must be the reason you see so many active tanked maels and proteus around these days... you sir are a ****** ;)

furthermore just because mael and sleipnir got a active boosting bonus doesnt mean the vaga needs one too. if i want active boosting i fly a sleipnir you tard guess why? cus it already has a boosting bonus.
its abut variety of choices not making all the same, otherwise we could stomp all ships and restrict eve to nubships only

All of those are frequently active tanked ships.
All of those quite used, and very much successful.
My point is: active tanks aren't only for PVE, and I'm right.
That is it.

You can still use your beloved Vagabond as you did, in that it hasn't changed by one single bit.
But now you can also ASB it, if you're brave and good enough to do so, and be a very capable brawler.

I agree the sacrilege has more potential bonuses to pick from instead of being pigeon holed into a brawling ship which is a shame as if you look at other options for the same price ... Navy drake is so much better ..... i was hoping all HACs would be more vaga based .. i.e. speed and dps/damage projection ... also HICS outank these..

All of those are frequently active tanked ships.
All of those quite used, and very much successful.
My point is: active tanks aren't only for PVE, and I'm right.
That is it.

You can still use your beloved Vagabond as you did, in that it hasn't changed by one single bit.
But now you can also ASB it, if you're brave and good enough to do so, and be a very capable brawler.

Seriously the drone bonus on the Ishtar

How would you feel about giving the zealot 1 gun and then giving it 1 gun per level in HAC's? Its a really silly bonus.

no i can not as i did, cus IT GETS ******* 25%!!!! SLOWER

Why do drone ships still have a slot penalty? The slot penalty was from "back in the day" when there was almost no drone upgrades. It has been 5+ years since that penalty was relevant. Stop putting it on new ships. Drone boats are hardly used enough to justify a penalty these days.


Also the Ishtar still has the cripplingly low CPU it inherited from the Tier 2 Vexor almost a decade ago.


Also, the role bonus will rarely be used on most HACs.

The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off.

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What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...

It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank.
As for the "nano times"... they're over.
CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits.
The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.

wtf are you talking about.

Sacrilige buff was still not strong enought, it still appears uselss compared to the rest. The Eagle looks like a good buff combined with the rails. Demios change with the extra buff and mid slot will have crashed the Vigilant price. The utility high was pretty useless and the extra web/scram/dual prop will be sweet fora close range blaster ship. having 4 mids could allow for shield DPS PVE fit but still not as good as a shield dps vigilant.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.

Sacrilige buff was still not strong enought, it still appears uselss compared to the rest. The Eagle looks like a good buff combined with the rails. Demios change with the extra buff and mid slot will have crashed the Vigilant price. The utility high was pretty useless and the extra web/scram/dual prop will be sweet fora close range blaster ship. having 4 mids could allow for shield DPS PVE fit but still not as good as a shield dps vigilant.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.

About the fact that kiting (as most "damage avoiding" tactics) is becoming less and less viable.

EDIT: poor grammar.

It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank.
As for the "nano times"... they're over.
CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits.
The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.

"It fits if you leave 5 slots empty" is not a very convincing argument for the Ishtar having sufficient CPU.

Even drone boats have a use for those high slots.. DLA IIs are 55 CPU each, for instance.

These changes all look good. However the Ishtar could still use a bit more CPU.