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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:20:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Another day, another fail.
It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.
You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side. What is the excuse for not having people setup in all systems at all times?
I'll tell you the excuse: Sucking.
We deployed: http://themittani.com/news/cfc-deploys-delve
Maybe if you guys paid attention to what was happening in EVE you could have made as much isk as we did from Caldari ice and you wouldn't be so butthurt.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
457
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:43:00 -
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Oh. I found this nice article... About the the interiction.
http://evenews24.com/2013/08/20/greedy-goblin-the-fall-of-miniluv/
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3506
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:45:00 -
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Yeah, apparently we're broke or something.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
The Cursed Few
453
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:02:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:
But the profit is not a guarantee. It is a gamble, a risk. You are essentially taking your chips and putting them on the table, whether you win or not, the money is gone into the pool, and you have risked your investment on the chance to win the pot. The whole reason for putting together the ship was on the chance to blow up and then collect the loot from your victim, and if that fails then your investment failed to pan out.
This is not the same as fuel, when you buy it you expect it to perform its function without fail and you get your money's worth. Same as office supplies, groceries, paying rent, paying employees, paying utilities, and other costs. None of those involve any perceivable risks. While I will concede that purchasing a ganking catalyst can be considered a cost from an economic standpoint, I cannot and will not concede that it is not a risk from the same economic standpoint because the purchase was made on the hopes that it will perform a function which has no guarantee of success.
But that has nothing to do with the ship you choose, or has anything to do with your target, which is where THAT risk assessment you mention comes from.
You have no idea whatsoever what sort of profit margin you're looking at when you purchase the ship to gank with. Unless you want to imply you are buying it and fitting it on the fly....?
Otherwise, if you're seeding a ship, you do not even have a target sited, let alone scanned, or an idea of a profit to work with.
So "profit" is irrelevant at the time of purchase/preparation. The risk has nothing to do with the action, only the result. And that's dynamically changed and as you so eloquently put, buying that catalyst is the same as buying those office supplies or groceries.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
The Cursed Few
453
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:18:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.
So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.
Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo. a week old character in a retriever with 4 t1 drones can, and will, absolutely destroy any high sec rat spawn without issue or even needing to be at the PC. rats are only an issue in 0.6 and below for players younger than a week. how many players fall in to that category? a negligable amount since most that young tend to be in 1.0-0.7 where 2 t1 drones can easily deal with the spawns (maybe a dip in to armour but nowhere near hull) calling it risky for new players is laughable. Today's retriever <> 2009 retriever. Minmatar space <> Caldari space. point still stands; calling mining risky even for new players is still laughable.
Almost as risky as suicide ganking. Atleast with a suicide gank you can DEPEND on your ship getting blown up.
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Maximus Andendare
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
463
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:45:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So I had eyes on a Caldari Ice belt last night... Prime Time too.
Everyone is minding their own business for a an hour or two and then I finally see 4 catalysts pop a Mack. This is actually not that unsual for the system.
As my friends quickly snag all the loot, we wait for more of a show to happen.
Then a covertor shows up in the belt and for the rest of the night (probaly 2 hours) it mines away with impunity.
We were waiting for them to get concord to show up somewhere else by using an Ibis to pull them away, but sadly no one did anything for the rest of the night even after another belt spawned.
There were plenty of retreivers and mack shooting their lasers at the Ice roids.
Some friends in the belt (AKA Those who were in the category of caution) were using Skiffs with 75K EPH getting boosts with their bulk head tanked Orcas sitting off 0m from the a nearby station so they could quickly warp to it and dump there loads.
I saw a few Skiffs have the balls to bring out an indy and can mining yet no one was molesting them.
So this whole Ice Belt mining doesn't really seem to be stopping the flow of Ice.
Plenty of people still ice mining in non-skiffs and there was 1 gank for about 4 hours of watching.
So I can only assume the rise in Ice prices has something to do with market speculation because even though the belts may not have bot balls (which I think is maybe the nicest thing about this) but the belts are still being mined out and the ice is still flowing.
Which is just making the ice miners rich with the current prices. Whooptie doo. It's obvious that Goons mined a lot of Caldari ice, wanted to unload it for higher prices, and announced some sort of "interdiction" to drive prices up. Suprise! Prices went up and they likely dumped their ice reserved for significant profit.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4226
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:48:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So I had eyes on a Caldari Ice belt last night... Prime Time too.
Everyone is minding their own business for a an hour or two and then I finally see 4 catalysts pop a Mack. This is actually not that unsual for the system.
As my friends quickly snag all the loot, we wait for more of a show to happen.
Then a covertor shows up in the belt and for the rest of the night (probaly 2 hours) it mines away with impunity.
We were waiting for them to get concord to show up somewhere else by using an Ibis to pull them away, but sadly no one did anything for the rest of the night even after another belt spawned.
There were plenty of retreivers and mack shooting their lasers at the Ice roids.
Some friends in the belt (AKA Those who were in the category of caution) were using Skiffs with 75K EPH getting boosts with their bulk head tanked Orcas sitting off 0m from the a nearby station so they could quickly warp to it and dump there loads.
I saw a few Skiffs have the balls to bring out an indy and can mining yet no one was molesting them.
So this whole Ice Belt mining doesn't really seem to be stopping the flow of Ice.
Plenty of people still ice mining in non-skiffs and there was 1 gank for about 4 hours of watching.
So I can only assume the rise in Ice prices has something to do with market speculation because even though the belts may not have bot balls (which I think is maybe the nicest thing about this) but the belts are still being mined out and the ice is still flowing.
Which is just making the ice miners rich with the current prices. Whooptie doo. It's obvious that Goons mined a lot of Caldari ice, wanted to unload it for higher prices, and announced some sort of "interdiction" to drive prices up. Suprise! Prices went up and they likely dumped their ice reserved for significant profit.
Our space has Caldari ice.
Much more tinfoil-y and probably accurate is that there are large stockpiles of isotopes from before the ice patch which have been constantly dumped into various pockets. And hey, after a war it's time to go ganking.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
488
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:37:00 -
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Yeah, but that's Gevlon. If that guy had an intelligent thought his head would implode.
Go read his blog, he's being all original and starting his own miner ganking corp. Just coincidently, not like he's just jumping on the bandwagon or anything.
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