I think they should all be made into small gang PvP powerhouses, somehow balanced so they don't really scale well into blobs (sorry AHACS).

Let the blobs fly their T1 stuff, T2 should be geared towards the professionals.

But this will never happen.

Because CCP RISE and CCP FOZZIE thats why

Pretty sure the standard Vaga has had an ASB on it since they were introduced mate...

HAC special bonus.

Ability to fit Micro Jump Drives and fitting requirement decreases.

Imagine that..

Stupid Idea: EvE is lacking a dedicated Cyno boat. Have them a second role bonus "500% to HP while cynosural field generator is active". This would make them pretty unique and give them a special role.

That is more a matter of.. Attack BC ****** up the balance in the game completely. They hurt BAttlehip and HACs roles too much.

This would be witty if it wasn't based on a statement that was off by a factor of 10.

These hacs are boring.

So boring that I found my self playing with an ishtar Fit with 47K EHP tank, cap stable, doing 2074m/s and capable of doing 900 DPS. All of these without a single gang bonuses. Yeah they sound boring has hell

So boring that I found my self playing with an ishtar Fit with 47K EHP tank, cap stable, doing 2074m/s and capable of doing 900 DPS. All of these without a single gang bonuses. Yeah they sound boring has hell

HAC special bonus.

Ability to fit Micro Jump Drives and fitting requirement decreases.

Imagine that..

HAC special bonus.

Ability to fit Micro Jump Drives and fitting requirement decreases.

Imagine that..

And to the people crying about the new changes did you even tried already the new changes in EFT ? The Munin, Ishtar, Deimos, Cerberus and Sacrilege are damn good. Still didn't have the time to check them all but from what I've seen they are now very (well) balanced.

An XL takes too much compromise to fit, and a Large is too terrible to fit.

TLDR ASB Vaga? No way, buffer ftw.

Honestly, this is the best idea. It gives advantages to both sniping and brawling gameplay, sets HACs apart from all the other similarly-performing ships (T1 ACs, ABCs, BCs, T3s, Pirate ships, CSs, etc.). *Only* a HAC could MJD from that list. That in and of itself would be reason to spend the ~100m more over a similarly-situated Navy Cruiser.

Plus, it'd allow new metas to develop and be tested. Dual prop fits on HACs would have an entirely new meaning.

Large asb's are too bad? What? An unloaded LASB gives you twice the raw shield HP as a LSE with that bonus.....

This. I've been a fan of this idea since it was first raised in the last thread. Resilient damage dealers with exceptional strike capability.

This will be only my second post on a forum concerning EVE online in my 5 consecutive, and faithful years of playing. With that said please allow this post to be interpreted in two ways.

1. I Generally enjoy playing your game an I am happy to continue to pay to do so.

2. The importance of making yet another voice heard to the upcoming T2 changes has driven me to add my voice to the masses

[Excellent observations and suggestions]

The above is everything CCP Rise has said about the Eagle. CCP Rise is lost for words when it comes to the Eagle - it is apparently is the worst ship but does not need any major overhaul. Apparently rails are going to save it...

The Eagle has been trading in Jita below its build cost since the EHP increase back in the last decade. I'm not surprised there is less debate about it - few people have bothered to fly it.

As a game designer you appear to be unable to express why the game needs the Eagle. To paraphrase someone else in this thread who I'd like to quote but cannot find again:

If you removed the Eagle from the game nobody would notice.


Here is a recommendation - delete the Eagle - I really think the old bird is cooked.

I havnt read though the entire thread. But the Ishtar split drone bonus sucks IMO. I would suggest something along the lines of combining the bonuses into Drone Optimal, tracking, and speed all in one and adding mabe something like increased drone control range for the 4th bonus.

Funny how fixing the tracking fomula and making rails relevant could make the eagle really interesting... but nope, lets ignore that issue too.

ISHTAR

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Heavy Drone speed and tracking(was 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage)
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
7.5% bonus to Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed(was bonus to drone bay capacity)

Am I going to pay 200 milion for a cruiser sized ship with 70- 90k ehp

OR

Am I going to pay 500 million for a cruiser sized ship with at least double the tank, more damage, more Ewar resistance, more options, more slots, more speed, more capacitor, lower sig, and a much higher likelyhood to survive and/or kill targets faster.

Investment always pays off in the end. Every competent pvp'er knows' this is true.

So given two stupidly overlapping roles, why are people going to choose HACS? What role or benefit do they offer?

How are they not just cheaper, weaker, duller, less adaptable versions of Tech 3 that nobody will fly other than space poor people?

Let me let you in secret that helps when planning:

RICE

Relevant
Challenging
Innovative
Exploratory

It's what teachers are supposed to do to make content interesting and useful to kids.... maybe you guys should try it at CCP.

How are these HACs any of those?

Almost 0 flexibility on most of their gear builds. Almost 0 utility that doesn't get outclassed by at least 5-6 other ship class options. Not new, not thought provoking at all. Not challenging, just the same bonuses on another set of ships.... not like we don't already have 5 sentry drone platforms in game. Not exploratory at all... no new ideas allowing players to explore new content or philosophies.

You do realize that those same T3's are in CCP's sights for the nerf bat right?