1. This argument doesn't make any sense. Are you against the bubble immunity or would you rather it be a rig if it needed to exist. In rig form you're limiting the number of possible fitting combinations. Hush and enjoy the intercepting bonus lol

3. You know the game is in a sad state when people think like this. ANY good interceptor pilot (regardless of region) will tell you that these changes (in addition to the warp speed changes) are enormous boosts for fleet (big & small) or solo operations.

2. This isn't an awful idea, but we've already got this sort of thing for HICtors. IMO if something like the HICtor module were to be scaled down to frigate-sized combat, it would be for the Interdiction class and not something as fast and mobile as Interceptors.

1. This argument doesn't make any sense. Are you against the bubble immunity or would you rather it be a rig if it needed to exist. In rig form you're limiting the number of possible fitting combinations. Hush and enjoy the intercepting bonus lol

3. You know the game is in a sad state when people think like this. ANY good interceptor pilot (regardless of region) will tell you that these changes (in addition to the warp speed changes) are enormous boosts for fleet (big & small) or solo operations.

2. This isn't an awful idea, but we've already got this sort of thing for HICtors. IMO if something like the HICtor module were to be scaled down to frigate-sized combat, it would be for the Interdiction class and not something as fast and mobile as Interceptors.

What if interceptors were immune to warp scrambling, but lost a slot in exchange?

You can still web/disrupt/neut/jam them, but you can't disable their MWD.

Is there a reason gallente, the drone race are getting missiles as an optional weapon system instead of drones?

Nullified interceptors, nullified cruisers, covert cloaks on everything, depots, nerfing RSB's, nerfing HIC's (and then buffing them back), new cloaky SOE ships, nerfing remote sensor boosters, and more. We get it. CCP has a hard on for cloaky black ops stuff.

Do interceptors really need bubble immunity though? At 5k m/s they can fly through a 20km bubble in 4 seconds or more typically half of a 20km bubble in 2 seconds to get to a gate. With bonuses and snake implants that just gets reduced. Do interceptors really need the bubble immunity to catch ships they are chasing after the warp speed acceleration changes?

All of these changes just make it harder and harder and harder to kill gankers. Gankers already show up to the fight at a huge advantage typically with speed and damage type if they think ahead and use ammo that aims for the resist hole of their prey.

How about some new ways to stop null sec gankers for once? A deployable web bubble or a deployable anti-cloak bubble would go miles for gate camps. As it stands now just about anything can get through any gate camp that isn't cowwarrior. I avoided 15 TEST in a dinky throw away vagabond with an improved cloak. At a certain point you need to give some equal tools to the counter-black ops people.

all you have done here is prove you have no idea what you are talking about

40km lock range when you have a 36km point, can go 6kms^-1 heated and it takes a minimum of 2 seconds (server ticks) to lock and point a target is not enough

try actually flying an interceptor outside of EFT before you speak in balance threads about them, mr 34 lifetime interceptor kills

all you have done here is prove you have no idea what you are talking about

40km lock range when you have a 36km point, can go 6kms^-1 heated and it takes a minimum of 2 seconds (server ticks) to lock and point a target is not enough

try actually flying an interceptor outside of EFT before you speak in balance threads about them, mr 34 lifetime interceptor kills

I am NOW IN FAVOR OF REDUCED INTERCEPTOR LOCK RANGE.

Ares split weapon bonuses... two thumbs up!

Now, can you please go back and fix some of the other ships which had their split bonuses recently removed?

I'm a little dubious on some of these changes - mostly because other ships can still do things better. For example, the Taranis. That's apparently completely okay, with a slight EHP reduction even. However, what does the Taranis do that the Comet doesn't do better other than the bubble immunity?

Fleet interceptors seem quite well off apart from all interceptors in general needing more lock range. But this is a pattern repeated throughout with the combat interceptors - why use them over something else? The Raptor, as another example, also remains terrible. Partially, as noted, because the shield resist bonus is wasted on a ship that can't really afford to put on shield extenders without gimping itself.

With regard to your Raptor assumption. A "36(+10)" change to the Raptors powergrid would be significant. Provided you fit one medium shield extender and damage control. The Raptor would be capable of having around 7,500 effective hitpoints and apply at least 200 damage per second.

That's not nothing...

I suggest you try putting an MSE on, say, a Comet and seeing what results you get from a similar fit. Your range control from having an MSE with only three midslots is pretty bad if you're using blasters though.

Funny you say that. That's actually my police fleets were set up as. 2 - 4 shield-Comets exploding things on a regular basis was hella fun. We stopped rocking them after awhile though. It got boring... Started rocking Rail-harpies instead and we also took out that rail-raptor fleet.

[quote=Major Killz][quote=Arkenai Wyrnspire][quote=Major Killz][quote=Arkenai Wyrnspire]I'
They're pretty fun in fleets, yeah
But what does a Raptor bring that a shield Comet doesn't? The range bonus? I suspect there are better ships for railgunning as well.

Now the following will probably sound slightly hostile at times. Sorry about that, at least i liked the warp changes?

I hate just about everything here.. I don't even know where to begin.

Crusader has 2 midlots ergo it is **** no matter what else it does. Its like a ****** slicer with no range (And i'm pretty sure that even with the tracking bonus it still doesn't track as well as blasters.. and does less damage.. Why is scorch still the only thing lasers are good for?)

Maledictionnot absolutely awful but fittings are still a lot too tight if you want to actually fit a tank on it. There is a difference between meaningful fitting choices and needing to gimp the damn thing.

Raptor, 3 mids and shield tanking.. So either i don't fit a web.. Or i don't fit a tank? Great, that basically means that this will be a kiter 100% of the time. Well that is if you ignore the fact that ALL lml ships are better at kiting than this.

Crow Well i'm glad to see you're finally accepting that utility high slots are the worst slots.

Taranis fittings are still pretty awful.. I don't really see a point in the slight HP nerf seeing how its hardly overpowered as it is.

AresWhat the flying ****? like, i don't even know what to say... Why? like.. i don't even know... lml Ares... i hate this idea ALMOST as much as i hated t2 res marauders... Just.. Don't do this, its awful.. Also 30 powergrid.. I have a saved fit that has 0.5pg left over without any guns and a ******* festival launcher.. Just.. What the ****?

Claw Ok are you just ******* with me now? The claw.. a ship that gets bonuses to AC's.. has 45 PWG? So.. The Ares.. that uses blasters... where the smallest ones use 4 pg.. has 30.. But this.. that can use AC's that require 1 god damn powergrid has 45? No, this is not ok. You can't just give AC fitted minmatar INFINTE fittings so that they can use artillery.. Decrease the ******* stupid fitting gap between Arties and AC's so that a ship can fit Arties without having ALL the fittings with AC's

A Claw with a full rack of 200's will have 40 pg left over... meaning that with minor fitting implants you could fit a full rack of AC's.. and a 400mm plate.. Yes having only 2 midslots is terrible but unlike the Crusader this will actually have GOOD tracking.

(for those who are interested a Taranis with a full rack of neutrons has around 19.5 pg left over.. less than 50% of what the Claw will have.. And the Ares has even LESS.. I have no words.. really..)

Stiletto4 mids, still probably the best of the bunch when it comes to the general role of being an interceptor and it even has sensible fittings. I have no real problems with this one.

Oh and dont give in to the whiners, who wants more lock range.
They can fit modules/rigs. That should be enough.

Ares split weapon bonuses... two thumbs up!

Now, can you please go back and fix some of the other ships which had their split bonuses recently removed?

You dont think bubble immunity will make ceptors extremely OP? I mean they got the speed to get out of the bubbles anyway so it's not like they slow them down much.