My initial impressions are positive-ish with this, the Deimos tank nerf was pretty derp and unwaranted I'm still formulated opinions on Eagles and Cerbs but so far good thoughts overall.

However;

Dat Vaga;

A shield boost bonus on a ship with four mids, terrible base buffer, poor fitting and terrible cap.

What were you possibly thinking with that, its genuinely one of the most stupid decisions I have seen in a balance pass, not only will it be largely pointless for anything other than lolnicheXLASB Vagas (And no, just because you flew them Kill2 doesnt mean they are the norm, or better than a normal vaga in most cases) it doesn't fix the actual issues with the hull which are it has Anemic DPS generally, but particularly out to range despite its range bonus.

It also doesnt fix the fact that the Cyna is still better in every way, even if you wanted to XLASB it the Vaga is worse, just use that spare mid on the Cyna for an SBA and magically you have a better hull, again.

Price cannot be used as a balancing factor, yes the sig bonus helps but being able to avoid damage and tanking was never its issue, its DPS and projection were, which are not being resolved.

It also cant fit an XLASB and still mount a decent ranged kiting fit, so I dont really see the bonus having any point at all beyond lolscramXLASB vagas.

Edit; that seems to fit into the general trend towards making all PVP sub ABC being Approach>Heat>Scram/Web>Hope your numbers are better.

Deimos still needs more Love.
its in the worst shape of them all.. why would you lower its tank? its tank already sucks..
still i think more needs to be done to it rather than just buffing its tank
cause its still a pretty useless ship



The tho the Sacrilige is nice. it needs more its still something nobodys gunna fly
CCP you have really made a mess of it thinking you can just leave the cap bonus on there.

it really should have either a missle velocity or explosion radius/velocity bonus anything really just not some useless cap bonus. its a armor tanked missle boat so it already wont be using alo of cap. and it no long has a highslot for utility a neut which my justify it at all.


and a few of the other ships have some CPU and Power grid issues



Deimos, Sacrilige, Munin needs more love


CCP I will say that you have done well with the Eagle. The Zealot has always been pretty goodn, The Vaga is nice as always. and I like that the ishtar has the same stats as a dominix lol. with drones now

i am sad that the Ishtar kept the drone bay bonus, the the Deimos kept the MWD cap bonus instead of picking up a tracking bonus and i'm sad that the Sac is still stuck with a cap bonus. These all feel like pure bonus wasters. Meanwhile the Vaga gets rid of its useless bonus and gets something it doesn't really need, though it is kinda cool.

It's probably done that way because that is how the bonus is actually calculated. Showing the bonus in the same way avoids any confusion or misunderstandings that might otherwise arise. A role bonus would be something you can't possibly ever lose once gained, but there are still ways to lose skill levels in the game and fully trained skill are the most likely victims if it happens, so it's perfectly justified to show them as per level bonuses.

indeed that and hacs need 16 slot layout not 15 and give the ishtar back 15.

that will help deal with loss of ehp but give options to add tackle/dps

i would like to see the ishtar get bonus to combat utility/ELECTRONIC WARFARE drones of 20% per level

so that would mean a Berserker SW-900 gets a 40% max velocity bonus. or a Wasp 900 25 sensor strength

the sac needs a 10% to em missile damage per level

the diemos needs a tracking bonus of 7.5% per level

i completely disagree with this

troll post please ignore him

Are you really asking why Winmatar and Amarr aren't treated the same?

Do you even dual armor rep bro?
My current Sacrilege SOP:
1: Stagger both reppers
2: leave them on because sexy sexy cap
3: Kill everything (A bit slowly because my dps sucks.)

In my experience it's basically the only Amarr ship WITHOUT horrific cap issues.

Better HACS:
Dps needs to go up
Cost needs to go down
Tank needs a slight to moderate boost.
At 240mil a pop...come on.

You should get out of your Nyx and fly subcaps more often.

you misspelled 3 erebus and 2 aeons

My point stays the same
Tell you what, come to my WH I'll solo your Aeons and Erebus'

Edit: where do I know you from...

Lol @ all these wormhole guys thinking T3s don't need to be massively nerfed/deleted entirely

wow u talk big ps i spent last 2 days in wormholes and guess what?

you're all pussies go buy some supercaps (oh wait u can't cuz you're poor)

Think that Sacrilege does need some additional work, but it's not about with cap bonus. Actually resist bonus with cap bonus create a very nice and unique solo machine. The problem with sac is in the DPS - it can't kill stuff quickly enough. So maybe a little bigger damage bonus - like 7.5% per level will make it viable.

Clearly you were in the wrong wormholes.

1) Lol you think WHers are poor
2) I don't feel the need to overcompensate by expensive buying internet spaceships

HOW MANY TITANS U OWN?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU

The only complaint I have is about the deimos.

IMHO it is still the die-most with an outdated MWD cap bonus. Either it needs some sort of survivability bonus, or a speed bonus.

I think the coolest bonus to give it would be a 10% increase to MWD overloaded speed per level.

This would mean an MWD would still give a 500% bonus when turned on normally, but when overloading instead of giving a 750% bonus it would be a 875% bonus (a difference of about 400 m/s on a 290 m/s base ship) This would increase the deimos' ability to catch its opponents quickly without increasing its ability to kite forever.