A few.

My favorate is the ones who jetcan mine and try to protect the can. Saves me a cat.

Well if there was a 50/50 chance then sure.

Still doesn't make the other risks with ganking go away though.

No, it's being sloppy. Risks are not measured in percent; risks are measured in the same unit as the cost.

What you meant to say is that GÇ£saying that 100% probability is a risk is being obtuseGÇ¥, which of course is wrong. Risks don't stop being risks just because p=1. Costs with a 100% probability are still risks.

0% probability of incurring a cost is also still a risk GÇö the value of that risk is zero.

A probability can still be a probability even if it's 1.0 or 0.0

Your ship going boom is only part of the outcome. Other parts such as "did the target also goo boom" and "did the loot fairy say yes" are also part of the outcome and not a fixed result every time. As such, there is always some risk involved in ganking becase the TOTAL outcome is uncertain until it's all done. If it was really 0 risk at all, you would know the complete outcome even before pressing F1.

Part of the result of flying a plane is that it will come down at some point. That does not mean it's riskless. It will come down at some point just like the gankship will go boom but the rest of the results such as, will it lose it's engine while in mid air, while not changing the fact that the plane will come down at some point are still undetermined until you did the flight.

The gank can still go both way even if the ganking ship explode. There is still a risk of it not going your way. You can minimize it but it will never really be 0 thus ganking in high sec DOES have risk in it.

Just about every gank is about the money not the killboard.

Several. Plenty of Black ops Battleships would live through ganks because they would jump out before concord got there. Which is now fixed of course.

You also used to be able to outrun concord. And there was the time when you could kill them outright as well. I am sure in the future something will be added to the game that some one will exploit to get out of concordian.

[You mentioned that iso 3000 earlier, please reread it.

A probability can still be a probability even if it's 1.0 or 0.0

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Did you mean ISO 31000:2009 though? (if talking Risk Management)

Good read (if you're into collecting Fungus, Spores and Mucus samples or can't sleep at night).

Carry on though .. had to say something because of profession and found your comment genuinely funny :O

I can think of quite a few reasons that is not true, as I'm sure you could if I were to say those words to you sir.

LMFAO

Did you mean ISO 31000:2009 though? (if talking Risk Management)

Good read (if you're into collecting Fungus, Spores and Mucus samples or can't sleep at night).

Carry on though .. had to say something because of profession and found your comment genuinely funny :O

It also doesn't change the fact that 100% chance of your ship blowing up is better defined as cost and not risk.

No, my argument was that it's still a risk even when p=1.

GǪand since costs are risks, it means your risk in the mission is much much lower.

So we all agree there is risk in ganking then.

No, It's a very easy to see fact. Outside of burn jita ganking is done for profit.

There is no profit in ganking scouts in noobships, although that can be argued, the prime reason for killing one is not for profit.

Or atleast, a LOT of noobships killed are never looted that I see when roaming across null. They are popped because they are alts, or because they do not belong in the same space I occupy, regardless if their hold is empty or full.

Now, YOU might only gank for profit, but meh, profit is definitely A reason to gank, but not the only reason.

It does when you're killing to kill. Or at least for the nature of "ganking".

You cant suicide gank in null.

You still have risks. You could still mess up the gank. You only know the results when it's all over. Before that there is risk of it failing because all the possible outcome are not in your favor.

There is no profit in ganking scouts in noobships, although that can be argued, the prime reason for killing one is not for profit.

Or atleast, a LOT of noobships killed are never looted that I see when roaming across null. They are popped because they are alts, or because they do not belong in the same space I occupy, regardless if their hold is empty or full.

Now, YOU might only gank for profit, but meh, profit is definitely A reason to gank, but not the only reason.

You only know the results when it's all over.

That's not the point. We are talking about the act of suicide ganking being a risk. It isn't. The risk is whether you kill the target or not. Whether you fail to gank, or succeed, your ship is lost for simply in trying.

It doesn't matter whether that target had 300 plex or gets away, your ship blows up no matter what. So it's a cost, and not risk.

The risk, comes from success, not the result of your ship. That's a cost. Atleast, CCP has kept changing Concord to make sure it has been (as proven by other people by making changes).

You still face the risk of your target being more tanked than you imagined for example. What if he has links/implants? What if a friendly logi arrive before you finish dps'ing him down? Those are all risk you face when ganking even if you don't do it for profit.

Oh no....you know at least one result before F1 is ever pressed. And it is a certainty.

It has a risk because the end result is not known. You might have a garantee of losing your ship but unless you can prove that all ganks always turns in favor of the gankers (they do not) then there are risk in ganking since it can fail.

None of that has any bearing whats so ever as to whether your ship gets blown up by Concord or not.

If Concord only killed you if you win, then it would be a risk. They kill you for trying. So its a cost.

You keep repeating the same thing over and over while not addressing the point.

Success and failure in regards to being a profitable suicide ganker has risks.

The act of suicide ganking does not. Pass or fail, you die. That ship death is the certainty. Profit has nothing to do with whether you die or not.

You only know parts of the results. Your ship will go boom. Will the other ship go boom? Will the enemy warp away before you finish him off? Will he fight back? Will he get reps from an incoming Logi? Will the loot fairy say yes? You don't know these until all is done and since part of it include your success or failure (did your target die), then there is risk since you can't confirm he will die unless you take the risk of shooting it.