost of ganking? The rest is much the same, though. In the end, it's the victims that determine the risks and costs, and if they think they are too low, they should try to raise them rather than complain about how their actions have made it GÇ£too easyGÇ¥ to gank them.

Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.

Should be easy for no one.

Its much harder to set up a freighter gank than to make a freighter safe and requires at least 17 more people for the gank.

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm. You're pretty much identical to the risk averse hi-sec miner except your profit is much higher. The miner has to worry about ganks and performs some effort. You bump a freighter and click a button once or twice.

If high sec pvers were as risk free and profitable as you, you guys would be screaming like little girls for CCP to nerf them. It benefits you, so you defend it. Thats pretty much the facts.

I would still personally like to see the Empires react to ganking in their space, people should get some kind of Faction hit for criminal acts with Empire space. It's like you can run around Caldari space causing hell and the State just goes "Oh well CONCORD will sort it out... no need for us to get annoyed he's ruining our trade routes"

Having Faction standing losses added would for me add more feel that the Empires are meaningful as well as another barrier against what has become a far too easy and common profession within EVE.

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm.

You mean players shouldn't be allowed to make it easy for others to gank them?

So if I jump a completely untanked carrier into a fight with no exit cyno, no smartbomb, no neut, it shouldn't be any easier to kill than a carrier with faction tank, 2 exits, etc.?

Your analogy doesn't work. Its just obfuscation.

I would still personally like to see the Empires react to ganking in their space, people should get some kind of Faction hit for criminal acts with Empire space. It's like you can run around Caldari space causing hell and the State just goes "Oh well CONCORD will sort it out... no need for us to get annoyed he's ruining our trade routes"

Uhh, but this kind of PvP has been going on for all those years, and hasn't stopped the growth at all. So which is it?

Sorry for your troubles, but EVE has clawed and scraped its way into being the game it is today precisely BECAUSE it has not caved to the status quo and made PvP a watered-down, roped-off, optional afterthought but kept it as an integral part of everything that happens in the game.

You are never safe. Your ship is never safe. Your pod is never safe. Your cargo is never safe.

These are the facts that make EVE special, and if EVE ceases to be special it will simply cease to be. Don't fit, haul or pilot what you can't afford to watch go down in flames (or up in smoke).

If 1.2B is really quit-worthy after 8 years then I'm sorry. You should manage your budget more carefully.



Tearsvalue: priceless

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm. You're pretty much identical to the risk averse hi-sec miner except your profit is much higher. The miner has to worry about ganks and performs some effort. You bump a freighter and click a button once or twice.

If high sec pvers were as risk free and profitable as you, you guys would be screaming like little girls for CCP to nerf them. It benefits you, so you defend it. Thats pretty much the facts.

Oh andGǪHistorical lesson #1: Don't ever try to copy or emulate WoW GÇö it inevitably leads to failure and ruin.

Fun fact. You can gank our t2 brutix and make a profit. Its also possible to gank our t2 catalysts for profit too.
We also operate while under several wardecs, have countless killrights on us and the freighters tbat scoop the loot can be shot at by everyone with no concord help. So no, we operate at a much greater risk.

on top of the inherent risks involved and the consequences that need to be paid.

Your analogy doesn't work. Its just obfuscation.

darn you make it sound so easy

perhaps you should try it yourself if it's so simple and profitable

Thank you. I needed a good giggle in an otherwise quite bad day

If I wanted PvE against unarmed ships. . . Actually I wouldn't want that.

I would still personally like to see the Empires react to ganking in their space, people should get some kind of Faction hit for criminal acts with Empire space. It's like you can run around Caldari space causing hell and the State just goes "Oh well CONCORD will sort it out... no need for us to get annoyed he's ruining our trade routes"

Having Faction standing losses added would for me add more feel that the Empires are meaningful as well as another barrier against what has become a far too easy and common profession within EVE.
Security Status is far too easy to regain and not a real penalty for suicide ganking, in fact most ganking alts don't even bother to regain the standings because the Faction Police can be avoided long enough to warp to the next gank target and kill them.

Faction standing loss is something which will hurt that character in the long term making suicide ganking a profession with real consequences (although again most people are using alts and don't care about the long term effects).

A solution to this could be to start having Factions deny docking in their stations after your faction standings have dropped low enough, so if you continue to gank in Caldari HighSec you wont be able to use Caldari stations to keep you gank alt in or dock to get new ships. This also add more to the feel that the Empires are doing something and adds more to the Choices Matter which CCP keep saying they want in EVE.

TL;DR: Revamp HighSec to make Factions more alive and mean more than what LP you're getting.

http://themittani.com/features/bringing-life-highsec-tying-worlds-together Svetlana Scarlet also has

Why doesn't it work? What is it obfuscating?

well. it's pvp, actually. it's so simple and profitable you don't want to do it? please explain

well. it's pvp, actually. it's so simple and profitable you don't want to do it? please explain

[quote=Tippia]Player A (freighter) undocks in high sec in an slot less PvE ship. Player A only takes 10% of his capacity (2 billion isk of junk loot) to avoid being ganked. Player A is using his ship for its intended purpose. Player A gets ganked anyway because a bunch of low skilled cheap dessies costing 20 times less than his ship can kill his highly skilled expensive ship so cheaply they can do it just for lulz.

Player B (Carrier) undocks in a PvP ship without PvP mods. Player B jumps his ship deliberately into a battle (suicides). Player B is a moron and not using his ship for its intended purpose.

Its PvP. Aggressor can not be aggressed. Pilot cannot do anything to avoid aggressor. Pilot is just sitting there non-interactable. May as well not be in the ship.

But, the way You wrote it, Player B did it on purpose, so maybe there was a biggler plan behind his suicide run, which You can never hope to understand.

And Player A got ganked simply because someone was smarter than him...

And now that I've said that, I think we need to reevaluate who's the idiot in Your post...

Player A got ganked because the mechanics are imbalanced.

Player A got ganked because the mechanics are imbalanced.

Player A got ganked because there was a profit to be had. We dont gank these thing just for giggles.

Really? So your 31 man gank on the freighter also featuring in this forum atm in which 2 bil / 31 dropped you call profitable? You'd make more running level 4s and itd be more exciting for you since you'd be risking something at least.

Really? So your 31 man gank on the freighter also featuring in this forum atm in which 2 bil / 31 dropped you call profitable? You'd make more running level 4s and itd be more exciting for you since you'd be risking something at least.

Yeah but do LVL 4s drop tears?

Yeah but do LVL 4s drop tears?

Player A got ganked because there was a profit to be had. We dont gank these thing just for giggles.

Seriously, at least be honest and say you do it mostly for giggles. Any isk profit is just a nice bonus.

Heh, You make it sound as if 20 guys shouldn't be able to kill the lone freighter. :/

They probably invested hours upon hours just to get that one guy, success (financially) not guaranteed.

Player A (accidentaly) made people work for their KM, he should be proud of himself.

He's still an Idiot tho, he could've travelled with some boosting ships for company, or someone who just webs him for insta warp He can't be completely without friends... I think.

Oh horse crap. So everything in the game has to be done in a fleet, even one extremely tedious freighter flight to Jita? What a great idea that sounds like. I guess you live for this game and don't think about much else. Sad for you. Some people want to play this game like it's a game, not a stint in the army.

Fixed that for you

Well this is incredible because it's only a couple of weeks since I was told that no one loses JFs ever

If 1.2B is really quit-worthy after 8 years then I'm sorry. You should manage your budget more carefully.

Never pilot a JF through hisec. That is a juicy multi-billion ISK killmail even with an empty cargohold!

Instead, dock when you enter a hisec border system and transfer cargo to a freighter(s) to complete the trip.

Oh I seeee


It should be easy for one group of players and not another


Got it

Or rethink our skill system, because what's the point in leveling these skills, when a 2 week player can destroy what took 3+ months to skill for?

Even WoW rewards hard work better than this.

Put the time in = earned your rewards.

EVERYONE can shoot that freighter? Didn't it use to be only the corp of the first (dead) freighter pilot which was basically useless? Kind of evens the risk-free-PvP thingie!

Dear Baltec1, voice of bat country, I have a request for your wisdom.

Would my charon be able to haul a full load of trit in system 0.9, 0.8, 0.9 or will your britix feast upon my lossmail?

:D

Swipe from a can and everyone can shoot you for 15 min.

Except it can be aligned and ready to instawarp the moment it scoops. By the time it turns red its in warp.

Except it can be aligned and ready to instawarp the moment it scoops. By the time it turns red its in warp.

Thank you. I needed a good giggle in an otherwise quite bad day

Player A (freighter) undocks in high sec in an slot less PvE ship. Player A only takes 10% of his capacity (2 billion isk of junk loot) to avoid being ganked. Player A is using his ship for its intended purpose. Player A gets ganked anyway because a bunch of low skilled cheap dessies costing 20 times less than his ship can kill his highly skilled expensive ship so cheaply they can do it just for lulz.-áPlayer A deliberately decides that this is a good use waste of the space and proceeds to jump blindly and/or AFK through well-known camp spots (suicides). Player A is a moron and not using the right ship for the job.

Player B (Carrier) undocks in a PvP ship without PvP mods. Player B jumps his ship deliberately into a battle (suicides) because a bunch of low-skilled cheap BCs costing 20 times less than this ship can kill his highly skilled expensive ship so cheaply (zero cost) that they can do it just for lulz. Player B is a moron and not using [s]his ship for its intended purpose the right ship for the job.

And why is that a problem?

The mechanic works, it's a player behavior vs environment/rules = player content, no problem here, working as intended.

Except it can be aligned and ready to instawarp the moment it scoops. By the time it turns red its in warp.

I didnt say it was a problem. It was a response to a reply pretending the freighter scooping was at risk of getting killed.

Its funny to think that back when this was announced many anti-gank campaigners got all excited and bounced around celebrating the end of hauler ganking and something about ganker tears.

We adapted before crimewatch even hit.

I know. Reality can be funny some times. Too bad so many choose to ignore it and spend their lives in some kind of miserable bubble of unreal and imagined powerlessness.

Yes? And the analogy doesn't workGǪ why, exactly? What's being obfuscated (aside from the parts you left out)?

Using an analogy which was in no way relevent to the topic, shift the focus from what was relevent to that which was not. Its an annoying and dishonest tactic.

The topic is that a particular ship that happens to cost a lot dies easily when faced with the onslaught of a fleet of smaller and cheaper ships.

The analogy shows that this happens all over the place and that no, just because the attackers' fleet cost 5% of the defender's hull doesn't mean there is any kind of balance issue. Trying to foist freighter ganks off as something special and unique that somehow stands out from the overall balance of the game and thus needs to be GǣfixedGǥ is far more annoying and dishonest than showing that nothing about this premise is actually trueGǪ

But when you can warp scramble the freightor for an hr and keep him aggressed for an hour (so he cant log off and disappear) then something has been abused in the game.

Bubbles (not catch "drag,sling") were abused on POS's back in the day pulling anyone that warped to the POS in line with the buble through the POS into the bubble (Supers included) and it was deemed an exploit. It worked dam good as it was supposed to.

The analogy has nothing to do with highsec freighter ganking.

The point is bubbles worked just like they were designed to But the designer didnt intend for them to pull people through there POS.

Better ?

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!

I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....

THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom