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Alsyth
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:16:00 -
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- slower than most T1 cruisers still, which is a real problem - base hp so low that tank cannot rival faction cruisers except under heavy reps. - munnin still bad, why not get rid of these utility hi like the deimos, and have a truly versatile 5/4/6? that along the very small buff to arties compared to the others makes Munnin really poor. Only 3 med slots, really... Even the Deimos has 4!
- could really hurt the tier3 BC and that's a good thing - awesome job on the vaga, will be a great solo ship with ASB (OP even, imo) - nice for the deimos, ishtar - awesome for the eagle except it's still much too slow - awesome for rapid light missile launcher cerberus, but still no use for hml, and horrible to fit. One of the few with a decent speed. - sacrilege I don't understand. still meh (HML being so useless don't help), and the cap bonus, really? - Zealot will be nice, the damage buff will make it really powerful. But too slow. |
David Kir
Tailender
49
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:17:00 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Kinda weird to see 50 m^3 drone bay on a Sacrilege, when 25 m^3 should be enough by all senses, but I suppose the ship needed a buff (even though my senses say that giving it a bonus to explosion velocity would be more logical that giving it a unusually large drone bay for a non-Gallente ship).
Eagle still has a duplicate optimal range bonus. If 100% bonus to optimal range was so great more people would fly Rail Tengus I suppose. Therefore I would replace the range bonus from HAC skill with a bonus to tracking, damage or maybe even shield hitpoints.
Also, I don't think that falloff bonus on Hybrid boats is much useful, no matter if you use Blasters or Rails. So I would remove the falloff bonus from Deimos and replace it with a 7.5% bonus to either tracking or armour repair amount (or maybe even 10% optimal, which I would like to see on a Gallente boat for once).
And Ishtar, while being changed for the better, still has the same CPU :(
Rail Tengus weren't flown because: a) Rails used to suck b) the Accelerated Ejection Bay is OP as hell. c) Rails used to suck |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:18:00 -
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It looks to me like it will still be the same old goo too HACS ... Vaga for mobility and killing little things now with a strong tank ASB. Zealot and muninn for 0.0 AHAC gangs.... and ishtar for drone guys now even better than before.
Its a shame i was hoping caldari HACS would be worth bothering with.. :( sacrilege potential is still wasted on tanking obsession yet didn't get the extra low it needs Deimos will still be over-expensive and slow version of thorax which tracks better and is much quicker.. or ofc Talos which is plain better and won't be much speed difference it seems. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Tuxedo Catfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:18:00 -
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... you're buffing the Vagabond?
What, were people not using them or something?
I like the Ishtar change and about half the Deimos change. I wish you'd replaced the MWD capacitor bonus with something useful though, maybe tracking? |
Kansas Winndu
DMoney Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:19:00 -
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Instead of buffing Ishtar as an op-dominix, I suggest to make some use of the heavy drones.
How about. 5% Bonus to drone MWD speed and tracking speed.
So it can be either a sentry sniper platform or a Heavy drone dps
wait I forget It's navy vexor's stat.... |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
896
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:20:00 -
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And here was me thinking that i didn't use HACs because of their comparatively poor dps, tank and slot layout. It turns out what i really wanted was the sig radius of a battleship... A 25% bonus to AB speed would have been nice.
The medium long range gun buff will do a lot for HACs but I guess we'll see if this WMD bonus is actually an improvement when they hit the real server.
When can we expect to see these changes? Putting work in since 2010. |
Salpun
Aliastra Gallente Federation
600
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:20:00 -
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When can we test these changes? |
David Kir
Tailender
49
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:21:00 -
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Alsyth wrote:- slower than most T1 cruisers still, which is a real problem - base hp so low that tank cannot rival faction cruisers except under heavy reps. - munnin still bad, why not get rid of these utility hi like the deimos, and have a truly versatile 5/4/6? that along the very small buff to arties compared to the others makes Munnin really poor. Only 3 med slots, really... Even the Deimos has 4!
- could really hurt the tier3 BC and that's a good thing - awesome job on the vaga, will be a great solo ship with ASB (OP even, imo) - nice for the deimos, ishtar - awesome for the eagle except it's still much too slow - awesome for rapid light missile launcher cerberus, but still no use for hml, and horrible to fit. One of the few with a decent speed. - sacrilege I don't understand. still meh (HML being so useless don't help), and the cap bonus, really? - Zealot will be nice, the damage buff will make it really powerful. But too slow.
The Muninn's extra high is for a remote SeBo, which is what it needs. The new lowslot layout makes it sturdier.
All in all, its role as an alpha dealer is still intact, and its efficacy has been improved. BL will be quite happy about this. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1323
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:22:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off. And what is the reason the navy vexor has the same power grid and +10 CPU over the vexor yet only has 2 unbonused turrets, where as the Ishtar got an extra turret. Okay, can't argue with you there. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
David Kir
Tailender
49
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:22:00 -
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Tuxedo Catfish wrote:... you're buffing the Vagabond?
What, were people not using them or something?
I like the Ishtar change and about half the Deimos change. I wish you'd replaced the MWD capacitor bonus with something useful though, maybe tracking?
Yep, people were not using them. Really. |
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Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
160
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:29:00 -
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Someone seems broken when Navy versions are going to outdo t2 versions. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:30:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Tuxedo Catfish wrote:... you're buffing the Vagabond?
What, were people not using them or something?
I like the Ishtar change and about half the Deimos change. I wish you'd replaced the MWD capacitor bonus with something useful though, maybe tracking? Yep, people were not using them. Really.
they were most likely using cynabals instead like me :) Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Andrea Griffin
590
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:32:00 -
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I'd much rather give the assault cruiser line something unique to help them stand out - like EWar resistance. 10% per level reduction in the effectiveness of hostile EWar (TDs, Damps, Webs, etc.). This would give the HACs a useful and unique capability to help them stand out. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2392
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:33:00 -
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So far you have my likes. Love the 50% MWD sig reduction.
I actually want to try the Diemost now as a rail boat. The Ishtar changes look beautiful for my sentry boat. Drone speed would've been nice for pvp. The Cerb might work for my Caldari alt now. Eagle I'll at least play with in EFT again. Might have to try an ASB vagabond. Zealot is really going to miss that 18 hull, but +1 sensor strength is a fair trade. :)
Sac and Muninn I've not flown, so no comments.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
896
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:35:00 -
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It also seems very silly to not turn the sacrilege into a drone boat. The prophecy was turned into a drone boat meaning thAT Amarr players needed to skill up for drones, but then there is no higher level (e.g. HAC) drone boat for Amarr pilots. Putting work in since 2010. |
Corporal Cina
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:39:00 -
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Finally HAC love!
I like the Ishtar and Vaga. Many other good changes out there but it will take a while to see where the dust settles.
Eagerly await the Command Ship pass. (Eos as a real drone boat please!) |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
275
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:43:00 -
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According to that big list of what you guys would be tiericiding, I thought T2 and faction frigates would come before T2 cruisers.
I trained EAF 5. When will I be able to use it outside the AT? AFs, the nemesis, dictors, all interceptors and all pirate frigates could use some work too. |
Jureth22
the unified Negative Ten.
103
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:44:00 -
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thanks for ruining the vagabond.also,eagle changes are mostly insignificant.back to drawing board |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
4104
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:46:00 -
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Sac should get some sort of scram/disrutper/web range/strength bonus instead of the mostly useless cap bonus. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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David Kir
Tailender
50
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:47:00 -
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Jureth22 wrote:thanks for ruining the vagabond.also,eagle changes are mostly insignificant.back to drawing board
Ruining the Vagabond?
I hope you're trolling: the contrary would mean you're stupid. |
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Meatypopsicle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off. And what is the reason the navy vexor has the same power grid and +10 CPU over the vexor yet only has 2 unbonused turrets, where as the Ishtar got an extra turret. Okay, can't argue with you there.
The drone mods (link aug and omnidir) take a lot of CPU so even if the PG is unchanged it needs more CPU.
on a different point it's kinda dumb that something like a Gila has more drone bay. Add another 50 to the base drone bay and keep the +50 per level.
Finally, I'm sad that going short range with blasters has been nerfed...
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Jureth22
the unified Negative Ten.
103
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:50:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Zer Res wrote:No damage on the ishtar?? Hah, sorry, fixed =)
what about ishtar getting another low slot for the one lost?also vaga getting another mid? |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:51:00 -
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if you're not willing to go to 16 slots then at least increase bonuses like you did on bc's and then take from the highs to feed the lows or mids
Also is it just me or do all these seem to be designed either for brawling or sniping? Also eagle's bonuses contradict it in every way Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
darius mclever
51
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:51:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP Rise have you tried to fix the cerberus? seriously does it need to spew missiles out too 200km ?
look at the caracal that is the model you need to look at here and also the corax these have nice combos.... missile explosion velocity is perfect for a kitey missile ship
Also more speed on these things please
The cerb used to have 250k range, which was especially nice to annoy falcons to death. IMHO it needs the range.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
275
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:51:00 -
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If sig bonuses don't help AFs and inties survive being on grid with tier 3 BCs for more than 10s, I don't see how it will help HACs out much more. Sig bonus really seems kind of a deimos/sacrilege kind of bonus, not the kind of thing you want on an eagle or cerberus chilling at long range. |
MyrddinBishop
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
20
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:53:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off. And what is the reason the navy vexor has the same power grid and +10 CPU over the vexor yet only has 2 unbonused turrets, where as the Ishtar got an extra turret. Okay, can't argue with you there. I really think that the Ishtar needs some sort of buff to fitting. I fully expected it to get some sort of love in this regard with this balance pass and am disappointed that it has not. I think that the comparison to the Faction Cruiser equivalent is a fair one to make. The Vexor Navy Issue(VNI) and the Ishtar have very similar bonuses to drones. However, it is a toss up and maybe even more of a nod toward using the VNI just because of fitting. I don't believe this should be the case. I feel that the nod towards preference should not be towards the Faction Cruiser but toward the HAC. I think this could be done simply by expanding the fitting to be more in line with the VNI.
VNI Fittings: 800 PWG, 310 CPU
Ishtar Fittings: 700 PWG, 285 CPU
Just under 10% more CPU and well over 10% more PWG is pretty signigicant and I would like to see this addressed or at the very least I hope to hear the reasoning behind making the Ishtar or even some of the other HACs either very similar in power or even having the Faction Cruisers be slightly better than there equivilant HAC. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:53:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:If sig bonuses don't help AFs and inties survive being on grid with tier 3 BCs for more than 10s, I don't see how it will help HACs out much more. Sig bonus really seems kind of a deimos/sacrilege kind of bonus, not the kind of thing you want on an eagle or cerberus chilling at long range.
well at the moment 50% won't do much good to the shield ships with there high sig radius they have and low speed Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Adwokat Diabla
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:53:00 -
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cerb could really use a rapid bonus along with the ham/hml bonus seens how hml's are pretty ******* worthless atm |
David Kir
Tailender
50
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:54:00 -
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Jureth22 wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Zer Res wrote:No damage on the ishtar?? Hah, sorry, fixed =) what about ishtar getting another low slot for the one lost?also vaga getting another mid? 5 mids on the Vaga would make it OP: same tank as a Sleipnir, more speed and a smaller sig. I love the new Vagabond, please leave it alone or they'll nerf it. |
Adwokat Diabla
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:55:00 -
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MyrddinBishop wrote:mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:mynnna wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off. And what is the reason the navy vexor has the same power grid and +10 CPU over the vexor yet only has 2 unbonused turrets, where as the Ishtar got an extra turret. Okay, can't argue with you there. I really think that the Ishtar needs some sort of buff to fitting. I fully expected it to get some sort of love in this regard with this balance pass and am disappointed that it has not. I think that the comparison to the Faction Cruiser equivalent is a fair one to make. The Vexor Navy Issue(VNI) and the Ishtar have very similar bonuses to drones. However, it is a toss up and maybe even more of a nod toward using the VNI just because of fitting. I don't believe this should be the case. I feel that the nod towards preference should not be towards the Faction Cruiser but toward the HAC. I think this could be done simply by expanding the fitting to be more in line with the VNI. VNI Fittings: 800 PWG, 310 CPU Ishtar Fittings: 700 PWG, 285 CPU Just under 10% more CPU and well over 10% more PWG is pretty signigicant and I would like to see this addressed or at the very least I hope to hear the reasoning behind making the Ishtar or even some of the other HACs either very similar in power or even having the Faction Cruisers be slightly better than there equivilant HAC.
honestly, the better comparison to make is gila vs ishtar, and the gila literally does everything x10 times better fitting wise then the ishtar |
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