A goon talking about skill. I had to laugh.

I don't care what you think if you ever think at all.

Your posting habits prove otherwise.

I don't have any pets (in-game that is), and no, CFC are not goons. Even if you incorrectly label CFC as goons, they're still not more than half the server population no matter how you count, so you're still exaggerating to justify your decision to give up.

I don't particularly need to hope for something that is already true. What I am hoping for is that you're capable of taking in information and learning, but that hope is slowly waning as we speakGǪ

So why the lies? Who are you trying to convince with your obviously and hilariously wrong numbers?

How is the game skewed, and how is having fun with my friends in any GǣwarpedGǥ? It's kind of what well-adjusted human beings do, you knowGǪ but if you consider that warped, it would explain a lot.

CFC are not goons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)

lie moar.

CFC are not goons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)

lie moar.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)


RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkeyGÇÖs Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)

These are goons? My goodness...

So on the one hand, you're saying that they're bringing one more catalyst than is strictly necessary, and on the other hand, a ship that puts 3GÇô4 catalysts out of the fight is somehow GÇ£not a viable tacticGÇ¥? Of course ECM or logis are a worry, since they trivially tip the scale in favour of the gankee.

Correct.

A Gèé B Gëá B Gèé A

Love the propaganda.

Goonswarm Federation (CONDI)
RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkeyGÇÖs Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)

as you can see on the wiki.

Love how you take what I say out of context. Which is exactly anything you say means nothing.

Goons are a member of clusterfuck as posted on the wiki. Where is your proof?

The logistics boat perhaps. The ECM boat will need to have a very fast lock time and the pilot will need incredibly quick reflexes if they are going to jam a suicide ganking catalyst before the gank victim is blown up.

For some reason I'm reminded of fifth grade math.

"All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares"

There was that one kid with their finger up their nose and they just didn't get it.

Good times.

I have a juicebox and apple that I will trade for a snackpack. Any takers?

In other words its just a cost of doing business, not risk.

"omg suicide ganking does take some skilz!"

No, it really doesn't. It's all pre-calculated. Scan the ship first, warp in with one more catalyst than is strictly required (use a cloaked warp-to), blow them up and then dock up. Worried about ECM or logi? Why? It's not a viable tactic. Unless they baited you there, they are not going to have anything like that. As for people killing gankers, yea I do it myself if I can catch one. If you got caught then your a complete idiot.

How is that any different from getting into (insert ship here) that you are willing to lose and undocking to (insert pvp activity). It's a calculated cost of doing business. If there is risk associated with your pvp you are doing it wrong. With ganking, it's just a guaranteed cost where otherwise you might get lucky and make it back to dock.



Yup, it's dead easy. Undock, right click warp, lock, F1. Oh wait, that's mining.

Just scan the ship first - without spooking the prey.
But you can't just warp in you see. First you have to figure out how many to use. Hope he doesn't dock up and refit in the mean time. Sure you got the math right? It takes no skill. Just don't forget to include shield links. And armor links. And implants.
Then "just" warp in on a moving barge to your cloaked scout navigating between ships, drones and rocks. That part takes no skill either.

Then you get to lock and F1. Don't worry about that Falcon you never saw. You brought an extra catalyst. It will only jam out one.. per module. It doesn't even need SeBo's to lock a cat in 6 seconds. Your no skill math requires at least double that in dps time to get the kill.

Don't forget to get your pod out. It would suck making a couple mil split X+1 ways just to pay 5-10mil for a new med clone. Wait why the +1 again? Extra welp less profit and an extra share to split. I though the math is easy and there's no risk? Then why do you need to waste resources and bring an extra pilot in on it "just in case"?

clusterfuck = goons + Allies

No. There are not 250,000 goons in the game.

Stupid is as stupid does. Seems some don't actually play the game, they play symantecs on the forums.

clusterfuck = goons + pets

So you agree, then, that CFC is not the same as goons.

My proof is in the wiki and in the simple fact that one thing being a subset of another is not equivalent to the other being a part of (or the whole of) the one. The proof was right in the post you quoted: A Gèé B Gëá B Gèé A

Oh, and I didn't take what you said out of context. I was merely being kind and quoted the part you got right.


Oh, I don't know. Ewar ship tend to have fast lock times, and he needs luck more than quick reflexes, but that depends on how he chooses to spread the jams and what kind of ship he's in. A Rook with three SDAs will have a 100% jam chance against a non-ECCMed Catalyst (or with no SDAs if he overheats) so he could just go hog wild, and he should have 2s-ish lock times with a bit of sensor boosting.

Seems some don't actually play the game, they play symantecs on the forums.

So you agree, then, that CFC is not the same as goons.

Wow...you almost *get* goons.

Now, let's try to understand reddit. It's about posting cat pictures and image macros, right?

If you're using a throwaway alt then the only risk is one of a known cost if it all goes wrong. Simply put, there is only the cost of the ship you will lose in a suicide gank versus the unknown return in loot from the destroyed ship.

In other words its just a cost of doing business, not risk.

Now, let's try to understand reddit. It's about posting cat pictures and image macros, right?