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Hong Hu
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:56:00 -
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Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane... Not sure I like (or the Eos or the Nighthawk).
In fact the only one that I 'like' is the revolting, putrid, disgusting, patooey Amarr... (role playing, complete)
Would it kill them to just design a whole new hull? CCP did it for Stealth Bombers.
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Xilas Saissore
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:42:00 -
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Hong Hu wrote:Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane...
Hahahahahhahahhaha Slurricane thats awesome. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:43:00 -
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I find it greatly amusing how the change that, in the end, is the most minor and meaningless causes the most intensely heated reactions.
Meanwhile, Marauders are being changed to an extent that they barely resemble the ships they are now, and everyone's just like... "Okay", when in fact the Marauder changes are absolutely abysmal, and not a role that I personally think needs to exist right now. |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:11:00 -
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Krissada wrote:While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin. Why not wait and create an all new design?
Because the concept is that there isn't enough demand yet to justify a hull built from scratch. Plus hulls tend to be built around new types or numbers of weapon systems. So light modern navies you just modify a ship that has enough spare space and fittings to add in command features.
However, CCP departs from that model by adding command features without giving anything up (T1 style) or cramming it in by upgrading most systems technologies (tinier, more fititng generated, etc) and making command ships a T2 variation. The 3rd option (T1 style also) is to add-on extra space and features with kludged on additions to basic hull....in which case you should lose a comparable amount of speed and agility while keeping all other features of the original hull plus the new command features.
Since CCP is not likely to do any of those things given its ship-skills roadmap...I have to agree - time for a new hull all together. totally differnet hull in BC class.
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Zolian
Murderous Impulse
9
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:16:00 -
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The nighthawk looks far better as it is now. |
Cselle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Cselle wrote:Names:
No. Each Empire has nice naming schemes that match their ideologies, history, and personality. The current names are perfect for reflecting that. Throwing out the old names for no good reason, just to add generic faction names seems wrong to me. The names aren't changing. The post is identifying the hull and corp whose color scheme is being chosen.
I see, that makes more sense. but my opinions on the hull changes still stand. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:43:00 -
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Welp: I meant to post this in this thread, but posted in the previous linked thread instead:
Quote:I think this is pretty cool, although I'd almost be tempted to make the Sleipnir the Cyclone hull and the Claymore the Hurricane hull, just because I think a blacked-out Hurricane would look wicked cool. The Cyclone in Boundless camo always looked just fine to me, but I think the Cyclone in Core Complexion black looks flat and dated / boring for some reason. Just a personal thing. I guess a real solution would be to update the Cyclone model, which is really showing its age. That's a whole different story, though.
All in all, a cool and positive change IMHO.
Although:
Harvey James wrote:Fozzie.. any chance of changing the Vulture to Lai Dai or make ishukone paint scheme much more interesting half grey half light gold is a bit lame? ... pretty please
This. A thousand times this. The current Ishukone color scheme is just awful: bring back the old blue-grey camo theme in glorious v3 detail! |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
216
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:48:00 -
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So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
54
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:52:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down?
Why should CCP care about that? Go eff yourself and buy more stuff. *mindset prediction of CCP Fozzy* |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Disavowed.
10
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:44:00 -
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To be honest, the new nighthawk model looks like a women on her period has just straddled the hull and gushed all her red juices upon it. |
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SOL Ranger
SOL.
34
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:00:00 -
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Aglais wrote: You already have four battlecruisers that use large weapons! They're UTTERLY BROKEN and for the longest time, COMPLETELY PUT HACS OUT OF THE GAME FOR THE MOST PART.
That is a problem with the role and general properties granted to ABC's as well as the high prices of smaller quality/T2 ships, it has nothing to do with ABC's having large weapon systems.
ABC's were created as separate Meta Cruisers when I think CCP was actually looking for the role of a real BC, as in the regular BC's we already had but with large weapon systems instead, that is a Battlecruiser; Currently what we have are Heavy Cruisers(BC's) and some kind of highly mobile artillery(ABC's) and in the case of Talos, a Desteroider?
ABC's should be made into regular BC's with all the benefits and drawbacks that entails, at least most of them to make them feel like BC's of sorts. BC's and Command Ships should be given large weapon systems to correctly reflect their role and further differentiate them from their smaller cousins. That's how I feel about it.
Sorry for going off topic like this. |
Atreides 47
Atreides of Arrakis
13
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:07:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The plan is: Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server. WTF ! http://i.imgur.com/hpYJ8fBh.jpg - what idiot painted camo on basic Hurricane ?? You nuts. Hell, are you damn crazy obsessed with useless camo paint on space ships ? Make it custom model with features like old Vagabond and Sabre. More Minmatar wings or something. Well, Drake is just ugly piece of Kaalakiota now. Long Live the Fighters !
CCP and nerfs - http://i.imgur.com/MejTGfL.jpg |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1466
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:55:00 -
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I think we should all agree that the current ships look better
I might support the Abso if it was a more heavily plated version of the Harb hull but it looks weak as is.
The sleipnir/nighthawk change is down right sacrilegious, they look excellent as they are. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
179
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:58:00 -
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Here are the models if you'd like to see what they'd look like in 3d (You will need a WebGL compatible browser)
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193 500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs |
Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:08:00 -
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Yay for more hull diversity!
Can't wait for these... |
sabastyian
United Nations Space Coalition
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:24:00 -
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For the love of god, dont change the names.... most of us see the new hauler names and still have to look it up to see what it is. No t2 ship name has the t1 name in its name, why start with the command ships? I like the harbi idea, the cane looks as useless as you made it after your "re balance." The drake looks horrid, i dont know if i will even want to undock my nighthawks after this ( i love the ferox hull for command ships, it just looks better...beefier, it isnt a freaking plate ) and the myrm....looks like a myrm with dust on it.... |
BiggestT
Serenity. CORP. Diggers Inc.
64
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:27:00 -
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We said it before and will say it agian: BAD IDEA.
A) This thread and the last thread clearly demonstrate a divided opinion on this change (possible even net negative). Either make completely new models or don't bother, because you get no net benefit from this so it's a waste of CCP's time.
B) (often igonored but very important) This will affect industry significantly, now everyone has to change the BPOs that they are researching to pander to these stupid changes.
The drake has and always will be the most uninspired and boring design out there. The harbinger looks too phalical, and the new paint skins on the sleip and eos are just bland as all hell.
DON'T DO IT! |
Deimos Barret
OMGWTFBBQTIME I Know Right
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:45:00 -
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Heck. I've wanted something T2 on the myrmidon hull for longer than I can remember... so +1.
However,, I'd REALLY prefer a different skin. That one is so imperceptibly different from the T1 skin. Maybe Roden or Aliastra? The EOH labs for those look gorgeous. |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:59:00 -
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For the most part I really like the new Command Ship models. The Nighthawk especially looks amazing. However the models themselves seem to be identical to the tech-1 models. Many of the tech-2 ships have slightly altered models. More fins, a few extra engines, some spikes.
Adding a few extra engines to the Absolution and the Eos models, some solar-panel-fin-thingies on the Sleipnir, and a few more spikes to the Nighthawk, would models themselves a bit different from the tech-1 ones. Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:02:00 -
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Aglais wrote:I find it greatly amusing how the change that, in the end, is the most minor and meaningless causes the most intensely heated reactions.
Meanwhile, Marauders are being changed to an extent that they barely resemble the ships they are now, and everyone's just like... "Okay", when in fact the Marauder changes are absolutely abysmal, and not a role that I personally think needs to exist right now.
you call 250+ pages of heated discussion and sugestion how to fix them "everybody is just saying "okay" ????
you sir disqualified yourself....
people love their ship they fly and in im writeing here cause i fell this change upsets alot of people who care about their favorite ships .
ccp said they only would do it if most of the players wanted it.... so why the heck they never made a poll they just interpreted the earlier thread (who had clearly alot of people who disliked the changes) and said: "yeah we like it by oure definition most of you like it so were doing it anyway...." |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:50:00 -
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The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry. |
BiggestT
Serenity. CORP. Diggers Inc.
65
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:07:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time... |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:25:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:27:00 -
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BiggestT wrote:Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time...
I already did 30 pages of vote-tallying, thank you very much. Keeping track of who's posted multiple times, filtering out unresponsive replies and interpreting vague posts four times to make sure I understand which way they're voting is not something I'm keen on doing a second time. If it's important to you, then you can do it for yourself.
Rivr Luzade wrote: Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?
CCP Fozzie already answered this question. Go back and re-read the OP. Slowly. Start at the very beginning. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:28:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes?
this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand.
but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up???
i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane.
if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model)
but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support..... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:33:00 -
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Kane Fenris wrote:yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes? this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand. but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up??? i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane. if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model) but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support.....
Contrary to what you may believe, no resources were consumed or "wasted" to make this change. These versions of the ships already existed in the game files and until now simply have not been used. Making them look T2 instead of T1 is what will require resources. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:48:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kane Fenris wrote:yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes? this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand. but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up??? i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane. if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model) but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support..... Contrary to what you may believe, no resources were consumed or "wasted" to make this change. These versions of the ships already existed in the game files and until now simply have not been used. Making them look T2 instead of T1 is what will require resources. EDIT: Also, you are not a special snowflake. Why should Sleipnir and Nighthawk pilots who love the proposed changes and hate the current models have to suffer just because you want something the way you want it? Moreover, insisting to make an exception with "not hurting sleipnir pilots' feelings" as its basis is also ridiculous. Sleipnir pilots are not legendary heroes and they are not golden gods and they are certainly not special snowflakes any more than you are. Lose the self-entitled "woe is me, a bloo bloo bloo" and stop taking this personally. Contrary to what you may believe, this change wasn't done to mess with you personally or specifically to mess with sleipnir pilots.
im 110% sure the skins for the ships werent aready made before the original idea after navy ship release.... so there was tim spent on em bay desing team.... yoll need to show a proof saying somethin diffrent.
i refered to "sleipnir pilots" cause they are quite a few and love the ship and design not cause they are something better.... they are just the largest grp of command ship pilots affected by this and probably the most attatched to their ships.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:02:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:BiggestT wrote:Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time... I already did 30 pages of vote-tallying, thank you very much. Keeping track of who's posted multiple times, filtering out unresponsive replies and interpreting vague posts four times to make sure I understand which way they're voting is not something I'm keen on doing a second time. If it's important to you, then you can do it for yourself. Rivr Luzade wrote: Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?
CCP Fozzie already answered this question. Go back and re-read the OP. Slowly. Start at the very beginning.
He answered it in exactly the way it shouldn't be done: hasty, for the sake of making changes, and wasting valuable resources on this kind of unnecessary changes-way of doing it. That's not satisfying.
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Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:10:00 -
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I was actually quite shocked with the look of them in the beginning but after days i'm starting to warm to those new hulls quite a bit.
I feel bad though as the current ones looked really nice too and after this they would be gone... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:25:00 -
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What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it. |
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