I think CCP's terminology for those two classes would be "Attack" for "Inty" (I assume these are kiters) and "Combat" for "Assault Frig" (I think you meant brawlers?)

Your breakup of them looks good, its hard to kite with drones, but I think the Deimos is a brawler more so than a kiter...

So: why doesn't one of the Gallente HACs have an armor repair bonus?

There's an Amarr HAC with an armor resistance bonus, a Caldari HAC with a shield resist bonus, and a Minmatar HAC with a shield boost bonus, but no Gallente repair bonus.

if these are some of the kewl things planned for marauders, i fear for the future of my eve playing...

omg, these are SO underwhelming.

a ship we train 2 months for=crap.

i have an idea, if this is the future of t2 ships, give us the sp for ewar, AF, HACS, Reconn, hics, command, Marauders and everything else t2 back and let us apply it to something useful like civilian mining drones or something.

t2 are made after they see whats wrong with t1. the navy then gets it, and then beefs it up. ONLY THEN, do they make the t2 and fix all the problems with t1 and make the specialize in 1 area.

all i have to say is wow...yawn.

i was SO excited when i read the news, i went and took a nap... =\

if this is what we have to look forward too, please, dont publish command ship changes. they are bad enough

Actually I like this and was thinking something similar.

Divide the hacs up into two classes Cruiser version inty and Cruiser version assault ship.

Inty Hacs

Cerb
Zealot
Vaga
Deimos <- maybe not sure on this one.

Assault Frig Hacs

Eagle
Muninn
Sac
Ishtar <- again, unsure on this one


And give each class bonuses to operate each role.

TBH the Ishtar would make better the kiter than the deimos.

I think CCP's terminology for those two classes would be "Attack" for "Inty" (I assume these are kiters) and "Combat" for "Assault Frig" (I think you meant brawlers?)

Your breakup of them looks good, its hard to kite with drones, but I think the Deimos is a brawler more so than a kiter...

If the rail changes are as good as advertised, that is highly debatable.

With heavy drones being near useless due to travel time, that means sentries, and you are going to lose a LOT of sentries kiting.

Who would like to see HACs (High EHP) reduced to one ship for each race and the others relegated to a new class of skirmish cruisers (High speed, lower sig)?

I think the navy cruisers should generally be higher speed and lower sig.

But really eve is about creative fittings. Most ships shouldn't have set "roles" ccp should give them some reasonable bonuses, slots and stats for the cost and let the players figure out how to use them.

I think the navy cruisers should generally be higher speed and lower sig.

But really eve is about creative fittings. Most ships shouldn't have set "roles" ccp should give them some reasonable bonuses, slots and stats for the cost and let the players figure out how to use them.

I think the navy cruisers should generally be higher speed and lower sig.

But really eve is about creative fittings. Most ships shouldn't have set "roles" ccp should give them some reasonable bonuses, slots and stats for the cost and let the players figure out how to use them.

...This will make it more a closer range brawling ship viable with heavies, like heavy assault ships are suppose to be....

Ok for all of you who didn't watch the alliance tournament, Fozzie and Rise commented on this thread and Rise said that in regard to the feedback everyone has given, he is going to look again at the hacs as he initially he is a bit conservative when making changes to ships in eve.

So my advice would start posting coherent arguments on changes you want to see. Because there will be changes.

I will like this as well, that would make game play alot more interesting.


Here are my thoughts.

Deimost : will still Never Be flown, it needs to either have a little more of everything including tank "in your face brawler" or it should be re-designed all together

Ishtar: is good as always... could use a bit more CPU after running tests in EFT

Cerberus: is better
it would be nice to see a close range brwaler missle boat for caldari
Raven is long range
Rohk is long range
drake is meduim range
Cerb is long range
Eagle is long range
naga is long range

It would be nice to have a caldari ship that got some better damage mods and was made to be an in your face brawler.


Eagle is nice for what it does


Sacrilge still wont be flown by many. The CAP Bonus should be built into the ship and you should give the ship an other missle bonus. cause there is not point buying a Sac when you could buy a drake or a cerberus.

Zealot is ok as is, maybe a few tweks could be done


Vaga is now a monster, its gunna make solo PvP very interesting

Munin though has gotten better still could take more looking at. still dont see why people would fly it over alot of the other HACs

seriously the two words brawling and vagabond together just make me sick, also it will lose speed and it have more mass than other HACs

I would have given the following bonus to vagabond

Minmatar Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5% Signature radius reduction per level
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage

yeah because the tier3's aren't snipy enough. We have enough fleet ships in the game. HACS are better suited for fast small scale skirmishes. Stop trying to make every hull fit nicely into large scale fleets

I would have given the following bonus to vagabond

Minmatar Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5% Signature radius reduction per level
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage

Considering that we've been shouting at the top of our lungs for a year that T2 won't get buffed as much as T1 was, I don't know why you're surprised.