A suicide gank is only a success if you actaully kill your target. There are chance for that to happen so your gank has risk.

Ok look, that was an obvious troll but still proves the point. Suicide ganking is most usually done for profit, but the only way to assign it as being risky, is if you don't consider doing it at all.

If you buy a ship for the sole purpose of knowing it's going to get blown up at a chance for profit (profit has risk!) then it leaves the realm of risk and enters the realm of cost.

You can still lose that ship for **** all results. There is a risk of that happening. That is a risk in ganking. Your time is also in the balance. It risk being wasted if you didn't actually kill your target.

No its risky because there is risk. You can mess up the gank, the target could have stabs, they could have a better than expected tank, they might have logi or ECM, the loot fairy might say no, your salvage ship might get attacked when you scoop the loot and you might get ganked trying to get the goods back to station.

Suicide ganking is infact rather more risky than most activities in high sec.



Oh so all of the risk magically goes away because you are willing to lose a ship?

Yes. It becomes a cost. an integer. A constant.

Are you trying to imply that if you win your ship doesn't get blown up?

Let me ask you something baltec, and I'll be honest and sincere here....

If you, while solo, take a catalyst, and shoot some unknown person out of the blue, is there a way for you to kill him while not losing your ship? [BY YOURSELF!]

So who do ganks fail if there is no risk then?




No because that's stupid.



Get a suspect timer on him or a killright or a wardec or trick them into low/null.

Although I have no idea what your trying to prove with this because it has nothing to do with the list of risks associated with suicide ganking. Those risks don't go away no matter what ship you are willing to sacrifice to concord.

willing to sacrifice to concord

So, you can only supercede not losing your ship by using an entirely different mechanic. I rest my case. Because can flipping is not suicide ganking is it?

THAT is why it's a cost!

So why are you bringing it up?



The risks I listed are still risks.

A suicide gank is only a success if you actaully kill your target. There are chance for that to happen so your gank has risk.

To prove a constant. It isn't a risk if you do not consider it anything more than a cost. If you think it's a risk of NOT losing your ship, you are not doing it right.

The risks you listed have nothing to do with the cost of the ship since you know it's going to get blown up no matter what. Anything else is supposition.

So tell me, is there a chance you might not get your ship blown up? No, you already answered that. So it isn't a risk, because risk is defined by chance. Certainty denotes "chance" and risk is based on uncertainties.

There is nothing uncertain about Concord which you yourself well know.

Sorry you feel the need to validate yourself to others as being skilled. You'd never convince me of it, and looks like many more see it as nothing more than mindless and void of any skill.

NPC alt scans the ship down.

Goon plugs the fit into EFT to calculate defense, and how many T1 Meta 0 Catalysts it will take to pop it.

Said NPC alt sits cloaked for warpin to target and make sure no one else is around to attack them.

Goons warp in, destroy the target and run back to their station and hide before anyone else comes along.

I can see a great amount of skill in this procedure. That is if you have none.

So because I am willing to lose my ship I will enjoy a 100% certainty that my target will die no matter what they and their support do, that everything on their ship will drop, that nobody will attack the ship I use to scoop the loot and that nobody can attack me as I transport it back to station to sell on?

You are honestly sticking with this argument?

Nono, please I'll rephrase it into something smaller and easier to figure out.

Because you are willing to lose your ship, you can guarantee that you will spend your ship as a cost to try to kill something.

It's pretty ******* simple dude. You know the ship is going to die as soon as you commit it. There is no risk of not losing it, you know you will lose it.

So what about the risk of not killing the target?

What about the risk of the loot not dropping?

What about the risk when scooping the loot?

What about the risk of getting ganked yourself when trying to get the loot to station?

What about any of that?

These are all the risks currently faced by suicide gankers in high sec. Suicide ganking is the most risky activity in high sec right now.

I had to laugh.

Go on then, name a more risky activity in high sec to do in ships.

Uh....ice mining during an "interdiction"?

These are all the risks currently faced by suicide gankers in high sec. Suicide ganking is the most risky activity in high sec right now.

Masterminds are another word that comes up all the time.
You keep hearing about these terrorists masterminds that get killed in the middle east.
Terrorists masterminds.
Mastermind is sort of a lofty way to describe what these guys do, don't you think?
They're not masterminds.
"OK, you take bomb, right? And you put in your backpack. And you get on bus and you blow yourself up. Alright?"
"Why do I have to blow myself up? Why can't I just:"
"Who's the ******* mastermind here? Me or you?"

Being a mastermind is all about getting other people to do the dying, that said, real life terrorism is an inappropriate subject for the thread at hand, pixels dying are nowhere near the same as people dying.

GǪso much like it being stolen (or not), assuming that it has dropped, you mean?

No. How about instead you prove that you actually know what you're talking about rather than presenting links that only show that you are aware of google.

Being a mastermind is all about getting other people to do the dying, that said, real life terrorism is an inappropriate subject for the thread at hand, pixels dying are nowhere near the same as people dying.