... afterburner variations that are already very strong ...

I think the Cerberus is going to be really powerful. It can now do the extremely long range thing with HML as well as added capacity to be an amazing HAM skirmisher.

Holy **** people.

The vaga got nothing but buffs.

It's called an ASB. Look it up, fit one, experience Godmode on Vaga.

Alright I've been pretty busy today but I'm trying to catch up on feedback. Here's some initial thoughts:

I'll look at the Ishtar fitting. To me it seems like one of the stronger HACs already and it gained a bonus to damage projection and application so I didn't see a need to give it even more buffs. I don't think of it as a ship that ought to be running medium sized mods in all its high slots. All that said, I'll have another look.

It's often used in armor alpha gangs, and quite effectively so.
The extra low gives it that little bit of tank or damage it needs.
BL Muninn+Huginn gangs are infamous.

It did get a minor speed nerf.

"Amazing" is exactly the right word.

Agreed here as well. I can barely see the justification of flying a vaga over a SFI (granted one's a shield the other's mostly an armor ship) because of the price difference vs the 'gain' in power.

Oh... once again this stupid MWD signature bonus which makes choosing between MWD and AB even more no-brainer decision. Instead of adding choices you remove them from the game again and again.

I must confess, that I haven't been active for last year but isn't ABHACs just one trick pony against incompetent foes who fail at trivial thing of providing webbing support and keeping it alive and this format popularity sharply declined after short initial spark of novelty? Am I wrong here?

But it got a major tank buff. And although it lost some of it's range control ability, it's still easily the fastest cruiser hull other than the egregious Cynabal.

I think the Cerberus is going to be really powerful. It can now do the extremely long range thing with HML as well as added capacity to be an amazing HAM skirmisher. The role bonus means it has a lot of added survivability while it establishes or maintains range for both roles.

But it got a major tank buff. And although it lost some of it's range control ability, it's still easily the fastest cruiser hull other than the egregious Cynabal.

I'll look at the Ishtar fitting. To me it seems like one of the stronger HACs already and it gained a bonus to damage projection and application so I didn't see a need to give it even more buffs. I don't think of it as a ship that ought to be running medium sized mods in all its high slots. All that said, I'll have another look.

While the Sacrilege didn't gain bonuses or slot changes, the added PG and added drone bay push it over the edge I think it would become a solid heavy brawler with a lot of utility. I spent some time trying to find a 4th bonus that fits better than the cap recharge bonus but it's actually very difficult. I think keeping its character as a really sturdy bruiser seems more interesting than anything else I've come across, but I'll keep watching feedback on this. Its really important to me that this both useful and fun.

the fact that you don't even mention rlml when talking about the cerb shows just how out of touch these changes really are. hmls are garbage, there is no point in using them instead of rapid lights unless you force it by making extremely specific, narrow ship bonuses that only affect one and not the other. that's a pretty big hint of awful design

If they thought HMLs were garbage, they'd probably be fixing HMLs, rather than handing out RLML bonuses.

Hi Rise,

I'm not important, but I fly a lot of Vagabonds and have for years.

I think the shield boost bonus is...just like totally useless. I mean its cool you added the speed bonus to the base stats; but the % of people that are going to plop a SB on a vagabond is so small because it's gonna lose its cap too fast with MWD/Shield Booster and lets face it, the Vagabond is a kiter.

Isn't there anything else you could slap on it? Tracking? ROF? even additional sig reduction like 4% per level so the Vaga has a real small signature radius - like frigate sized..idk.

The SB bonus just seems like an enormous waste of space.

sarcasm malcanis or expressing that HAMS range is still insanely high atm

I'll be amazed if people use the cerb as a skirmisher.

Capqu, so aggressive =/

I did forget to mention in last post that I think adding RLML to Cerb makes sense to me.