You make some good points. The main selling point for the Talos, I feel, would be for solo. Because honestly, with no dronebay, no web bonus, and large guns, which other one of the tier 3 BC's would you trust not to get pinned down by a lone rifter and blobbed to death? The Amarr one might stand a chance due to being armor tanked, freeing up mids for webs... Except that it only has three mids, which is only enough for point/MWD/cap booster.

That said, solo is a somewhat nich+¬ environment in today's EVE, so I guess it would be nice if they were at least somewhat viable for small gangs/fleets. Now to find a way to do it without obsoleting AC's...

Tippia is right (and also right for correcting me previously, it had been years since I looked up the formula and had forgotton how it worked, thanks!).

It doesn't help matters that the stats are mislabeled though as it leads to small bouts of confusion like this.

The ships with a speed bonus will accelerate faster even with the inertia nerf

but does anybody here know what parameters affect how quickly a ship turns?

I think its a very bad idea to put a 90% web on a T1 bc its gonna be very OP for such a cheap ship right now you have to at least spend 80mil on a faction frigate to get this bonus even more if you want some tank with it
pls don't do that ccp

I think its a very bad idea to put a 90% web on a T1 bc its gonna be very OP for such a cheap ship right now you have to at least spend 80mil on a faction frigate to get this bonus even more if you want some tank with it
pls don't do that ccp

who said the tornado's going to be cheap for all you know the tornado and talos will be 60-90m to buy the hull

Seeing as tier3 are more expensive than 1 and 2... and in bs its almost 1.5 to 2x as much ... we're looking at 50-80m range... so not exactly a cheap tier 1 ship for one that has minimal tank...

CCP , why the hybrid frigate agility nerf ???!??

Daredevil

agility: 3.39 => 3.5595

Federation Navy Comet

agility: 3.3 => 3.465

maxVelocity: 370.0 => 375.0

Incursus

agility: 3.31 => 3.4755

maxVelocity: 334.0 => 344.0

Tristan

agility: 3.85 => 4.0425

maxVelocity: 296.0 => 306.0

Taranis

agility: 3.1 => 3.255

etc.

What we really don't need in Eve , are slugish hybrid frigates. Fix it.
thx

-Zhula

Edit: Hi thar Naga, Oracle and Talos.

WeeeellGǪ it's possible that they will accelerate to a given speed at a faster rate, but I haven't done the maths on that yet. However, they will take longer to reach max speed GÇö it's kind of what increased inertia does.
Turning is just a different way of acceleration, so it's still mass and inertia modifier GÇö higher is worse. So they'll turn slower.

ell oh ell...

Good one Poetic Stanziel...

If I'm reading this right, Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor requires Thermodynamics level one and gets a 20% bonus to warp disruption (-1 warp strenght range) on it's 22km base range. I wonder if the bonus is per level... 40km disrupt? Meta 6 T1

Tippia: what would the result of a interial modifier increase be when combined with a mass decrease?

Tippia: what would the result of a interial modifier increase be when combined with a mass decrease?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Acceleration

If you increase inertia (I) by 5% and reduce mass (M) by 5%, you get a tiny improvement. (1.05 * .95 ) = .9975

It'll still be cheap considering that losing the faction equivalent has you gaining pretty much nothing in insurance, whereas you get nearly everything back when losing a regular t1 ship, regardless of the tier. The initial cost doesn't make much difference if it's replaced simply by buying new modules which is what you can pretty much do here.

You do realize faction ships arent supposed to be better than t2 right? (recons) ... faction are supposed to be between t1 and t2... hence the fact they require like 0 skills

I'm really encouraged when looking at the initial concept of the Tier 3 BCs. The bane of ships for a long time has always been the Bigger = Better approach within the tier systems. You really can't argue with the notion that Tier 1 BCs are among the least used ships in the game.

I really hope CCP sticks to the flavor we're seeing in the current Tier 3 BCs in that they have some advantages over the Tier 2 ships (Range, Speed), but also some serious disadvantages (Tracking, Effective HP)

They look genuinely GOOD so far.

Higher Tier shouldn't just be a cookie cutter More fitting, More EHP, more damage over the previous tier. There should really be radically different roles as you go along.

So yeah, really happy, really encouraged by what I'm seeing so far. Just please stay with this inspired bit of brilliance. Last thing anyone wants is to have these ships simply bigger better versious of Tier 2 BCs, thatl just kill all the others dynamics. You saw what introducing Tier 2 BCs did to Both Tier 1 and Command ships.